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[DocAwe]

Nah, pretty spot on. Typical Gaiman fare, way too fantasy to fit into Spawn's more urban setting, even despite having the whole Heaven vs Hell theme going on in the background. I liked Cog, i hated Angela and Medieval Spawn.

But, uh, is it good? I wanted to read it for a couple of weeks now but didn't find the time yet. I am not huge into Batman but i picked up the odd stand-alone or short run this year and ended up liking some a lot (already sperged about the stellar Arkham Asylum a while back).

Fair enough.
Yes, I'm liking it.
To be clear I'm picking this one up in trades so I'm only like six or seven issues in an I think #15 just dropped so I'm a bit behind.

 

[The Feline Solution 2]

Fair enough.
Yes, I'm liking it.
To be clear I'm picking this one up in trades so I'm only like six or seven issues in an I think #15 just dropped so I'm a bit behind.

Ah, dag, didn't know it isn't finished yet, i usually don't read unfinished stuff, personal preference after getting burned to often with unfinished and untranslated works back when i was only reading manga. Much like with most other US comics i pick up i found out about it via a random YT video, the artwork looked nice and the premise piqued my interest. I think i start reading it tomorrow, no matter if it's finished or not.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Possibly, the idea of a character who is an unapologetic fan girl of the main heroes would probably work better since Wonder Woman is a better character than Carol Danvers. And you'd have moments where the Teen Titans welcome her in and she gets super excited about her first team up. Her trying to take selfies in the Batcave could be funny. But this was during the New 52, when DC needed everything to be super dark and serious, while she's a light hearted character who needs to be goofy to work.

DC was always more "teen" friendly than Marvel. In the Marvel universe, it seems reckless to ask a child to fight crime. In the DC universe, that's just par for the course.

When the whole SJW/DEI thing was in full force, they would always go too far on the diversity quotient. Diversity Girl being a fan of a superhero? Sure, whatever. Diversity Girl being a fan of Captain Astroturf. That's a step too far.

Go back to 2015. Who's popular? Iron Man. Captain America. Thor. Why can't she be a Captain America fangirl? At least that's realistic. It would also create a fun dynamic: the fully Americanized muslim teenager embracing the symbol of America in opposition to her conservative pakistani parents. Nah. Emotional conflict? Who needs it?

 

[DocAwe]

Ah, dag, didn't know it isn't finished yet, i usually don't read unfinished stuff, personal preference after getting burned to often with unfinished and untranslated works back when i was only reading manga. Much like with most other US comics i pick up i found out about it via a random YT video, the artwork looked nice and the premise piqued my interest. I think i start reading it tomorrow, no matter if it's finished or not.

No idea how long it's going to run for.
I feel ya about reading things that don't finish.
Give it a shot duder, I'm sure you can find a way to read a few issues to get a feel.
The first trade is out and you can get it under $20 all day.

https://cheapgraphicnovels.com/absolute-batman-vol-01-the-zoo-tp

 

[DocAwe]

Possibly, the idea of a character who is an unapologetic fan girl of the main heroes would probably work better since Wonder Woman is a better character than Carol Danvers. And you'd have moments where the Teen Titans welcome her in and she gets super excited about her first team up. Her trying to take selfies in the Batcave could be funny. But this was during the New 52, when DC needed everything to be super dark and serious, while she's a light hearted character who needs to be goofy to work.

The only time Carol Danvers was cool was when Rogue stole her powers.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

The only time Carol Danvers was cool was when Rogue stole her powers.

Nah, she was pretty cool during House Of M and right after when she remembered how she was treated in that universe, and was painfully aware of what a drunken fuckup she'd been in the real world previously. It was neat seeing her try to match and surpass her existence as that worlds' "best heroine". What they did to her after? All downhill.

I'm really enjoying the current Absolute Wonder Woman run, and pretty much loathing the current main universe run. The Art on both is incredible, for the most part. But that whole Steve Trevor is dead/Amazons are banned from the US/Sovereign/Mouse Man Island shit has been awful. She's a bitch. And a shitty mother.

 

[DocAwe]

Nah, she was pretty cool during House Of M and right after when she remembered how she was treated in that universe, and was painfully aware of what a drunken fuckup she'd been in the real world previously. It was neat seeing her try to match and surpass her existence as that worlds' "best heroine". What they did to her after? All downhill.

For sure.
I actually did like her as Ms. Marvel and that other moniker, Warbird?
Her current iteration is what?
Binary?
I don't know man, Marvel just can't seem to let well enough alone.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Both Kamala Khan and Carol Danvers have the same problem of Marvel trying to force them onto a wider audience. Kamala worked best as the Jersey girl Spider-Man -- a small time, local hero. Carol worked best as the c-list fuckup superhero / SHIELD Agent.

 

[DocAwe]

Nah, she was pretty cool during House Of M and right after when she remembered how she was treated in that universe, and was painfully aware of what a drunken fuckup she'd been in the real world previously. It was neat seeing her try to match and surpass her existence as that worlds' "best heroine". What they did to her after? All downhill.

I'm really enjoying the current Absolute Wonder Woman run, and pretty much loathing the current main universe run. The Art on both is incredible, for the most part. But that whole Steve Trevor is dead/Amazons are banned from the US/Sovereign/Mouse Man Island shit has been awful. She's a bitch. And a shitty mother.

AWW is great so far.
I'm so happy I like it because I normally don't like WW.
I do like that black label run she had, "Dead Earth".

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Possibly, the idea of a character who is an unapologetic fan girl of the main heroes would probably work better since Wonder Woman is a better character than Carol Danvers.

That sounds suspiciously close in concept to Cassie Sandsmark, though I think she was strictly a WW fangirl.

When the whole SJW/DEI thing was in full force, they would always go too far on the diversity quotient. Diversity Girl being a fan of a superhero? Sure, whatever. Diversity Girl being a fan of Captain Astroturf. That's a step too far.

DEI likely destroyed legacy as a concept in comics as it has become synonymous with replacement. Marvel pretty much killed it when they make Sam Wilson the new Captain America, Jane Foster the new Thor, then decided Kamala Khan and Riri Williams were the biggest thing since Spider-Man. Then DC absolutely (no pun intended) buried it with the Future State initiative. I don't need to go on about Jon Kent, but Yara Flor Wonder Girl and Jace Fox Batman were pushed to the sidelines in record time. Non-binary Jess Chambers Flash was forgotten from the get-go, and I don't think anyone remembers that DC tried to give Jackson Hyde the Aquaman mantle.

It's not like Wally West, who spent years struggling with his bad case of imposter syndrome. Editors use legacy as a license to marginalize beloved characters and replace them with new product that will never sell.

 

[Nick Obre]

and I don't think anyone remembers that DC tried to give Jackson Hyde the Aquaman mantle.

I'm suddenly reminded of that other Aquaman replacement, who was pretty much just normal Aquaman again, also shelved and forgotten extremely quickly.

 

[Gunter x Gunter]

I'm suddenly reminded of that other Aquaman replacement, who was pretty much just normal Aquaman again, also shelved and forgotten extremely quickly.

Arthur Joseph Curry, I actually like Sword of Atlantis but yeah I am pretty sure he's been memory holed.

 

[Neuropol]

Arthur Joseph Curry, I actually like Sword of Atlantis but yeah I am pretty sure he's been memory holed

It shouldn't surprise anyone that SoA was a fun book, what with Kurt Busiek being behind it. Some of his Astro City stuff suggests he's a big old lefty, but from the many other things I've read he knows how to tell a good story while keeping the cast in xharacter--I may have mentioned this here before, but Hawkeye recognizing the JLA as a version of the Squadron Supreme is one of my favorie anyrhings ever.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

I may have mentioned this here before, but Hawkeye recognizing the JLA as a version of the Squadron Supreme is one of my favorie anyrhings ever.

I remember a magazine interview (probably Wizard) around 1998-9 where he said he wanted to write the then-theoretical crossover for that bit of dialogue alone.

 

[Elks_antler]

What’s your guy’s thoughts on absolute Wonder Woman? I think that it is the best book in the line, even beating out abs Batman.

Diana is great and the book doesn’t feel preachy which is a pleasant surprise. WW as a character can be preachy even at the best of times. I especially like that first issue with her growing up in hell, that was heart warming.
The other characters are great as well, though I think the two black chicks could be dropped past their first appearance and nothing would change.

One of my favorite things about the book is that it sticks to the differences.

I do have a couple of issues with it. First I think the pacing is a bit slow. Not nearly as slow as absolute supershit, but I think that it could be sped up just a bit. The art is fine for me I would’ve preferred a more traditional look but every one else seems to love it, so I’m in the minority it seems.

 

[Neuropol]

I remember a magazine interview (probably Wizard) around 1998-9 where he said he wanted to write the then-theoretical crossover for that bit of dialogue alone.

Right around the time his Avengers run with George Perez was starting and/or picking up steam. And Perez would go on to have his CrossGen contract include a clause freeing him to do JLA/Avengers if the opportunity ever re-emerged.

Those two made it happen through sheer force of will, didn't they?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Go back to 2015. Who's popular? Iron Man. Captain America. Thor. Why can't she be a Captain America fangirl? At least that's realistic. It would also create a fun dynamic: the fully Americanized muslim teenager embracing the symbol of America in opposition to her conservative pakistani parents. Nah. Emotional conflict? Who needs it?

That would have been a good idea, except they were being forced by Disney to avoid the characters owned by Fox and the most popular female heroines were all mutants or Sue Storm, so they couldn't use them. They had Black Widow but she didn't have super powers, so they needed someone else to be their new leading lady now that Storm was off the table. And they went with Carol Danvers of all people for some reason.

But actually, this could have worked, if it was kept secret from the public what a mess Carol really is and so Kamala has this squeaky clean idolized version of the woman. But when she learns what a mess Carol really is, she finds herself questioning her views and herself because she's used Carol as her ideal self image for so long. However, at the time, the feminist wave was coming in and a woman being anything less than perfect? That's a sin too great to be forgiven.

Both Kamala Khan and Carol Danvers have the same problem of Marvel trying to force them onto a wider audience. Kamala worked best as the Jersey girl Spider-Man -- a small time, local hero. Carol worked best as the c-list fuckup superhero / SHIELD Agent.

This was my big issue with the MCU, especially Spider-Man. The second Spidey movie didn't need to be this big, epic European adventure involving giant monsters and needing to stop a catastrophe when Mysterio got access to Ironman's drones. The third movie actually worked really well by being about Peter trying to redeem his foes and save them from dying in their own worlds. Hawkeye was one of the better shows because it's just about Clint trying to save Kate from the people who want revenge on him for the shit he did as Ronin.

But Moon Knight? Did not need to be any of that. Antman 3? Did not need to be about saving the quantumverse or whatever that was. And part of the issues with Spidey 4 was there being a fight between Feige and Sony over whether it should be a grounded story or this epic multi-verse spanning adventure.

Just let the ground level heroes be that, not everyone needs to be epic.

 

[Nick Obre]

What’s your guy’s thoughts on absolute Wonder Woman? I think that it is the best book in the line, even beating out abs Batman.

It's by far the best of the line.

Diana is great and the book doesn’t feel preachy which is a pleasant surprise. WW as a character can be preachy even at the best of times. I especially like that first issue with her growing up in hell, that was heart warming.

They must have really put the knife to Thompson's neck, "none of your usual bullshit", because she's never shown restraint like this.

The other characters are great as well, though I think the two black chicks could be dropped past their first appearance and nothing would change.

That's one of the book's problems, a lot of superfluous supporting cast members. It could be just Steve, and Etta doing the role of the whole cadre, save Cheeta for something else and completely axe that other girl.

One of my favorite things about the book is that it sticks to the differences.

I do have a couple of issues with it. First I think the pacing is a bit slow. Not nearly as slow as absolute supershit, but I think that it could be sped up just a bit. The art is fine for me I would’ve preferred a more traditional look but every one else seems to love it, so I’m in the minority it seems.

Love the art. The artist is the same from Batman Dark Patterns (which I highly recommend, see my post about it, Batman Gargoyle of Gotham and AbsoBatman a little while back), and he's versatile enough that it looks very different, but you can recognize his hand once you're familiar.

 

[DocAwe]

What’s your guy’s thoughts on absolute Wonder Woman? I think that it is the best book in the line, even beating out abs Batman.

Diana is great and the book doesn’t feel preachy which is a pleasant surprise. WW as a character can be preachy even at the best of times. I especially like that first issue with her growing up in hell, that was heart warming.
The other characters are great as well, though I think the two black chicks could be dropped past their first appearance and nothing would change.

One of my favorite things about the book is that it sticks to the differences.

I do have a couple of issues with it. First I think the pacing is a bit slow. Not nearly as slow as absolute supershit, but I think that it could be sped up just a bit. The art is fine for me I would’ve preferred a more traditional look but every one else seems to love it, so I’m in the minority it seems.

AGL is my favourite so far but with every issue of AWW I read it clicks up.
I'm not really a Wonder Woman fan so I went into the book not expecting much and was so surprised how much I like it.
My only complaints are there seems to be unnecessary panels.
I get they're trying to show you a fleshed out character but it really could be tightened up.
I'm not feeling Supes.
Biggest gripe with ABM is Bruce isn't rich... But you wouldn't ever notice based on how he seemingly has all the resources he needs.
BAT-AXE!

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I think Absolute Batman would be more interesting to me if Joker was just a joke villain on the level of a Calendar Man.