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Love Captain Atom when he's written properly. I love that book too(goddamn that art nice), but that president could well be reacting to the Coup D'Etat era where the previous US leader used captured multiversal tech in Florida to fuck around with shiftship door tech and accidently caused an incident with a species of giant aliens and their ship crashed and leveled most of the state. The Authority was a reaction to superheroes trying to do things by the book/under the rules/by committee, and it always ended up with a bullshit result. When they took over the United States by force, it turned out they're shit leaders as well. But it did make the people in charge realise they have someone out there that can wafflestomp them right down a showerdrain.
Cap, being from the DC universe, has the benefit of knowing a world where myths are accepted as mysterymen, contrary to Marvel where distrust is the first reaction, and Wildstorm, which was somewhere between the two and where everything is felt through a lens not unlike XFiles. Conspiracy was in most of the original stories. Things worked out there, more often than not. DC had its' share of tragedy, but until Identity Crisis it wasn't needlessly dark most of the time. It was a hopeful universe, overall.
I read through the entire Wildstorm line. It was at best Mediocre-to-Shit until Ellis showed up and made Stormwatch something more than a combination GIJoe/Xmen wannabe Justice League. It was at times borderline unreadable. Once he showed up, his flaws came with him, but it turned the wildstorm universe into a consistently interesting, genuinely "Large As The Big Two" thing it always tried to be. I remember Sigma. Union. Fire From Heaven. Wetworks. Team 7. DV8. Deathblow. Gen13. Stormwatch. Wildcats. Cybernary. Planetary. Authority. Sometimes they had great stuff like Sleeper, but mostly it didn't become awesome until later. Ellis has plenty of stupid shit he's done and put in his books, but he was a definite benefit to that line as a whole.
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“You’re a psychotic twerp Banner and you just added two-thousand lives to your rap sheet.”
Ultimate Cap had that Walter Sobchak “Fuck that, fuck you” energy in the face everything. His fight with the Colonel is one of the best Ultimate moments,
“No jokes Abdul.”
Ultimate Cap was awesome till the end, Captain America by way of Clint Eastwood. His contempt for money-men and the surviving politicians of post-fracturing America was inexorably based
His new iteration fortunately is looking to be just as based, doing the whole “Last Patriot” schtick.
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You mean the current 616 run or the new Ultimates?
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I think Wildstorm being edgier was interesting but poorly managed/executed. Feel like Jim Lee dropped the ball somewhere on the greater story he was trying to tell.
Majestic was an interesting take on Superman-esque characters though. I did like him to an extent.
I think Wildstorm was heavy into the G.I. Joe-X-Men vibe early on and I recall almost nothing about stuff that wasn't Planetary/Authority and that one series about a town full of retired superheroes/villains.
My issue with Wildstorm was just that the initial deal with the demon aliens and angel aliens never felt like it got properly resolved. But then we had Planetary which I felt belonged in its own separate deal.
Ultimate Cap was dope and I loved how he went out.
Hell he'd probably have a drink with his mainstream counterpart and evil Steve, but still wind up punching evil Steve while trying to make some point to the OG Cap.
Honestly tired of all the super-soldier shit in comics but Cap's just fun.
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I mean yeah, but that US leadership (and Coup Detat is one of those retard ball things where you had to make the opposition super retarded to justify the conceited technocrat elitism inherent in the Authority/Ellis' vision.)
Ignoring that retarded concept and execution, Coup Detat unintentionally undermines itself without meaning to proving Brubaker's limitations. As for the leaders, they were elected, by the people, which is more than 'someone that can waffle stomp them' which is might makes right. it's all well and good until you get to Darkseid. Because might makes right, right? Speaking of, one thing I would have been interested in is John Byrne or Walt Simonson pitting Ellis superfags against Darkseid. That would have been nice.
Wildstorm is different. In DC people are logical and trust heroes who, with a few exceptions, earn their trust. Marvel universe people are dummies who hate heroes. But ultimately, people in the MCU make the decisions, hence Norman Osborn, head of shield....
In Ellis' brand of it, people are incests and troglodytes to be crushed if they offend the authority that be....
Ellis was post Moore/Robinson et al. he came in and wrote Stormwatch. his story goes he did the book, it sold TERRIBLY. He felt so terrible after two years were the book and Ellis were a charity project by the Wildstorm editors that he got with Bryan Hitch and for one year with Authority wrote commercially accessible stories.
Honestly I never took to the Authority. I'm trying to look back on it as anything other than an angry liberal who hates Superhero comics doing every trope with at the time hitch's art carrying the series?
It's just, other's did better stuff? Deconstruction? Adam Warren and John Arcudi both deconstructed better on Gen13? Corporate 'the world is a shit hole heroes should be better?' Joe Casey did that and better in Wildcats. You mentioned Sleeper, but long after Ellis went to hack it up over at Marvel for a paycheck, Wildstorm was putting out these great little cult hits and quality misses.
I guess I just resent how we are still getting Ellis and his shitty cynicism resurrected in 2024. I felt the same way about them bringing those awful Alan Moore characters like Tom Strong and Promethea back six or seven years ago? Why are we rummaging through the bottom of someones rubbish and taking garbage out acting likes its treasure?
I mean yeah, but that US leadership (and Coup Detat is one of those retard ball things where you had to make the opposition super retarded to justify the conceited technocrat elitism inherent in the Authority/Ellis' vision.)
Ignoring that retarded concept and execution, Coup Detat unintentionally undermines itself without meaning to proving Brubaker's limitations. As for the leaders, they were elected, by the people, which is more than 'someone that can waffle stomp them' which is might makes right. it's all well and good until you get to Darkseid. Because might makes right, right? Speaking of, one thing I would have been interested in is John Byrne or Walt Simonson pitting Ellis superfags against Darkseid. That would have been nice.
Wildstorm is different. In DC people are logical and trust heroes who, with a few exceptions, earn their trust. Marvel universe people are dummies who hate heroes. But ultimately, people in the MCU make the decisions, hence Norman Osborn, head of shield....
In Ellis' brand of it, people are incests and troglodytes to be crushed if they offend the authority that be....
Ellis was post Moore/Robinson et al. he came in and wrote Stormwatch. his story goes he did the book, it sold TERRIBLY. He felt so terrible after two years were the book and Ellis were a charity project by the Wildstorm editors that he got with Bryan Hitch and for one year with Authority wrote commercially accessible stories.
Honestly I never took to the Authority. I'm trying to look back on it as anything other than an angry liberal who hates Superhero comics doing every trope with at the time hitch's art carrying the series?
It's just, other's did better stuff? Deconstruction? Adam Warren and John Arcudi both deconstructed better on Gen13? Corporate 'the world is a shit hole heroes should be better?' Joe Casey did that and better in Wildcats. You mentioned Sleeper, but long after Ellis went to hack it up over at Marvel for a paycheck, Wildstorm was putting out these great little cult hits and quality misses.
I guess I just resent how we are still getting Ellis and his shitty cynicism resurrected in 2024. I felt the same way about them bringing those awful Alan Moore characters like Tom Strong and Promethea back six or seven years ago? Why are we rummaging through the bottom of someones rubbish and taking garbage out acting likes its treasure?
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I have never read a Captain American book that isn’t neoliberal whining that makes me want to find and force the author to get raped by a feral pack of niggers with AIDS. I hate the character as a whole due to being FDR ballwashing.
It’s like how i silently hope that Garth Ennis gets beaten by old IRA Provo’s one day when he writes something about war.
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The new Ultimates Captain America, who’s hinted to be a Rebirth Superman sorta deal where he is reality’s corrective measure.
He went out of his way to rescue and repair his oft-mentioned friend, Jim Hammond.
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Nothing would make me happier than Ennis getting an Irish car bomb.
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That governments leadership was retarded, and it seemed to be a reflection of the fact that we live in a world of Might Makes Right. Eventually the Authority learned they were poor leaders and that taking away freedom ultimately doesn't solve much, but up until they intervened, that world was on a path to extinction that even Majestic and The High combined would've had trouble with. Oh, but maybe Stormwatch- riiiiight. The US in that world didn't pay its' dues and Stormwatch was as dead as the Xenomorphs they'd shuttled into the Sun. RIP Winter. Well, maybe Wetworks could've dealt with the problems the United States had brought down on the planets' head in that situation. Or maybe the Authority could've stepped in, handed those aliens the president that made the call, then stepped out and left control to his underlings. They were elected and had no hand in the situation, after all. The Authority was simply a reaction by the characters to the previous shit sandwiches they'd been forced to eat time and time again. Jack went from semi-pacifist investigator weirdo to a guy ready to kill people if it meant more people would be spared in the long run. He made a shitty leader too, eventually.
Marvel people don't hate heroes, they just don't inherently trust them like people in the DC books do. Wildstorm seemed a mix of the two, leaning more toward all your conspiracies are true, in some fashion. It wanted to create a history that seemed as big as the others in 1/10th of the real world time, and early on it was having trouble with that, tho it did establish a foundation. Sigma shows up and provides the world with Gen Factor, the aliens have their longrunning war and create hybrids, the comet went over the planet in the 60s and created that brand of enhanciles, the Virus Weapon shunted from Sliding Albion ended up mutating a bunch of Bongs somewhere between the 60s and the 90s, alien/multiversal technology is used to create cybernetic bipedal weapons platforms, etc.
Robinson wasn't bad, Joe Casey was pretty good and Moore made Wildcats into something I was excited for the next issue for, for all his silliness and perversion elsewhere. Ellis didn't help Stormwatch sales early on, but why would anyone buy those books just because he was on it with issue 37 or whatever? Until then it wasn't very good at all. He was an unknown, unless he did DV8 before. I'm unsure of the chronology there. I read the interview where he felt bad about the sales as well, I just don't blame him. Stormwatch was a crap book before he arrived. Bendix as a good guy was boring and flavorless; Bendix as a control-hungry piece of shit was interesting. I don't remember if it's in the Team One book or somewhere else, but I remember reading theories about Thinktank damaging his personality. Later they'd retcon in some shit about him meeting an alternate reality version of himself and deciding to swap places(that really didn't work well in the story for Kaizen Gamorra and John Colt, but hey, I guess we'll try it again so Midnighter can kill him twice or something) but him trying to kill Sparks on the space station was neat.
Warren was great, and I liked Arcudis' work as well. Joe Casey did some amazing Wildcats, too. Wildcats 3.0, Sleeper, Planetary, Mr Majestic and Welcome To Tranquility were my favorite books from WS. But I remember downloading and reading the entire thing from when it was part of image until Shattered and it was under Ellis that a lot of the best ideas really took off. I don't care that he's a libtard, that just means I don't want to meet him. And given that his career's in the toilet, I don't think I have to worry about seeing him on anything any time soon.
I like the art on Tom Strong, but the book itself got old in short order.
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This page stilll cracks me up, especially Reed breaking his stoic act to help Tony restrain a boomer having a boomer moment.
This new Ultimate universe is so far pretty good, Ultimates is my drink of choice but the next series has my interest (FF) and they’re teasing the Immortal Weapons, so this universe’s goal of fixing characters who’ve been fucked with might be helping the abused Iron Fist fans.
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Tom Strong got really wanky with the "le comic book trick imagery" stuff. like the card becoming part of the panel and stuff like that
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Don't you know Irish people are invulnerable to car bombs? It's like, in their DNA.
I kinda wish they made a comic accurate Preacher TV show.
I'm not the individual quoted...
Look, if you lived in the 40s and grew up either a poor ethnic or in the South, you were a big New Dealer. There's a reason for all that.
Fast forward, Cap starts falling apart when spoiled boomers and Gen Xers who never fought a real war or went through that kind of economic shitslog start equating that pragmatic acceptance of the New Deal with liberalism of the current day or trying to transplant it. Hell, that's the point. Stan Lee had Steve, a WWII guy teleported to the 60s where he was very, very out of place.
And suddenly I like you allot....
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But you have to frame them as the worst retards to make it work. Even then, the concept in Coup Detat self defeats. Ultimately it just seems to shrug dumbly and say be good or we beats you up..
My opinion is they do? I mean, maybe they're just all morons? Spider-man, X-men, etc. The made the crazy goblin guy head of national security, supported a crazy dude to make genocide robots, and that's just those two.
When Jim Lee and Brandon Choi were looking to write stuff, they created allot of stuff that interested them. Jack Lynch, Cray, et al. Ultimately, Wildstorm's people were supposed to, initially be normal people.
Robinson and Moore were just fun. At a time when the Avengers wore jackets and the Justice League was murdering Ice. Joe Casey's run was everything Ellis gets praised as. transgressive, relevant, asking unique questions and pushing uneasy answers. It never became simple wish fulfillment until the very end.
Well was on the book with Tom Raney for more than a year. It sold terribly, worse than other titles. My point was more Bryan Hitch carried a pretentious twat like Ellis over the finish line.
They're most all libtards. I just don't think his Authority was any good and Planetary was very mediocre.
Thanks to this I went back and refreshed my memory. Stormwatch was initially average, before his plots ended at 50. then the reboot mostly bored the fuck out of me. The Wildcats/Aliens crossover is good, but that's just more frustrating cause it shows he can write, if he wants.
he wrote two decent Gen13 annuals. The first is blah, the second a solid hit. He wrote 6 issues of DV8. It's also a solid hit. After that?
He did Planetary, blah and carried by John Cassaday, He did some other shit, global frequency.
That's ABC for the most part? Moore recycling scripts from his time with Awesome Comics and then just writing mediocre fanfic. Doc Savage, et al.
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Today I finished reading the Kingstone bible volume 8 adapting the prophets of the Old Testament. Holy shit the old testament is so repetitive it hurts, also fuck god for making the dude a cuck just to prove a point lol.
Also how religious people can explain the clear bias to israel when Judah was clearly better? Also fuck god for being cringe and forgiving israel every single time they break from god but the second time another city does it, he kills them all.
(I skipped volume 7 because it was the exiles and it is mostly known, next volume finally starts the new testament stuff)
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I will never see Kingdom Come as anything but boomers seething at how super heroes really are. It is basically a not muh supa hero and every antagonist in the series is written as toy devoid of thought just to make them agree with the writers perspectives.
The art is cool and all but the writing is so lame. Marvels is way better with ross art
Also how religious people can explain the clear bias to israel when Judah was clearly better? Also fuck god for being cringe and forgiving israel every single time they break from god but the second time another city does it, he kills them all.
(I skipped volume 7 because it was the exiles and it is mostly known, next volume finally starts the new testament stuff)
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I will never see Kingdom Come as anything but boomers seething at how super heroes really are. It is basically a not muh supa hero and every antagonist in the series is written as toy devoid of thought just to make them agree with the writers perspectives.
The art is cool and all but the writing is so lame. Marvels is way better with ross art
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I like KC not for the boomer seethe meta-commentary, I like it as the “the end” for the DC universe and for bringing Supes to his Golden Age characterization for his later career, that makes sense in my eyes or him repressing his humanity due to the loss of his supporting cast, Batman returning to his Golden Age smiling self (and looking like Gregory Peck while doing so) and Wonder Woman being the most broken of the three despite not aging. It’s one of the more interesting Trinity stories, with Bruce and Diana being the devil and angel on Clark’s shoulders.
Batman: Most haggard and aged but his spirit is still intact and he’s ever the crusader, he’s not gonna let horrific spinal injuries stop him from fighting his war.
Superman: Middle ground in terms of age and his spirit, he’s got some grey and he’s rough around the edges, but he’s still the Man of Steel, just lost.
Wonder Woman: Hasn’t aged a day and internally she is the broken one, her failure to save man’s world haunts her and fills her with rage.
It fits in with the loose Horsemen of the Apocalypse image the three have with Captain Marvel, with Superman obviously being the pale horse.
There’s things to question and Waid is a spineless good for nothing who slapped his name on another guy’s magnum opus, as proven with “The Kingdom” completely missing the mark.
Ross’s JSA tie-in to “Thy Kingdom Come” was much better and fleshed out this Superman by just having him seek out regular universe Norman and having a talk with the old pastor.
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I like KC and the JSA tie in that basically cemented the idea that, maybe, the JSA is needed in-universe for a reason. After all, the nu52 verse kinda got fucked and you could imply that Ross kinda set up the echoes of Doomsday Clock with it.
But uh, maybe that's just be schizoing out. It doesn't mean anything now because modern DC treats anything that isn't top-shelf IPs as novelties.
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On that train of thought, KC is also good if you look at it through the lense of being reconstituted Earth-2 (which I believe it was intended to be, I know for sure Waid wanted it to be) because then those original iterations get their ending, it’s not necessarily all happy, but it’s an ending, which is better than Crisis-fodder.
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I hope Lemire's JSA book is good