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Is there any good recommendation for historical comics made in US, I dont mean japan and europe, specifically in US.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Either way, upon seeing the solar farm, Invi realizes that the dino guy was right, kek, or so he thinks. At that point I wasn't sure whether he was suffering from brain damage or if the author was going into full lefty rant, but either way, the writing got worse for sure. The comic gets worse after that supposedly.
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Invincible is the ultimate encapsulation of that era of comics and a useful commentary even though the writing is ass. It captured everything from the weird unnecessary spinoffs, the ediginess and retarded attempts at moral ambiguity, reboots and even an entire issue having commentary about race swapped legacies like Miles.

In the end like all things, Kirkman epitomizes the comics business guy that prioritizes adaptations and the normie audience, which also kind of acts as it owns commentary about the nature of comics. How they are now IP mills for streamingslop services to farm ideas.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
So was Ex Machina but it ended up being all the same.

I didn't read much Wildstorm aside from The Authority. Seemed like there were some fun stuff but it was all out of print by the time I looked into it. Anyone got any recommendations?
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The Alan Moore section of Wildcats, the Warren Ellis start on Stormwatch, DV8, Gen13, 21 Down, American Way, Deathblow, Majestic, Point Blank if you haven't already (it's the prologue to Sleeper), Welcome To Tranquility. The best thing they ever did was probably Planetary or Sleeper, but The Authority and that stormwatch run that leads to it (including Aliens vs Wildcats) was pretty important to that universe. I really liked Number Of The Beast, which lead into their apocalyptic event. There's also Ocean, the planetary tie-ins with Batman and JLA, Storming Paradise, the entirety of Wetworks (the newer series was far more fun than I expected).

So long as you keep in mind that some of the above isn't set in their greater universe and that the entire point was Jim Lee and his friends trying to speedrun a Marvel or DC-sized universe in 10 years instead of 60, you'll find the highs outweigh the lows, I think.

A decent reimagining is a DC book from a while ago called The Wild Storm, which tried to take the main big points from the line before and put it all into a single story. It's got some dumb moments, but overall I quite liked it.
 
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Prehistoric Jazz said:
The Alan Moore section of Wildcats, the Warren Ellis start on Stormwatch, DV8, Gen13, 21 Down, American Way, Deathblow, Majestic, Point Blank if you haven't already (it's the prologue to Sleeper), Welcome To Tranquility. The best thing they ever did was probably Planetary or Sleeper, but The Authority and that stormwatch run that leads to it (including Aliens vs Wildcats) was pretty important to that universe. I really liked Number Of The Beast, which lead into their apocalyptic event. There's also Ocean, the planetary tie-ins with Batman and JLA, Storming Paradise, the entirety of Wetworks (the newer series was far more fun than I expected).

So long as you keep in mind that some of the above isn't set in their greater universe and that the entire point was Jim Lee and his friends trying to speedrun a Marvel or DC-sized universe in 10 years instead of 60, you'll find the highs outweigh the lows, I think.

A decent reimagining is a DC book from a while ago called The Wild Storm, which tried to take the main big points from the line before and put it all into a single story. It's got some dumb moments, but overall I quite liked it.
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Basically anything with Ellis attached Wildstorm wise is worth reading
 
Gunter x Gunter said:
nvincible is the ultimate encapsulation of that era of comics and a useful commentary even though the writing is ass. It captured everything from the weird unnecessary spinoffs, the ediginess and retarded attempts at moral ambiguity, reboots and even an entire issue having commentary about race swapped legacies like Miles.
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You can feel when the nihilistic point of view of the Current Day (TM) seeps in when that retarded reasoning that the mass murderer eco-terrorist has the protagonist saying "hey, that's a good idea!" Of course, that backfires on him, but the fact he seemingly agrees feels dumb. For extra hilarity, some time ago another supervillain slaughtered like a quarter of the population of Earth, destroying major cities like Paris, so it's not like they lack physical space. And then there's the fact that the Viltrumites' final strategy was to sneak into Earth and wait out the protagonist until their numbers are replenished, so that idea feels dumber the more I think about it (nevermind how the MC could have contacted his alien buddies so that they deploy the gene-plague to wipe out the Viltrus at long last, instead of kicking the ball forward).

It's like the ending of Watchmen but dumber since the protagonist should know better.

Gunter x Gunter said:
In the end like all things, Kirkman epitomizes the comics business guy that prioritizes adaptations and the normie audience, which also kind of acts as it owns commentary about the nature of comics. How they are now IP mills for streamingslop services to farm ideas.
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With prioritizing the normie audience, do you mean dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator?

Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
Planetary was pretty good
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It was, although the ending was a bit anti-climatic.
 
Registration said:
Is there any good recommendation for historical comics made in US, I dont mean japan and europe, specifically in US.
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Age of Bronze comes to mind. That book got a lot of hype when it first released, but it kinda petered out and will likely remain unfinished.

Frank Miller's 300.

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a lot of good American historical work unless you're really into the holocaust,
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Age of Bronze comes to mind. That book got a lot of hype when it first released, but it kinda petered out and will likely remain unfinished.

Frank Miller's 300.

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a lot of good American historical work unless you're really into the holocaust,
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Ah Age of Bronze, I didn't read it yet because it was unfinished.

300, I already read it.
 
Gimmighoul said:
i’d like to pick your brains a little bit (and also apologize if this counts as derailing!)

what would you suggest to an absolute newbie? literally anything for any reason. i’ve always been interested but also have really bad choice paralysis :lossmanjack:

i already have things like the killing joke, hellboy, and watchmen on the agenda. but i’d love to have more in general. i’m open to anything
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Judge Dredd is classic Sci-Fi at it's finest.
If you don't want to read the Collected Casse Files, pick up just about any graphic novel arc and you're good. Origins, Judgement Day, and The Apocalypse War are some of my favorites.

The only Marvel character I give a shit about is The Punisher. Don't bother reading anything that isn't written by Garth Ennis though.
Seriously, his run on Punisher MAX is outstanding and probably the best version of the character ever written.

If you like Watchmen, check out The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by the same writer.

If classic Sword & Sorcery is your style, Marvel's "The Savage Sword of Conan" simply can't be beat. Roy Thomas does an excellent job of adapting the original RE Howard stories and the Black & White art is gritty, violent, and amazing.

You also need to take the time to read Preacher by Garth Ennis, Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis, and Sin City by Frank Miller.
These are all very different series, but well worth the time to read and are some of the very best that comics has to offer as an art form.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
You can feel when the nihilistic point of view of the Current Day (TM) seeps in when that retarded reasoning that the mass murderer eco-terrorist has the protagonist saying "hey, that's a good idea!" Of course, that backfires on him, but the fact he seemingly agrees feels dumb. For extra hilarity, some time ago another supervillain slaughtered like a quarter of the population of Earth, destroying major cities like Paris, so it's not like they lack physical space. And then there's the fact that the Viltrumites' final strategy was to sneak into Earth and wait out the protagonist until their numbers are replenished, so that idea feels dumber the more I think about it (nevermind how the MC could have contacted his alien buddies so that they deploy the gene-plague to wipe out the Viltrus at long last, instead of kicking the ball forward).

It's like the ending of Watchmen but dumber since the protagonist should know better.
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The reveal that Nolan was actually the true heir to the throne was an ass-pull that I think Kirkman put in because he couldn't come up with anything else to get rid of the threat of the Viltrumites without having the earth being wrecked from the damage that would be done from such a battle. Looking back, it's hard to tell where he was making fun of superhero storylines and where he genuinely believed his characters were doing the right thing. Like, when he has the sex scenes censored because it's a family comic, then later in that issue we have the bloodiest fight we've had thus far.

The Invincible War was a single issue making fun of epic story arcs that Marvel and DC were pushing at the time, and it's quickly forgotten about, like how those stories usually were. But then later he has big stories that also get forgotten later on too.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
The reveal that Nolan was actually the true heir to the throne was an ass-pull that I think Kirkman put in because he couldn't come up with anything else to get rid of the threat of the Viltrumites without having the earth being wrecked from the damage that would be done from such a battle. Looking back, it's hard to tell where he was making fun of superhero storylines and where he genuinely believed his characters were doing the right thing. Like, when he has the sex scenes censored because it's a family comic, then later in that issue we have the bloodiest fight we've had thus far.

The Invincible War was a single issue making fun of epic story arcs that Marvel and DC were pushing at the time, and it's quickly forgotten about, like how those stories usually were. But then later he has big stories that also get forgotten later on too.
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I like Invincible overall as a book but the whole rape bit was just weird with how it was handled
 
Humble Architect said:
No. Kirkman just shows that kike writing habits are in fact, genetic and he loses his battle with forcing cuckoldry into everything.
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Interesting.
I watched the bulk of the animated series and the number one feeling I got is that everything was Mark's fault and he could do nothing right.
Guess I was curious how different the book was vs the show.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
So was Ex Machina but it ended up being all the same.

I didn't read much Wildstorm aside from The Authority. Seemed like there were some fun stuff but it was all out of print by the time I looked into it. Anyone got any recommendations?
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Prehistoric Jazz said:
The Alan Moore section of Wildcats, the Warren Ellis start on Stormwatch, DV8, Gen13, 21 Down, American Way, Deathblow, Majestic, Point Blank if you haven't already (it's the prologue to Sleeper), Welcome To Tranquility. The best thing they ever did was probably Planetary or Sleeper, but The Authority and that stormwatch run that leads to it (including Aliens vs Wildcats) was pretty important to that universe. I really liked Number Of The Beast, which lead into their apocalyptic event. There's also Ocean, the planetary tie-ins with Batman and JLA, Storming Paradise, the entirety of Wetworks (the newer series was far more fun than I expected).

So long as you keep in mind that some of the above isn't set in their greater universe and that the entire point was Jim Lee and his friends trying to speedrun a Marvel or DC-sized universe in 10 years instead of 60, you'll find the highs outweigh the lows, I think.

A decent reimagining is a DC book from a while ago called The Wild Storm, which tried to take the main big points from the line before and put it all into a single story. It's got some dumb moments, but overall I quite liked it.
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Welcome to Tranquility was kinda interesting, and then it winds up connecting to the rest of Wildstorm later on.

Planetary and Sleeper are kino. Wish the Warren Ellis reboot was seen through, but he got canceled so rip.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
The reveal that Nolan was actually the true heir to the throne was an ass-pull that I think Kirkman put in because he couldn't come up with anything else to get rid of the threat of the Viltrumites without having the earth being wrecked from the damage that would be done from such a battle. Looking back, it's hard to tell where he was making fun of superhero storylines and where he genuinely believed his characters were doing the right thing. Like, when he has the sex scenes censored because it's a family comic, then later in that issue we have the bloodiest fight we've had thus far.
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I didn't get that far. As I mentioned, I stopped reading for a while after reaching this "the ecoterrorist was right!" bit. As for the sex scenes, what do you mean? While nothing explicit is shown, I believe that's an American thing where gore is okay but snu-snu is not. I haven't watched the cartoon nor I want to, as I read it's even more woke than the OG book.

As for Mark failing, it seems the writer wants him to job when faced against any Viltrumite for a LONG time, which sucks as it reminds me of Wakfu's "the protagonist party always fail" issue.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
Ex Machina
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Never got to finish this, but it's a time capsule of when media knew how to treat political disagreements with civility, even beyond the intended 2000s period piece.
Arthur Morgan said:
The reveal that Nolan was actually the true heir to the throne was an ass-pull that I think Kirkman put in because he couldn't come up with anything else to get rid of the threat of the Viltrumites without having the earth being wrecked from the damage that would be done from such a battle. Looking back, it's hard to tell where he was making fun of superhero storylines and where he genuinely believed his characters were doing the right thing. Like, when he has the sex scenes censored because it's a family comic, then later in that issue we have the bloodiest fight we've had thus far.

The Invincible War was a single issue making fun of epic story arcs that Marvel and DC were pushing at the time, and it's quickly forgotten about, like how those stories usually were. But then later he has big stories that also get forgotten later on too.
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Viltrumite War should have been the finale. I cannot tell you what of value would be lost after. It devolves into an endless barrage of restorative justice wankery and obnoxious character-assassinating plot twists.
 
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