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The Prime Retard becoming the people’s champion and self-insert of the not insane comic fan is still funny to me.

I think we’d all have a Superboy-Prime rampage if we got dropped in the hell of current DC and try to fight the world.
 
Registration said:
Ah Age of Bronze, I didn't read it yet because it was unfinished.

300, I already read it.
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The Trojans lose.

Reading actual Batman by the guy that wrote Casanova and the decent post-Civil War Iron Man run and it's pretty bad. There are a lot of cool ideas but none of them are realized well. The dialogue and characterizations are trite and moralistic to the point of cringe, everything is overwrought and over-emphasized and the art has some stand out "splash" images (heavily inspired by other better comics) but it's muddled, confused and terrible at conveying any form of narrative action. Batman talks way too much overall, and he's whiny and emotional a lot.

Small example: there's a joke about how they've replaced the Bat-Signal with something very silly but it still works just as well so they're musing on why they ever bothered with giant spotlight in the first place haha great - but then they lurch into a deep and meaningful explanation of what the old Bat-Signal REPRESENTED and how to made people FEEL and GAVE HOPE to the WORLD that the POLICE were there to SERVE and PROTECT the COMMUNITY and blah blah blah blah fucking get on with it please. The basic theme of this run is that the cops are evil now which is fine but It's insulting to be pandered to this bluntly.

Overall it kind of reminds me of the Godzilla Minus One movie which everyone went nutso over - it's not actually good, it's just that our expectations have been so thoroughly brutalized by everything else we mistake average for good now.

At a minimum they need to fire the artist. Trying to figure out what's happening in each sequence of panels is an actual chore.
 
At a minimum they need to fire the artist. Trying to figure out what's happening in each sequence of panels is an actual chore.
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Power leveling here.

I'll be referring to your comment on terms that I use when I was creating content.

What it seems you are referring to is what I used to call "Dynamic action panels". They are done to supose to enhance the reading aspect of the publication.

The problem, like everything else coming from Generation FAIL, is the lazy ass reasons why are they doing it.

THEY HAVE FORGOT THE FUNDAMENTALS OF STORY TELLING.

Panel work.
Actions within the panel.
And telling a story within each panel by action and by speech bubbles.

It's a balance of panel work that make the overall comic readable.

This has been lost by today's so called artists. Dynamic panel work done wrong can destroy the publication as fast as lousy writing.

I've been there. I've done that and have posted in the past on this site.

I wish I can say more on this matter however I've got to protect my IP's as well as whom I am. I still know a few fuckers who has turned comics into a foundation of DEI wokeism.
 
As an aside it's hilarious that DC has essentially embraced the model pioneered by Alan Grant of resetting the issue numbering sequence to 1 every few issues for no apparent reason.

Titan chads stay winning.
 
Humble Architect said:
The Prime Retard becoming the people’s champion and self-insert of the not insane comic fan is still funny to me.

I think we’d all have a Superboy-Prime rampage if we got dropped in the hell of current DC and try to fight the world.
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Well, it's helped by the fact that Scott Snyder and Geoff Johns gave Prime some depth and a minor redemption arc in Death Metal after he "died" fighting the Darkest Knight. One thing I noticed was that writers in the comic book medium never ever consider subtext as I read Superboy-Prime's rampages as a years-long psychotic break. Look at this way: he lost his original world in the Crisis, lived in timeless pocket dimension, watched the post-Crisis versions of his parents and girlfriend die in a car accident, watched his heroes getting killed/maimed/twisted, was ignored by Earth-Two Superman, and came under the toxic influence of Alexander Luthor. It's no surprise that his confrontation with Conner Kent in Infinite Crisis #4 resulted in a complete nervous breakdown.

What did the heroes do? Zerg rush him and cannon foddered Pantha, Baby Wildbeest, and Bushido when deescalation was still an option. Essentially, the heroes of the DCU inadvertently created a monster that caused death on a scale rarely seen in the medium--and yet it was Krypto, of all beings, who nudged Prime on a better path. He hasn't been absolved of his crimes yet, probably never will, but we was the product of editorial decisions that demanded that a grieving teenager be turned into a mass killer.

Meanwhile, (Teen) Jon Kent suffered a similar fate. Bendis shoved the idiot ball into Lois and Clark's hands and had Jon imprisoned and psychologically abused for years on end by a man with his father's face (Ultraman). However, unlike Prime, Teen Jon came out if it with no psychological scars whatsoever when he should have constantly been on the precipice of a breakdown. Where DC demonized Prime, they placed Teen Jon on a pedestal and tried to convince the audience that he was every bit as good as his his father without after having gone through the required trials. Most of the fandom rejected him because of this and what few fans he does have are in it for the bland comfort writing that writers like Tom Taylor excel at.

At least with Prime, he is intriguing enough to see if he'll continue to walk the path of redemption. The reason why I'm following him is because he represents where I am in my personal fandom: jaded and cynical as opposed to angry. He is one of the few characters that can call DC out on their questionable decisions. Hell, I would pay good money to read a comic where he brutally (but not maliciously) deconstructs Teen Jon and forces him into an existential crisis that I believe was a long time coming.
 
Prime is also endearing because he is the last echo of Silver Age Supes, absolute power.

Me and a friend had an idea while doing our “this how I’d fix comics” sessions.

It’s an Elseworld, advertised as “Return to the Silver Age” and it’s got that status quo, with the catch that Superman is the only superhero and this is what causes Silver Age Superman’s fits of melancholy and reflection, as opposed to any Kryptonian “last of my kind” drama. Then the reveal comes that this is Prime, grown up and in the “new” DC multiverse, his world isn’t “ours” anymore, due to him bringing an “energy” back with him, AKA long-lost fun and wonder of comics, letting his world become something fun and exciting, unlike ours. Because Superboy-Prime, if he existed in our current 2026 would be a looksmaxxing, a-log of the writers at DC, also likley incredibly racist.

Boom, no ambiguity. The “APEX SUPERMAN” isn’t some gay Grant Morrison creation with the Safeway logo on his chest who exists to job. Prime is finally aged up and his world’s Superman. It’d be especially funny to put him next to Conner when they did that thing where Conner was wearing his 90s costume…….. as a twenty-something and we were all worried he was gonna follow Tim into degeneracy.

Here’s his rival, grown-up, he’s become a Superman proper and Conner is the “other” Superboy, competing with the embarrassment of the Superfamily, who was bossed around by one of his father’s punching bags.
 
Humble Architect said:
Prime is also endearing because he is the last echo of Silver Age Supes, absolute power.

Me and a friend had an idea while doing our “this how I’d fix comics” sessions.

It’s an Elseworld, advertised as “Return to the Silver Age” and it’s got that status quo, with the catch that Superman is the only superhero and this is what causes Silver Age Superman’s fits of melancholy and reflection, as opposed to any Kryptonian “last of my kind” drama. Then the reveal comes that this is Prime, grown up and in the “new” DC multiverse, his world isn’t “ours” anymore, due to him bringing an “energy” back with him, AKA long-lost fun and wonder of comics, letting his world become something fun and exciting, unlike ours. Because Superboy-Prime, if he existed in our current 2026 would be a looksmaxxing, a-log of the writers at DC, also likley incredibly racist.

Boom, no ambiguity. The “APEX SUPERMAN” isn’t some gay Grant Morrison creation with the Safeway logo on his chest who exists to job. Prime is finally aged up and his world’s Superman. It’d be especially funny to put him next to Conner when they did that thing where Conner was wearing his 90s costume…….. as a twenty-something and we were all worried he was gonna follow Tim into degeneracy.

Here’s his rival, grown-up, he’s become a Superman proper and Conner is the “other” Superboy, competing with the embarrassment of the Superfamily, who was bossed around by one of his father’s punching bags.
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It amazes me to watch how we the (longtime) fans can pitch better stories than many comic book "professionals" today. My opinion of the current crop is that many of them lack the fundamentals of structure, cause and effect, and human psychology, and view the characters as blank slates for them to shape. Hence, why see many iconic characters sound more like mouthpieces than actual human beings and act out character.

The typical reason is that the big two want different voices and perspectives, but it has accomplished little more than diminish the writing quality and drive legacy fans away.
 
@Jetpack Himmler, see we’ve been sitting in shit so long that most of us who’ve imagined “our run” keep coming back to the idea during night shifts, free time, etc and there’s the catch that despite DC and Marvel’s efforts, we still like these characters.
I wouldn’t immediately undo past writer’s work, that’s gay when they do it, like Cates with Hulk, but the plan is correcting things across the books.

Superman Ongoing: Establish early that Superfamily isn’t all in Metropolis and Supes is back to “part-timer” status in the League. Quietly get rid of Supercorp, Lois with powers, re-introduce “master criminal” Lex and cool off the CEO yuppie who has a Superman complex. Get every character’s “what’s canon and what’s not” in-place and divide characters where necessary, like where the N52 version is an evolution or a new character. Get the versions of characters I would use fully in-place for an overarching storyline that dives into the human/kryptonian divide.

Action Comics meanwhile is divided into three parts.

Superman: Silver Age, we return to what the reader thinks is the Silver Age but is actually evolved Earth Prime and this Superman is Superboy-Prime, all grown up after Dark Metal. It seems unconnected but the theme of fate and inevitability is addressed, for example, he’s got issues with starting a relationship with his universe’s Lois because he’s seen it millions of times.

Lost Son of Krypton: The Phantom Zone has been quiet lately, even stable. Inside the prisoners are in perpetual battle, all united against two foes, eager to kill the only accidental prisoner of the Zone. Jon Kent, one of two halves (kid Jon is red, teen is blue) and accidentally dumped in there through a gap between worlds. His only protector is the other prisoner with an S on his chest, the Eradicator (original Reign one) who’s fighting his programming to protect the “half-breed.” One Jon was imprisoned with a doppelgänger who had his father’s face and hurt him while time passed, the other Jon is imprisoned with a doppelgänger who has his father’s face and won’t let anyone hurt him while time isn’t passing.

They find a literal door out (Uncle Mxy) and go on cosmic adventures trying to get home. Terminator homage obviously but ties into the “fixing” of the Superfamily idea.

Third story in each issue is a one-shot for a character in the series, getting them back where I want them. Like Natasha Irons joining the Titans and John Henry becoming the only Steel in the Superfamily. Lexcorp/Supercorp is absorbed by Steelworks. Others include Jimmy dating Powergirl to Clark’s horror, Lois choosing humanity because being in Clark’s shoes and seeing the world as he does is pretty awful.

Key themes, include the universe rewarding good people, Jor-El and Lara trusting in strangers for their son and the “worst” member of the Superfamily locking in to protect Jon, alongside Mxy. Another is Clark being old school in his justice and not caring about the consequences, no matter the Superman, whether it’s Clark, Prime, Eradicator, Steel, Conner and both Jons, they’re gonna do the right thing, fuck the consequences. The final one is the right thing always being an option, no matter what. Prime, Eradicator, Metallo, even Zod all show they can be better.

Payoffs include.
-Jon and Eradicator meet a Golden Age version of Clark during their hijinks in the cosmic fallout of Bendis’ nonsense (there’s literal cosmic damage) and both are awed, Eradicator moreso.
-The three core eras of Superman are respected and restored, not through undoing plots but evolving characters. By the end, there is a Golden Age Superman in the form of Eradicator, redeemed and forgiven by Clark. He joins a reformed Outlaws with Red Hood and Artemis as the “Dark Superman.” There is a Silver Age Superman with Prime who is now the “big gun” like Kal-L was during the Crisis and he uses a wish from Mxy, that could’ve saved his Laurie Lemaris, to restore Earth 2 and he formally apologizes to Kara. Finally, our main guy is clearly defined as the best of both worlds, any of the post-crisis “replacements” for the Man of Steel origin are retconned and Clark’s manhood is restored by letting him be a little macho and smug again, he’s the best, he’s allowed to act like it.
-Superfamily pruned, Power Girl goes back to Earth 2, Conner replaces the dead Superman of Earth 52, Natasha is gone, the little brats get killed by Hank the Tank, gay Jon isn’t axed suddenly but he ceases to exist so his younger self can be a whole being once again, Steel is dead but prevents a nuclear holocaust and reaffirms “man beats machine” by beating a superior foe down with a hammer and dying to save everyone (he gets his own “Death of Superman” fighting Henshaw) and anyone alive is quietly sent off. Conner gets to be N52 Supes, Eradicator is vibing as Golden Age-style Superman, Power Girl is the premier superhero of her restored world, Prime is given a “gift” by Mxy and finds his world has superheroes other than himself and Lois and Clark get their true son back.
-Redundant characters removed, Rebirth/N52 Eradicator is dead, every Brainiac but one is axed, the Phantom Zone villains are reduced to Zod and Faora, Warworld reverts to the rule of a new “Mongul” AKA Doomsday (Mongul and Doomsday are both Hulk expies so I cut the bullshit), Kryptonians are endangered again and everything post-Rebirth is acknowledged as “happened” but it is almost all fixed and where it belongs, in the garbage.
That’s how I’d do it. Clark would also be a farmer again, cause that was based.
 
Humble Architect said:
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Not going to lie. Those are better ideas than what I've come up with and would pay to see them in print. I honestly want Teen Jon gone because his entire existence hinges on Lois and Clark acting extremely out of character thus I treat him as a continuity glitch whose appearances I consider non-canon. Additionally, yeah, I think Conner is ready to assume the mantle on Earth-52. He always had a better claim of being Superman than Teen Jon because he had the experience to back it.
 
A stray thought, but among other issues with cape books, I find it amazing when you read about some comic book artist or writer leaving a big company, going off to do their own thing, finally getting the chance to fulfill a vision with complete creative control, and it's just another standard superhero.

"After clashes with management Joe Smith left DC after 17 years to start his own creator-owned title, 'Battle Baron' which he had developed for the past decade. The series was cancelled after three issues."
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Not going to lie. Those are better ideas than what I've come up with and would pay to see them in print. I honestly want Teen Jon gone because his entire existence hinges on Lois and Clark acting extremely out of character thus I treat him as a continuity glitch whose appearances I consider non-canon. Additionally, yeah, I think Conner is ready to assume the mantle on Earth-52. He always had a better claim of being Superman than Teen Jon because he had the experience to back it.
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Thanks.

Teen Jon is an abomination but he’s been made to be as hard to remove as possible because the non-readers will get upset if a cocksucker in something they hate is killed off.

Conner being Superboy at the same time as Jon is ridiculous, so Earth-52, in my eyes just makes sense, he was supposed to be the N52 Superman and if everything happens there as it did…….. then that nigga is dead. So you get the idea of “two Supermen” and the “secret Superman” that was /ourguy/ is still canon. It’s just Conner.

I don’t like any of the Superman variants that aren’t a Kal-El (Calvin, Val-Zod or any of the trash Morrison shit up the Multiverse with) so with my sort of “run,” all the core Supermen left standing look alike, Clark, Eradicator, Conner and Prime, but they’re all different branches of the core idea, Kal-L, Action Comics 1.

Because, the universe may be wild, random and downright stupid, but Superman is constant. Whether he’s an alien, a clone, a construct, a human, the result is the same, he’s stepping in to help. The chaos of the multiverse happens around Superman.

That’s my revised Superfamily, everyone’s sent off to their own books/teams and the potential is open. They’re a family…….. but they’re not shitting up the same book, you got weird robot uncle running around with the new Outlaws, Conner in a universe that fits him like a glove, Prime is in a new Silver Age, Natasha is repping the “S” in the Titans, Power Girl is in Earth-2 with Jimmy as her Lois equivalent, Supergirl gets space adventures and Clark’s house is back in order.
 
Humble Architect said:
Teen Jon is an abomination but he’s been made to be as hard to remove as possible because the non-readers will get upset if a cocksucker in something they hate is killed off.
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Yeah, but I even would settle for temporal clone or other such contrivance so Kid Jon as be the focus and Teen Jon can fuck off to some dusty corner of the universe like they did to Jace Fox. DC could even be cute and tell the obsessive non-readers that Teen Jon is still around when they wail about "gay/bi erasure". They painted themselves into a corner with the character; he does not generate interest himself or as part of an ensemble, but is a too visible as part of the Superman family to not use. Hence why they're forcing him into whatever niche they can find him in (New Titans or Steelworks test subject/Smallville bureau chief in Superman Unlimited).

But ultimately it won't work because the fans have long since bolted.
 
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Does this seem like a good idea?
 
TheRedChair said:
The problem, like everything else coming from Generation FAIL, is the lazy ass reasons why are they doing it.

THEY HAVE FORGOT THE FUNDAMENTALS OF STORY TELLING.

Panel work.
Actions within the panel.
And telling a story within each panel by action and by speech bubbles.
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This. Current Western writers, be it from media or comics, are all creatively bankrupt, incompetent, egocentric, arrogant, commies, bitter about not being as good as their forebear, (white) man-hating ideologues who wish to use the comic character for politics, or a combination thereof. It's impossible to do a good Batman comic when say the 2025 Bats "reboot" has the second issue the standard inanity of an EEEVIL, violent, racist white cop, with a chivalrous black cop as a companion (who's of course killed by the former), or turning the third Robin gay, and so on.

As for Invincible, I dunno if it was as widely known as it's right now how useless solar energy was when that issue was written back then, but the dinosaur guy's reasoning was inane because he explicitly killed people to enforce his green energies bullshit (nevermind that it's a 'book universe with working teleportation tech, surely they have better sci-fi energy sources, right?), which ties with the leftists' desire to exterminate everyone to save the Earth. I recall a Philip K. Dick short story that pretty much stated that.

Lastly, as for Abs. Batman, of course there are few, if any, reviewers criticizing this drivel because they're all part of the cult. Anyone not agreeing with the Party will be accused of many "ist/s" and likely lose his job.
 
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This. Current Western writers, be it from media or comics, are all creatively bankrupt, incompetent, egocentric, arrogant, commies, bitter about not being as good as their forebear, (white) man-hating ideologues who wish to use the comic character for politics, or a combination thereof
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They were always like this, some exceptions include Doug Moench and Chuck Dixon but the vast majority of comic writers and editors from the 60s, 70s and 80s are die-hard leftists that only see art as a means of pushing an agenda. I remember reading some Batman comics featuring a character called Leslie Thompkins (Created By Denny o'Neil, she's basically established as a mother figure for bruce because she was the one who found and rescued him after Joe Chill killed Thomas and Martha in Crime Alley) and every story that she's featured end up with her lecturing Batman about Social issues and whatnot (like when batman was beating the shit out of some thugs that tried to kill her and she gets all butthurt about it because socioeconimic factors forced them into attacking her on the street or something and that he needs help), and it's kind of infuriating seeing the hero that literally dealt with this shit for decades to get a sermon from an old lady with too much white guilt.
 
Commander X said:
A stray thought, but among other issues with cape books, I find it amazing when you read about some comic book artist or writer leaving a big company, going off to do their own thing, finally getting the chance to fulfill a vision with complete creative control, and it's just another standard superhero.

"After clashes with management Joe Smith left DC after 17 years to start his own creator-owned title, 'Battle Baron' which he had developed for the past decade. The series was cancelled after three issues."
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Creators wanting to do their own superheroes has never seemed odd to me, there are plenty of things you can do that the big two won't allow for their big characters. And even some small ones. The problem is that what these creatives discover is that unless you have the discipline to get the book out on time, people are just going to go back to their old faves rather than give your book a chance. That's why Spawn did so well while the other Image books had to keep relaunching.

The thing I always find funny is when those same creators just do exactly what they were doing at DC/Marvel and then get pissy when people point out their new stuff is just ripping off other characters. "No! Arachno-Dude is totally different from Spider-Man!"
 
Arthur Morgan said:
Creators wanting to do their own superheroes has never seemed odd to me, there are plenty of things you can do that the big two won't allow for their big characters. And even some small ones. The problem is that what these creatives discover is that unless you have the discipline to get the book out on time, people are just going to go back to their old faves rather than give your book a chance. That's why Spawn did so well while the other Image books had to keep relaunching.

The thing I always find funny is when those same creators just do exactly what they were doing at DC/Marvel and then get pissy when people point out their new stuff is just ripping off other characters. "No! Arachno-Dude is totally different from Spider-Man!"
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Creativetard here.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s weird for people going indie to do superheroes. Granted, most of the time it’s “serial numbers filed off, here’s my rejected story.”

What floors me is the ones who choose to be just as mediocre as they were in the big two. Like I get wanting to play with an expy of a character, but to do it in a way that is pretty much the same as DC and Marvel’s last thirty years of shit? That’s just sad.
 
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