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Don't know if it's been said yet, but Garth Ennis' Punisher Max Omnibus is being rereleased in June. I'm gonna pre-order soon
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Transmetropolitan and Preacher.
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I now shudder a the thought of anything I like getting an adaptation. Those two are nightmare scenarios for me, and Preacher already happened with that fucking show.
I learned that hard lesson long ago with Constantine, but it has been driven like a bullet into my fucking forehead over and over for the last couple decades
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I couldn't sit through the show. Preacher is supposed to be gritty and dark, both in humor and theme. The show was overdone. Tulip was of course a nigger. Cassidy didn't have that edge to him. Jesse felt like an afterthought. I heard Herr Starr wasn't done too bad to, but I just couldn't get any further to it.
I also heard The Boys turned faggy really fast, too.
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You may look back through the thread to find my big rant about it, but the jist of it is that I stuck around for 2 seasons out of curiosity, and because I like the actors for Jesse and Cassidy (if not the characters in the show) and a few things that they did right, like the introduction of the Saint of Killers. But the thing that just broke the camel's back for me was that they completely ruined Tulip's dad, a character and a story that you'd think these progressives would be happy to tell (a chauvinist macho asshole becomes a good man through raising a daughter and reflecting on the ways life is differently difficult for women). But no, either they couldn't bring themselves to show a "chud" character becoming "good", or their actual opinions of blacks shone through, because since Tulip got niggered, her dad got niggered too, and instead of the arc I mentioned, now he's a deadbeat criminal moron who just got out of jail and immediately gets into a shootout with cops and endangers his daughter.
I couldn't even finish the episode I was so angry.
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A better writer could have made a more interesting bit of drama with the hypocrisy, but eh, it makes sense since they had the league's C-listers present (without even Firestorm? lmfao.)
Honestly turning it into a sort of JLU-style thing would have been intriguing at the time given the rise in Earth-1 heroes (Outsiders, Forgotten Heroes, Titans becoming adults, Global Guardians, Doom Patrol returning). It would have been a more interesting use of the league for the Legends event instead of doing this bullshit. Show an exhausted JLU being stretched with bureacracy, the Crisis aftermath, and the shit that happened during Legends leading to a dissolution. Instead, we have had the Detroit league kinda just being an afterthought.
The fix is simple. Reveal that adult Jon is from a split timeline or sth and have him go to the Legion's future permanently. Keep kid Jon around in return. Have it be a little character moment where Kid Jon and older Jon have a talk where kid Jon learns that he doesn't have to turn into his older self.
They introduced a different Jess Chambers. . . when we hadn't seen the original in over a decade. Black Wally is kinda in a bad place due to the OG returning. Avery is whatever, but I wish they'd just shove her into a team book and forget about her.
Teen Lantern was that goofy brazilian kid, right?
Geoff Johns has got to be frustrated with all the mandates to series that he revived and reinvigorated. Hoping the JSA revival is readable. Same with the NEW GOLDEN AGE stuff.
(They killed Arisia again?)
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I think the comic was generally dogshit but the show has long since fallen for the siren call of lefty soy political pandering. It's also just drawn out to the point of retardation, it should have ramped up and hit a conclusion a season ago.
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See, I was pretty amped up about it because I was beyond burnt out from all the capeshit reboots, crossovers, and multiverses. Ennis being in the project was also a big sell for me. I enjoyed the books but after being burned by Preacher's show, I avoided any other show from comics I enjoyed.
As an aside, I've been a pretty avid collector but just can't find the heart for it anymore as I genuinely feel that anything after N52's launch in 2011 has just been woke crap with lazy writing and horrible art.
Hot take but most Ennis stuff degenerates to dogshit. The television show was better than the comics.
* Ennis rabid atheishit beliefs led to him constantly writing cringe strawman Christians. Which hurts story telling beyond his faggy cry-a-thons when it comes to faith. Supposedly a central figure, Starlight is a very devout Christian. Her faith and Butcher's, Ennis insert Britbong wank character insert, militant atheism could provide an amazing source of dramatic tension and fascinating interaction. Instead, in the perfect example of stupidity, Ennis has Starlight reject Jesus because something bad happened and the world is shit.... Compare this to the television show, where Christian hypocrisy is cringely pointed to; but Starlight and Milk have fantastic interactions with Atheist/agnostic Huey/Butcher. It even provides Starlight a season arc instead of her just being Huey's pet supe in the comic.
* Ennis doesn't really do plot. He's better in small, tight arcs. I remember Preacher started to meander at the end, the boys was even worse. The Homelander was pretentious and boring in the comic versus being enthralling in the first season or two of the show. The show also went deeper, where in the comic Butcher is a two D cunt with zero ever challenging is paper thin revenge goal; the show humanizes him while keeping to his cunt character. The story is overall better until season three, when it implodes....
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Peruvian or Bolivian, I think.
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Yeah, having an overarching story doesn't really work well for Ennis. It kind of did with Punisher Max but that's because it wasn't really the main plot, just the result of previous stories. The generals causing a shit storm in Mother Russia meant they had to take out Frank and used Rawlins for it, only for that to backfire and lead to Castle having evidence on them. So now Rawlins goes to the Russians, which leads to the Man of Stone arc, which leads to Long, Cold Dark, which gave the Generals no choice but to send a team after him in Valley Forge, Valley Forge, ending the entire story. But each book, for the most part, worked as a self-contained story.
It's why I preferred Ex Machina to Y The Last Man. By the fifth volume of Y, every plot point set up is resolved, and for the rest they have to go to Europe, which leads to a bunch of useless filler arcs. Ex Machina of the other hand was stand alone plots in each book with the overarching mystery of what Hundred did that got him elected. When you have a firm ending for your story in place, you need to get to it or make something interesting enough that people don't care about the filler.
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I had written a scenario on this thread years ago where Jon Kent Superman goes "Injustice" after his boyfriend got fridged and comes into conflict with Amanda Waller, which resulted in his death via a Kryptonite bullet. IIRC, it would have been revealed that this Jon was from another timeline brought over to Earth-0 by the Time Trapper as some byzantine revenge plot for his defeat in Legion of Three Worlds with the original Jon lost in the multiverse.
Hindsight being 20/20, I mostly wrote it out of spite for Tom Taylor, who I find an arrogant and overrated hack.
Geoff Thorne wrote the 2021 Green Lantern series, not Johns, and turned out to be an angry asshole for the short time I followed him on Twitter. The New Golden Age is readable, but mostly centers on a new Huntress who is the alternate timeline daughter of the Earth-0 Batman with the rest of the team being barely an afterthought. Interestingly, the Pre-New 52 version of the Legion of Super-Heroes cameoed in the fifth issue.
Arisia "died" when the Central Power Battery exploded, but ended up reappearing alive and well in a group shot in Dark Crisis. DC seems to want to forget the broad strokes of Green Lantern (2021), but kept some elements. Notably the disappearance of the Guardians and the United Planets taking over the Green Lantern Corps. The new series established that the UP quarantined Sector 2814 with Hal Jordan and John Stewart quitting the Corps in protest.
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The Detroit era of the JLA was entirely due to the fact that Teen Titans and Legion and Batman and the Outsiders were outselling JLA by huge margins. JLA never really recovered from the departure of Perez as interior artist (and the backlash where they kept having Perez do covers for a year afterwards while having dog shit art in the insides) and the character ruining retcon that Roy Thomas forced onto JLA regarding Black Canary being her mindless and cursed daughter imprinted with her mind by Johnny Thunder in secret (all because Thomas was pissy that Canary was older than Green Arrow).
The Detroit League was widely reviled when it came out and not even sticking Batman in it as a Hail Mary could save it. Vixen and Steel were the least hated while Vibe/Gypsy were despised. Sadly, in a bit of SJW bullshit, they ended up killing the male new members (Vibe and Steel) and keeping Vixen/Gypsy alive while at the same time, having Steel killed a second time in the JLI run for shits and giggles while sparing Gypsy.
But the whole thing was a huge failure because it was explicitly an attempt to cash in on the young 20-something hero movement DC was riding at the time by fans even though, DC and the writers were pulling the excuse that it was done "purely to deal with factors outside their control with the Big Guns" (though at the time, only TWO of the Big Seven were yanked because of their own books; Hal Jordan due to him being sent off into space for a year and Flash for his never ending murder trial arc) rather than admit what everyone and their mother saw was the real reason: they wanted JLA to be more like the Titans.
And that's not even touching DC aping the rape of Ms Marvel with what they did to Zatanna in the last year of the title before the JLI reboot: having her be tortured/experimented on by a mad scientist who believed magic was genetic not something you learn and having Zatanna, after being freed, running off with the madman who kidnapped her for reasons that made zero sense ala Carol running off with Marcus.
Both the comic and TV show are dogshit but the TV show is a special shade of abomination that it single handedly redeemed the comic in it's own warped way.
1. They completely fucked up the dynamic of the Seven because they refuse to make a black guy a villain, to the point that Hughie full on forgave his girlfriend's murderer AND the fact that they made Deep (the only "good " person in the Seven) a rapist because we can't have a black guy as a rapist let alone a murderer and keep shitting on him again and again because he's a white guy.
2. Utterly fucking up the Black Noir/Homelander arc to the point of nullifying the ending because the asshats are pissy at Trump. The whole point of Homelander is that he's a super detached unknowing Silver Age Superman type who's been gaslit by Black Noir into becoming a monster and a horrible being, purely so Black Noir can get his masters to give the order to kill him.
3. In the process of making Butcher likable, they made him a pathetic cuckold and destroyed his entire motivation for hating super heroes. Comic Butcher was a piece of shit, but he didn't screech "my wife's son" and run around incompetently like TV Butcher.
4. Being chickenshit with killing minorities and women. Maeve in particular; refusing to kill her basically destroys the payoff to her storyline where she died fighting Homelander and proving herself a good person in her final act, giving her life so that Starlight could escape.
And let's not forget taking the characters from an arc where Not-Professor X is a pedophile and running a sex cult and turning them into a wacky college super-hero spin-off that removes all references to the head of the school being a child molestor and double down on white male bashing.
The comic had it's own problems but at least it made sense and didn't repeatedly castrate itself to the current year bullshit and anti-white male bashing.
The Detroit League was widely reviled when it came out and not even sticking Batman in it as a Hail Mary could save it. Vixen and Steel were the least hated while Vibe/Gypsy were despised. Sadly, in a bit of SJW bullshit, they ended up killing the male new members (Vibe and Steel) and keeping Vixen/Gypsy alive while at the same time, having Steel killed a second time in the JLI run for shits and giggles while sparing Gypsy.
But the whole thing was a huge failure because it was explicitly an attempt to cash in on the young 20-something hero movement DC was riding at the time by fans even though, DC and the writers were pulling the excuse that it was done "purely to deal with factors outside their control with the Big Guns" (though at the time, only TWO of the Big Seven were yanked because of their own books; Hal Jordan due to him being sent off into space for a year and Flash for his never ending murder trial arc) rather than admit what everyone and their mother saw was the real reason: they wanted JLA to be more like the Titans.
And that's not even touching DC aping the rape of Ms Marvel with what they did to Zatanna in the last year of the title before the JLI reboot: having her be tortured/experimented on by a mad scientist who believed magic was genetic not something you learn and having Zatanna, after being freed, running off with the madman who kidnapped her for reasons that made zero sense ala Carol running off with Marcus.
Both the comic and TV show are dogshit but the TV show is a special shade of abomination that it single handedly redeemed the comic in it's own warped way.
1. They completely fucked up the dynamic of the Seven because they refuse to make a black guy a villain, to the point that Hughie full on forgave his girlfriend's murderer AND the fact that they made Deep (the only "good " person in the Seven) a rapist because we can't have a black guy as a rapist let alone a murderer and keep shitting on him again and again because he's a white guy.
2. Utterly fucking up the Black Noir/Homelander arc to the point of nullifying the ending because the asshats are pissy at Trump. The whole point of Homelander is that he's a super detached unknowing Silver Age Superman type who's been gaslit by Black Noir into becoming a monster and a horrible being, purely so Black Noir can get his masters to give the order to kill him.
3. In the process of making Butcher likable, they made him a pathetic cuckold and destroyed his entire motivation for hating super heroes. Comic Butcher was a piece of shit, but he didn't screech "my wife's son" and run around incompetently like TV Butcher.
4. Being chickenshit with killing minorities and women. Maeve in particular; refusing to kill her basically destroys the payoff to her storyline where she died fighting Homelander and proving herself a good person in her final act, giving her life so that Starlight could escape.
And let's not forget taking the characters from an arc where Not-Professor X is a pedophile and running a sex cult and turning them into a wacky college super-hero spin-off that removes all references to the head of the school being a child molestor and double down on white male bashing.
The comic had it's own problems but at least it made sense and didn't repeatedly castrate itself to the current year bullshit and anti-white male bashing.
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I agree with the second bit, Ennis writes flavour of the week stories, he trained himself to write serialized issue stuff and loves reading the same considering the stuff in Battle Picture Weekly, Commando and the like. I also agree with the dogshit part especially as of late, hes doing too much for contract shit and none of its great, very par for the course. People are praising that single Peacemaker issue but from the first page onwards you can see everything in it coming from a mile away.
When it comes to the Christian part, I disagree, Ennis might hate christianity and be a cringe atheist but he is much more nuanced than other British writers, say Pat Mills. Pat Mills and John Wagner, to a lesser extent Moore and Gaiman, they will always make christcucks the evil people or make christianity seem like a cult (Despite being Pagancucks and worshipping nonsensical native american gods or Pagan Norse Greek entities or fucking Snake gods) cause organized religion is always a cult full of pedophilia violence oppression and whatnot, basically scientology. Nemesis the Warlock in fact has Torquemada and the Terminators as a standin for the catholic church, even evoking the spanish inquisition, the KKK and the Spanish Capirote at times. Be thankful Ennis at least makes Starlight a good person, her rejection of religion makes sense within the context of the story cause she has left the small town and her idealized version of Superheroism is being brutally broken down by the Seven and Corporate exploitation of the Superhero Image. If you know small town people moving to the big city, part of the process is that they believe religion is the guiding force in their lives and most of their trials and tribulations are a result of Jesus or whatnot. So it makes sense Starlight rejects Christianity cause the unexpected brutal actions and events she is subjected to makes her believe in organized religion/fate less and less cause god wouldnt punish devout repentant people in the christians view, especially the undeserving.
The pet supe point is just completely unrelated and a bit stupid, the point of Huey and Starlight's relationship is to highlight
A. The two people from opposite sides of the aisle coming together in shared alienation trope
B. The fact that despite their horrible experiences and the horrible world they live in, people can still love each other and create something wholesome worth living for instead of letting the horror of the outside world paint their character, which is a really good moral for someone coming from the 2000AD clique cause most people who are from that clique always tend to push very depressing bleak and downright abhorrent morals
C. That women can be empowered, have everything they want and still desire a normal relationship with a subpar man which is something I think is a good thing
Yes she has less agency wrt the events pertaining the Boys and the Seven but it isnt as bad as you are portraying it is, she has enough agency to still make her feel like an authentic character. Shes not a girlboss or some revenge filled exploited woman who wants to lash out like a wild animal, which is unfortunately the modern standard for empowered female characters.
In fact a really good illustration of the humanizing tendencies of Ennis is from Dear Becky, where he portrays a troon character as sympathetic and possibly even human at times. Generally for progressives to portray troon characters and bigotry they will make it as black and white as possible but in Dear Becky the troon is ugly, he is very abhorrent even but he is aware of that, even if hes supposed to be a troon he still calls himself he at points. He doesnt lash out or demand things of other people, generally accepts neutrality or non acceptance as something average or normal, even is good friends with Hughie despite Hughie clearly being on the fence about a childhood friend of his from his hometown becoming a troon. Same thing happens in Jimmys Bastards where strong empowered negressa froths at the mouth initially about taking down Jimmy, the james bond esque slightly misogynist womanizing secret agent. But towards the middle she says even if he is all of the bad things she thinks is bad, he wasnt evil or a villain as she thought he was but was in fact one of the most talented people working in the spy industry whose work was crucial to the industry and that he was a very good man. If it was Alan Moore, he would make Jimmy a deranged lunatic like Rorschach who might as well become the comics final boss. Ennis at the end of the day is still a progressive but he wants to see the good in people and he almost always does, he might be an atheist but he can understand why christcucks are christcucks which is much better than anybody else in the modern world. He may not be the best writer but is a good writer and a good person, ethically and thats all that matters at least to me.
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@MirrorNoir obviously I disagree. That other stuff came in, sure. But I'd take a 3 dimensional Butcher who has his stupid vengeance quest challenged and faces real opposition over the Gary Stu cunt Ennis used as a self insert fantasy.
To be sure, I dislike the woke, but the fact that they fleshed out characters and made them despicable, but human; is a testimony to how bad the Boys comic and Ennis is in general. One of his few redeeming graces is making every character horrible, but human and the Boys is an egregious case where, outside of Huey, most of the characters aren't terribly well made.
@Georgio Cocklord I don't know that I can do justice to your disagreement, though I don't agree. I'll sit on it and think before giving a response.
To be sure, I dislike the woke, but the fact that they fleshed out characters and made them despicable, but human; is a testimony to how bad the Boys comic and Ennis is in general. One of his few redeeming graces is making every character horrible, but human and the Boys is an egregious case where, outside of Huey, most of the characters aren't terribly well made.
@Georgio Cocklord I don't know that I can do justice to your disagreement, though I don't agree. I'll sit on it and think before giving a response.
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Fair. I will point this out though, Ennis didnt use Butcher as a self insert fantasy, Butcher is supposed to be a Punisher analogue but he is much more complex. The best I can describe Butcher from my pov is him being equivalent to Walter White. He is fundamentally a good person on the inside but his lust for vengeance and puritanism gets the better of him like how Walter starts out doing it for cash but ends up slowly corrupted by the money and power. His goals start out noble but towards the end he basically self destructs and goes full puritan before ultimately asking Hughie to kill him in an act of self sacrifice and to sort of end Hughies training tenure with The Boys giving him one final lesson of how not to be like himself, how not to let his worst tendencies get the better of him. I think it is intentional on Butchers part, the self destruction, the fact that he kills The Boys because they represent an extension of himself and his mistakes him being Team leader and all, so there will always be supers and vigilantes in a post supers world reminding him of his failures. I dont believe the "oh he got consumed by vengeance" bit too much cause he is the most lucid and foresighted person in the entire series, he mustve definitely known how everything was going to play out after he kills all supes. Its a very classic illustration of "The Revolution losing the Cause" where whenever a movement wins so to speak they start infighting and destroying each other out of puritanism. But since Butcher is fundamentally a good person he lets Hughie go cause Hughie is the purest person among The Boys character wise and Butcher knows that Hughie will go on to lead a very normal happy life which is what he wanted since the start. I like The Boys, I think its very well written with minor dips at the end, one of the best Ennis offerings.
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Not that I'm trying to trying to defend that story, but it was getting increasingly unrealistic that Black Canary could still be in her physical prime despite having been active since 1947. Assuming that she was around 21 during her first appearance, she would've been in her late 50s to 60s by the eighties. Thankfully, the Post-Crisis status quo made the daughter a truly distinct character.
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Meh, that's more a problem with the comics lasting so long than anything. Like how the Punisher was a Vietnam vet so he'd be in his seventies by this point, but is still young. Nick Fury and Dugan fought in WW2 with Captain America but are still young (I think they explain it as Fury taking an immortal elixer or something). Black Widow was a cold war Russian spy who defected. Deathstroke was also a 'Nam vet and was old enough to have teen children.
Personally I've never been a fan of comics like early Marvel or Hellblazer where they're supposed to be happening in real time because then the characters age too quickly. At this point, Bruce Wayne would be 120 and still running around in a Bat suit. Nah, it's okay to play loose with the timeline.
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Does anyone know where i can download comic books? i heard the first run on Nightwing in the 90s is fantastic.
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Getcomics is probably your best bet. I also use Libgen.li there's a lot of comics and manga there and stuff.