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[Hummingbird]

You know a book is going to be a disaster when the character on the front is fat, squat and looks nothing like the character they're supposedly the daughter of, the title is a reference to Leonard Nimoy's autobiography for some reason, and Mariko Tamaki's name is on the front cover.

So how many food references do you think there's going to be given the author?

 

[Francis York Morgan]

On the Starfire's daughter YA novel, I noted a lack of mention of who her father is...

I see a couple reasons for that.

1. Since this is pure self insert fiction, I'm guessing Mariko's dad wasn't a major part of her life (or at least she didn't feel he was) and so don't expect "Mandy"'s father to be any sort of presence if they are mentioned at all. I'm leaning towards the dad never being brought up for this next reason.
2. We all know who the dad SHOULD be. Even DC's casual audience knows that it should be Nightwing. But a) no fucking way would a child of Dick Grayson and Koriand'r be a fat gnome who vaguely resembles the bitter, middle-aged Asian catlady who wrote this drivel and b) DC has a bunch of Dick/Babs shippers (like Gail Simone) who will lose their shit at the idea of Dick ending up with anyone other than Barbara.

 

[GranDuke]

I miss when Yeen Titans Go! was considered the worst thing made about the Teen Titans.

When was that?

As for no mention of the father I think it is part of the marketing - buy this shit and find out who the daddy is.

 

[Owlman]

How can a single story be four pages, yet so fucking good?

 

[jspit2.0]

this is mildly infuriating because you'd expect the dad to be Nightwing or sth but they say it's a high school dropout.

Depends how much you care about Starfire.

Anyways the author is dead to me. They're pretty shitty. (google them and it's almost like they're just getting themselves drawn and written as the MC. )

She really is a whole 'nother level of bad. I read her Wonder Woman and it may be the best thing she's ever written. It's just mediocre with some frustrating SJW bits.

is Starfire A-list outside of the Titans? Feels like they really could have just used Wonder Woman or any big Justice League heroine.

I feel outside of Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, TT has been on so long a whole generation know those characters from that.

This probably does not even make "Top 100 shit things that have happened to Titans" list.

It's in the top 50. It's not just that its bad, it's cringe bad.

At some point, this will all be more funny than disgusting. We'll look back and laugh ourselves sick at all this creative atrocity, just like when the silver age turned everyone into family-centric matriarchs/patriarchs and Joker planned every boner out.

If it doesn't wind up destroying whole IPs to where people look at them and can't help associating them with this shit.

So how many food references do you think there's going to be given the author?

Depends whether Mariko eats before writing...

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How can a single story be four pages, yet so fucking good?

Huh? Since when is Hal vulnerable to Yellow again?

I'd like to say great call out to Zero Hour, but I don't know if they even intended to do that.

As to four pages, historically new writers and characters weren't handed whole series of 22 page comics. Shock of shock and horror of horrors, they cut their teeth on backups. You learned to write lean stories within the margins. Some of the best stories I've ever read were between four to ten pages.

 

[Owlman]

Huh? Since when is Hal vulnerable to Yellow again?

I'd like to say great call out to Zero Hour, but I don't know if they even intended to do that.

This is set in the Dark Multiverse. I guess a multiverse based of the fears of heroes isn’t protected from comic logic.

 

[GranDuke]

I like that DC has been doing these holiday specials that give each creative team 6-10 pages to tell a story. It has been mostly shit, but hey, maybe someone will learn something.

I think there are also some rumours that DC might be doing anthology series for Batman and Superman family.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

This is set in the Dark Multiverse. I guess a multiverse based of the fears of heroes isn’t protected from comic logic.

Right. It's a Dark Multiverse short so, for all we know, it's a universe where Parallax was still in the Central Battery and corrupted the whole Corps through Hal. As Owlman said, it's literally four pages long but it's the best of that bunch by a mile. Kind of made me wish that was given a full issue or mini-series over most of what we've gotten out of DC's edgelord line.

EDIT: I was chatting with a friend of mine about the Dark Multiverse/Death Metal the other day and I think I finally hit why none of it is landing with me (besides my feelings on Snyder as a writer/creator). This whole thing sure would have more of an impact if the main DC universe hasn't felt like a dark reflection of itself for years, at least since Identity Crisis but likely since the 90s. I'm struggling to think of a solid, prolonged period of optimism that it's had in the last decade. Maybe Rebirth but man did that get shoved aside as soon as Didio could.

 

[jspit2.0]

This is set in the Dark Multiverse. I guess a multiverse based of the fears of heroes isn’t protected from comic logic.

Perhaps, it just seems odd to me that a yellow arrow would mean anything. Not that Yellow wouldn't work against a rookie Lantern. This is something an editor should catch.

I like that DC has been doing these holiday specials that give each creative team 6-10 pages to tell a story. It has been mostly shit, but hey, maybe someone will learn something.

I think there are also some rumours that DC might be doing anthology series for Batman and Superman family.

Well, they keep hiring the same lackluster talent you'll get lackluster results. Eventually it's like Erik Larsen. You write comics for twenty years you have to get a little better, right?

I saw Batman Black and White advertised on a web pop up. I poke my head in to say what DC looks like. Marvel I couldn't care at this point. Looks to be same crap pool on their ongoings. Either get people who aren't doing these books and are potential recruits or get real talent who won't do a run.

Right. It's a Dark Multiverse short so, for all we know, it's a universe where Parallax was still in the Central Battery and corrupted the whole Corps through Hal.

Would Yellow mean anything to Parallax? Hell if I know. I don't think it was ever tried.

As Owlman said, it's literally four pages long but it's the best of that bunch by a mile. Kind of made me wish that was given a full issue or mini-series over most of what we've gotten out of DC's edgelord line.

EDIT: I was chatting with a friend of mine about the Dark Multiverse/Death Metal the other day and I think I finally hit why none of it is landing with me (besides my feelings on Snyder as a writer/creator). This whole thing sure would have more of an impact if the main DC universe hasn't felt like a dark reflection of itself for years, at least since Identity Crisis but likely since the 90s. I'm struggling to think of a solid, prolonged period of optimism that it's had in the last decade. Maybe Rebirth but man did that get shoved aside as soon as Didio could.

Rebirth was optimism. Maybe Brightest Day? I don't think Death Metal ever made it. Snyder's not writing a story, but he's just kindof poorly world building. It doesn't end, it doesn't begin. Hell, it doesn't even stand on its own.

Make of it what you will. I'm going back through the JLI. I wonder if it be harder for me to count the characters Dan Didio didn't rape, murder, kill. G'nort?

 

[Alexander Thaut]

So how many food references do you think there's going to be given the author?

idk but I kinda imagine she's rebelling against her mother's cuisine of mustard sandwiches and whatnot.

But knowing the writer, they're not that smart.

I see a couple reasons for that.

1. Since this is pure self insert fiction, I'm guessing Mariko's dad wasn't a major part of her life (or at least she didn't feel he was) and so don't expect "Mandy"'s father to be any sort of presence if they are mentioned at all. I'm leaning towards the dad never being brought up for this next reason.
2. We all know who the dad SHOULD be. Even DC's casual audience knows that it should be Nightwing. But a) no fucking way would a child of Dick Grayson and Koriand'r be a fat gnome who vaguely resembles the bitter, middle-aged Asian catlady who wrote this drivel and b) DC has a bunch of Dick/Babs shippers (like Gail Simone) who will lose their shit at the idea of Dick ending up with anyone other than Barbara.

Dick is the primo choice.

Even if she doesn't have a dad, where's the fucking alien genetics? Starfire's race has solar absorbtion like Supes does so the metabolism would be increased. In fact, it feels like Starfire's just a stand in for "outgoing extrovert mom who everyone loves" and people expect the daughter to be similar yada yada.

I mean you could have picked Zatanna, Vixen, Black Canary. . .
Hell you could have picked Power Girl.

also the tagline of an enemy from starfire's past coming to get them etc. etc. makes no sense when Starfire's got exactly one rogue and it's her sister.

Depends how much you care about Starfire.

She really is a whole 'nother level of bad. I read her Wonder Woman and it may be the best thing she's ever written. It's just mediocre with some frustrating SJW bits.


I feel outside of Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, TT has been on so long a whole generation know those characters from that.



It's in the top 50. It's not just that its bad, it's cringe bad.



If it doesn't wind up destroying whole IPs to where people look at them and can't help associating them with this shit.



Depends whether Mariko eats before writing...


Huh? Since when is Hal vulnerable to Yellow again?

I'd like to say great call out to Zero Hour, but I don't know if they even intended to do that.

As to four pages, historically new writers and characters weren't handed whole series of 22 page comics. Shock of shock and horror of horrors, they cut their teeth on backups. You learned to write lean stories within the margins. Some of the best stories I've ever read were between four to ten pages.

backups are fun.

anyways Tamaki is a shit writer not because of the SJW bits, but because she doesn't really tell compelling stuff. You could get behind a Wonder Woman story that has a theme of being mad about mysogyny and use a villain that shows the extremes of this. Wasn't there a Justice League story from the DCAU that dealt with some amazon going nuts and wanting to eradicate men for their evils and etc.?

anyways I don't wanna get into a shitload of typing but my point is that foils =/= strawmen. It'd be better to just use a foil of any kind than invent strawmen.

Right. It's a Dark Multiverse short so, for all we know, it's a universe where Parallax was still in the Central Battery and corrupted the whole Corps through Hal. As Owlman said, it's literally four pages long but it's the best of that bunch by a mile. Kind of made me wish that was given a full issue or mini-series over most of what we've gotten out of DC's edgelord line.

EDIT: I was chatting with a friend of mine about the Dark Multiverse/Death Metal the other day and I think I finally hit why none of it is landing with me (besides my feelings on Snyder as a writer/creator). This whole thing sure would have more of an impact if the main DC universe hasn't felt like a dark reflection of itself for years, at least since Identity Crisis but likely since the 90s. I'm struggling to think of a solid, prolonged period of optimism that it's had in the last decade. Maybe Rebirth but man did that get shoved aside as soon as Didio could.

Didio sucked.

Dark Multiverse is a fun concept and I hope it sticks around.

 

[JimiHendrix]

i like how every single time a new DC YA novel comes out people lose their fucking minds. DC as been doing this for near a year at this point, and it's all been bad. it's always been bad. remember a few months ago when we got asian bruce wayne? or what about the cassandra cain storyline that had bruce wayne removed from history because the author thought if batman existed and crime existed, then bruce isn't doing his job so bruce had to not exist for the story?

this isn't anything new. but it's always funny to see the reactions every time.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

i like how every single time a new DC YA novel comes out people lose their fucking minds. DC as been doing this for near a year at this point, and it's all been bad. it's always been bad. remember a few months ago when we got asian bruce wayne? or what about the cassandra cain storyline that had bruce wayne removed from history because the author thought if batman existed and crime existed, then bruce isn't doing his job so bruce had to not exist for the story?

this isn't anything new. but it's always funny to see the reactions every time.

the only one i even remotely thought was interesting was that one about the asian-american kid who got a green lantern ring.

 

[Secret Asshole]

i like how every single time a new DC YA novel comes out people lose their fucking minds. DC as been doing this for near a year at this point, and it's all been bad. it's always been bad. remember a few months ago when we got asian bruce wayne? or what about the cassandra cain storyline that had bruce wayne removed from history because the author thought if batman existed and crime existed, then bruce isn't doing his job so bruce had to not exist for the story?

this isn't anything new. but it's always funny to see the reactions every time.

I mean jesus fuck, look at that ugly fat cunt. She's disgusting and self-inserted, which is one of the worst fucking things you can do and indicates a trash fucking author. Its very very rarely done well. And a comic is not going to do it well. This is cute if they think an ugly fat self-insert cunt about stupid shit nobody gives a fuck about will beat manga.

 

[JimiHendrix]

I mean jesus fuck, look at that ugly fat cunt. She's disgusting and self-inserted, which is one of the worst fucking things you can do and indicates a trash fucking author. Its very very rarely done well. And a comic is not going to do it well. This is cute if they think an ugly fat self-insert cunt about stupid shit nobody gives a fuck about will beat manga.

pretty sure this is the same cunt that wrote the Harley YA novel that had her living with a fat gay man named "momma" and had the detail that Harley's grandmother used to collect a shit ton of Clown figures.

so, you don't need to tell me how bad this is gonna be.

 

[PrincessHomura]

It really is sad that people don't go to DC or Marvel because they want to write about these fantastical characters they grew up reading with long, enduring legacies and legendary stories to their name, but instead just want to use these characters to write stories about their own mundane lives and shitty attitudes through fantastical characters as some sort of proxy to get someone to pay attention to them.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

idk but I kinda imagine she's rebelling against her mother's cuisine of mustard sandwiches and whatnot.

But knowing the writer, they're not that smart.

You're expecting a lot of the writer to actually know enough about Starfire to reference stuff. At most, I'm expecting her to know Starfire as "Alien Princess that puts 'the' in front of a lot of her sentences".

It really is sad that people don't go to DC or Marvel because they want to write about these fantastical characters they grew up reading with long, enduring legacies and legendary stories to their name, but instead just want to use these characters to write stories about their own mundane lives and shitty attitudes through fantastical characters as some sort of proxy to get someone to pay attention to them.

Yeah, I never got this. If you're gonna self-insert yourself into a super hero story, you'd think you'd want to be playing an exciting role.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

This... This is a thing apparently: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/sta...-i-am-not-starfire-ya-original-graphic-novel/

Why is this a thing? Haven't the Titans characters been through enough shit?

This is pure self-insert right here.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

i like how every single time a new DC YA novel comes out people lose their fucking minds. DC as been doing this for near a year at this point, and it's all been bad. it's always been bad. remember a few months ago when we got asian bruce wayne? or what about the cassandra cain storyline that had bruce wayne removed from history because the author thought if batman existed and crime existed, then bruce isn't doing his job so bruce had to not exist for the story?

this isn't anything new. but it's always funny to see the reactions every time.

IIRC, the editor who was responsible for this direction and negotiated all these YA deals just got fired (probably once they got all the returned novels from the first wave of this dreck). So who knows if they stay the course on this once they gone through the backlog.

It really is sad that people don't go to DC or Marvel because they want to write about these fantastical characters they grew up reading with long, enduring legacies and legendary stories to their name, but instead just want to use these characters to write stories about their own mundane lives and shitty attitudes through fantastical characters as some sort of proxy to get someone to pay attention to them.

It's narcissism, pure and simple. These people believe they are the most fascinating, funniest, coolest people in the world and lack the ability to think of anything outside of themselves. It really is depressing how little both of the major companies care about their legacies.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I see a couple reasons for that.

1. Since this is pure self insert fiction, I'm guessing Mariko's dad wasn't a major part of her life (or at least she didn't feel he was) and so don't expect "Mandy"'s father to be any sort of presence if they are mentioned at all. I'm leaning towards the dad never being brought up for this next reason.
2. We all know who the dad SHOULD be. Even DC's casual audience knows that it should be Nightwing. But a) no fucking way would a child of Dick Grayson and Koriand'r be a fat gnome who vaguely resembles the bitter, middle-aged Asian catlady who wrote this drivel and b) DC has a bunch of Dick/Babs shippers (like Gail Simone) who will lose their shit at the idea of Dick ending up with anyone other than Barbara.

Honestly wonder if the Animated series is to blame for that? Barb hadn't been Batgirl since the 80s yet there was a big push to get her out of the chair and back in costume in the last two decades that finally happened in New 52,

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Wasn't there a Justice League story from the DCAU that dealt with some amazon going nuts and wanting to eradicate men for their evils and etc.?

I remember that from the cartoon because Hawkgirl called out Wonder Woman on her shit at one point.