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[Hummingbird]

>1950s
>gay and black characters on TV

I don’t think you thought this comparison through.

I mean they act like blacks are still treated like they were in the 1950s.

 

[Owlman]

I mean they act like blacks are still treated like they were in the 1950s.

I’m not sure how you would get that from them creating a new, black character for the show. I hear so many people complain about race-bending and saying that POC should just make their own characters instead of changing the race of a previously existing character.

Well, here you go. An original character who is also black. (But it does beg the question of why they didn’t use Sojourner Mullein from Far Sector)

Sperging aside, at the end of the day, the show seems to have some good talent attached and a much bigger budget than any CW show. I’m interested to see what an R-rated GL would look like, but maybe it will just have to wait and see.

 

[Cactuar King]

I mean they act like blacks are still treated like they were in the 1950s.

Because they want something to crusade against to show what Good Bois they are. Only problem is that the Civil Rights movement already happened and black people aren't getting lynched for stepping into the wrong diner anymore, so they have to pretend that's not the case to get their points.

 

[Hummingbird]

Because they want something to crusade against to show what Good Bois they are. Only problem is that the Civil Rights movement already happened and black people aren't getting lynched for stepping into the wrong diner anymore, so they have to pretend that's not the case to get their points.

Given there's a scene where the non-white female lantern is denied service at a restaurant due to her race in this day and age, I wouldn't be surprised if they fight the KKK who are out lynching blacks for fun. I worry that Alan Scott's closet homosexuality will be the main factor for him while Guy will be the strawman and the female will be never wrong and have no real flaws except an unlikable personality.

I hope they don't mess it up, but I've been burnt by modern comics and what they've done.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

I’m interested to see what an R-rated GL would look like

Absolution was sorta like that, but I know what you mean. Green Lantern with hard R scifi could be interesting. I just hope the quality is their main concern.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Yes, thats why they kept fucking with continuity till it became even bigger mess. Marvel's approach of "who cares, lets move on" has worked infinitely better than DC turning every bigger storyline into a story about continuity.

As for "slow decline", it doesn't mean that things just suddenly went to shit so obviously sales held up. It is like boiling the frog, people think that its fine till it is not and by that time it is too late to fix the situation. Thats where we have been for last 10-15 years.

I think DC should just take that approach but keep the wild multiverse shit for fun.

Yeah but you know what Morrison is and those guys aren’t?

Good.

I’m kidding those guys are great

lmao

Is it ok to talk about superhero TV shows as well, because the upcoming Green Lantern show is going to be woke-shit even if it has my favorite GL, Guy Gardner, in it. What is it with woke writers thinking it's still the 1950s when it comes to race?

Guy Gardner: SJW's Strawman but not really a strawman when he's right.

god if we get Guy Gardner was Right! memes out of this I'll die laughing.

Because they want something to crusade against to show what Good Bois they are. Only problem is that the Civil Rights movement already happened and black people aren't getting lynched for stepping into the wrong diner anymore, so they have to pretend that's not the case to get their points.

See, Guy Gardner is canonically brain damaged so any criticism the black and gay cast have on him is just pure ableism.

Given there's a scene where the non-white female lantern is denied service at a restaurant due to her race in this day and age, I wouldn't be surprised if they fight the KKK who are out lynching blacks for fun. I worry that Alan Scott's closet homosexuality will be the main factor for him while Guy will be the strawman and the female will be never wrong and have no real flaws except an unlikable personality.

I hope they don't mess it up, but I've been burnt by modern comics and what they've done.

I think it's either going to be crap, or it's going to be hilarious crap where they attempt to write Guy as a brainless jock who takes anti-left strawman points but then we all realize he's right.

Absolution was sorta like that, but I know what you mean. Green Lantern with hard R scifi could be interesting. I just hope the quality is their main concern.

GReen Lantern books have been begging for hard R sci fi for a long time.

 

[jspit2.0]

I think a lot of post crisis superman in the 80s was an interesting lesson on how it's important to figure out what to correct.

Definitely

Anyways Louise Simonson's work on Steel propelled him to being a respectable and beloved character. Hell idr clearly but the Superboy book in the 90s is mildly underrated for how fun it could be with all the Jack Kirby tributes and whatnot. (And uh, the whole "Angelic Supergirl" thing from the late 90s/early 2000s was at least memorable for the batshit insanity that it was.)

The Superboy book by Kessel and grummet is gold. Then Ron Marz happened.

I'm gonna say it here. I don't think we've ever gotten a Supergirl run that we could call "definitive", "memorable", or "remarkable". (Matrix Supergirl was a different thing. I'm talking classic Kara Zor-El) We've certainly gotten Steel, Superboy, and Superman runs that get remembered but I can't recall a Supergirl book or run that's been memorable.

Hmmm. I'm going to play. Definitive. No, there has yet to be that definitive Supergirl run. Memorable. Hell, the Jeph Loeb run was memorable twelve issues by Ian Churchill and Mike Turner on art. Lots of action. I'll always like it for the art alone. Remarkable. Kelly Puckett's run was great. Nine issues, heart felt and beautiful. Sterling Gates run was solid but hamstrung by New Krypton. But Supergirl #23-32 by Puckettis a buried gem on par with his Batgirl run..

anyways what other A and B list comic superheroes lack a notable run for people to talk about. I know Cloak and Dagger are just waiting for a really good writer to give them a definitive run or min series.

I wouldn't call Cloak and Dagger C list even. They're D list max.

A and B?

I don't know. What would you define as notable? Wonder Woman is a good example. She's B list easy. Had a ton of good, solid runs. But nothing that is truly definitive on the same level as Green Lantern Rebirth, Flash the Return of Barry, Batman Year One, and Man of Steel. Every writer seems to erase what's come before and start from scratch.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Well at least something good came out of that “I Am Not Starfire”.

 

[New Fag]

So my local charity shop just got a large stack of Marvel comics circa 2007 - 2012, any titles worth digging for?

 

[Giga_Nigga_28]

Is it ok to talk about superhero TV shows as well, because the upcoming Green Lantern show is going to be woke-shit even if it has my favorite GL, Guy Gardner, in it. What is it with woke writers thinking it's still the 1950s when it comes to race?

Assuming this is true how would it even work? Most GL stuff is set in space so homophobia, racism and sexism doesn't make any sense. Also wtf would they create another human GL ? *well mix-breed but y'know she's just going to be mostly human*. Jessica Cruz exists (and should be used more) and so does that other one from Far Sector, who by the way already has a the whole race-bait police brutality backstory, there's even Bendis' retarded teen lantern. I assume people are going to watch the show because they like the existing Green Lanterns not some Oc so why bother?

 

[Zaryiu]

I know I'll probably won't like the answer but I got into reading Judge Dredda some years ago (I don't remember how precisely how many years but i know it was between 1 and and 5 years ago) and 2000ad and I have been enjoying it but here's my question: Did the writers eventually start to push the same crap as the rest of the UK media/society?

In other words did it become as bad as the slop IDW pretend is Judge Dredd?

Assuming this is true how would it even work? Most GL stuff is set in space so homophobia, racism and sexism doesn't make any sense. Also wtf would they create another human GL ? *well mix-breed but y'know she's just going to be mostly human*. Jessica Cruz exists (and should be used more) and so does that other one from Far Sector, who by the way already has a the whole race-bait police brutality backstory, there's even Bendis' retarded teen lantern. I assume people are going to watch the show because they like the existing Green Lanterns not some Oc so why bother?

Because the "people" in charge hate evrrything and "must" push their bullshit into everything

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Definitely

The Superboy book by Kessel and grummet is gold. Then Ron Marz happened.

Hmmm. I'm going to play. Definitive. No, there has yet to be that definitive Supergirl run. Memorable. Hell, the Jeph Loeb run was memorable twelve issues by Ian Churchill and Mike Turner on art. Lots of action. I'll always like it for the art alone. Remarkable. Kelly Puckett's run was great. Nine issues, heart felt and beautiful. Sterling Gates run was solid but hamstrung by New Krypton. But Supergirl #23-32 by Puckettis a buried gem on par with his Batgirl run..


I wouldn't call Cloak and Dagger C list even. They're D list max.

A and B?

I don't know. What would you define as notable? Wonder Woman is a good example. She's B list easy. Had a ton of good, solid runs. But nothing that is truly definitive on the same level as Green Lantern Rebirth, Flash the Return of Barry, Batman Year One, and Man of Steel. Every writer seems to erase what's come before and start from scratch.

I mean Cloak and Dagger are low-key recognizeable and show up for stuff. They do need to be used more and there is potential.

A and B listers. A listers like the founding JLA members, major heroes and villains that headline books or major popular teams. B list would be like Wonder Girl, Steel, Kyle Rayner, Atom, Hawkman, etc. Dudes that are definately relevant but haven't recieved the constant attention that A listers have.

C list would be recognizeable fan faves like Ted Kord or Elongated Man. They're definately there and are associated with fun/notable comics runs or important events/team books in a positive light.

D list would be like, uhhh, stuff that's recognizable but hasn't been given a good shot. But still not hated. I'd probably place Cloak and Dagger here too. IMO this would probably go for stuff like giving long-standing members of JLA/JSA/Titans/etc. that aren't notable for solo runs or haven't gotten solo runs. Vixen, Gypsy, Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy, and Jakeem Thunder easily sort of qualify but are all sort of associated with A list teams and very enjoyable/popular runs of said teams.

Looker from the outsiders would be what I'd call a good D list DC hero that isn't associated with any mega popular thing they have. She was introduced in the OG run after Batman left and has some interesting plot potential that's been untapped despite being an Outsider in the 80s and 90s.

Well at least something good came out of that “I Am Not Starfire”.
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Sorry incels, the CHAD gets the Goth wife.

wait. . .

Guy Gardner's a chad. . .


edit: i couldn't clearly read the text so i thought she fuckin married some Chad Jock type lmfao.

So my local charity shop just got a large stack of Marvel comics circa 2007 - 2012, any titles worth digging for?

anything associated with the Annihilation event and subsequent sci-fi space opera stuff. It's fun shit.
uh, the winter solider stuff if you got it.

and the Infinity Event too.

that's off the top of my head.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

On the topic of fun comic ideas that we’ll never get, I came across this today.

Amp's Artblog

Oh spiderverse ocs are in fashion? Here’s a tired old man.

empatheticampersand.tumblr.com

 

[GoPro]

So, anything good come out with comics in the past 20 years? (Non tie in) Mini-series non withstanding cause I feel those tend to be pretty good most of the time. I'm talking main series comic book story lines. Stuff like Knightfall, The Original Clone Saga, that sort of thing. All I can think of is shit like Ultimatum, Heroes in Crisis, Final Crisis; shitty shit like that. Not even main line either. Even with something like Spider-Man, I can't find any actual substantial storylines aside from OG Clone Saga and the infamous 90's one. Well, maybe aside from Spider-Island, but that's also shit for the art alone which makes it unreadable.

Cosmic Marvel books from 2004 - 2011 were pretty damn good. They were written by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, and their work revitalized cosmic side of Marvel. Of course, that was ruined when DnA were let go and Bendis got the reins.
Reading orders:

Marvel Cosmic Reading Order - Comic Events in Space!

Marvel's more than superheroes running around NYC. Explore the STELLAR cosmic comics line with events like Annihilation and teams like Guardians of the Galaxy!

www.comicbookherald.com

I know I'll probably won't like the answer but I got into reading Judge Dredda some years ago (I don't remember how precisely how many years but i know it was between 1 and and 5 years ago) and 2000ad and I have been enjoying it but here's my question: Did the writers eventually start to push the same crap as the rest of the UK media/society?

In other words did it become as bad as the slop IDW pretend is Judge Dredd?

I got bored of Judge Dredd in late 2000s, so I do not exactly know how bad things got. They did insert Farage into the story, but I am not familiar with the full context. I do not like the guy, but going off of these panels alone it feels too on the nose, even for Judge Dredd.

 

[Zaryiu]

Cosmic Marvel books from 2004 - 2011 were pretty damn good. They were written by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, and their work revitalized cosmic side of Marvel. Of course, that was ruined when DnA were let go and Bendis got the reins.
Reading orders:

Marvel Cosmic Reading Order - Comic Events in Space!

Marvel's more than superheroes running around NYC. Explore the STELLAR cosmic comics line with events like Annihilation and teams like Guardians of the Galaxy!

www.comicbookherald.com

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I got bored of Judge Dredd in late 2000s, so I do not exactly know how bad things got. They did insert Farage into the story, but I am not familiar with the full context. I do not like the guy, but going off of these panels alone it feels too on the nose, even for Judge Dredd.

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Well that might or might not be as bad as it looka like since 2000AD has an history of taking shots at politicians (Margaret Thatcher being executed all the back in issue #1 back in 1977 by fictional invaders called Volgans, Tony Blair being lampooned as the monomaniacal superhero B.L.A.I.R in 1997 and Nemesis the Warlock ruthlessly satirising organised religion back in 1980 as examples) so there is precedent for this

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

So, is Bendis like the grim reaper of the modern comic book industry? Well, aside from all the other shit out there. I've heard after his stint at Marvel, he came to DC to do the same sort of uninformed story crafting? What's the deal with him?

 

[GranDuke]

His early Marvel stuff was popular, but not really good. At some point he got even worse and his popularity slowly went down. He is still treated by some as a big deal yet neither the quality nor the sales of his work warrant it any longer. He is basically going on fumes for last 10 years or so. Ideally once his DC run wraps up his "star" status will be destroyed for good.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

He did a really good Daredevil run that revitalized the character, and his Ultimate Spider-Man gets a lot of love although that went on... like five times longer than it should have and is the book where you can see his talent slowly declining over the years. His New Avengers was also popular at first but I remember people largely losing interest in it after the first few arcs.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

So, is Bendis like the grim reaper of the modern comic book industry? Well, aside from all the other shit out there. I've heard after his stint at Marvel, he came to DC to do the same sort of uninformed story crafting? What's the deal with him?

he's been kinda maybe ok at best but Marvel let him get away with too much.

His early Marvel stuff was popular, but not really good. At some point he got even worse and his popularity slowly went down. He is still treated by some as a big deal yet neither the quality nor the sales of his work warrant it any longer. He is basically going on fumes for last 10 years or so. Ideally once his DC run wraps up his "star" status will be destroyed for good.

Daredevil was fun, Ultimate Spidey was fun.

He did a really good Daredevil run that revitalized the character, and his Ultimate Spider-Man gets a lot of love although that went on... like five times longer than it should have and is the book where you can see his talent slowly declining over the years. His New Avengers was also popular at first but I remember people largely losing interest in it after the first few arcs.

imo the problem is that Bendis never really clicked and did anything truly in-depth. Surface level, he's good at times, but he's incredibly bland when you keep reading him.

someone fixed it.

OG art still bomb on some level tho

 

[Cyber Bowling]

His early Marvel stuff was popular, but not really good. At some point he got even worse and his popularity slowly went down. He is still treated by some as a big deal yet neither the quality nor the sales of his work warrant it any longer. He is basically going on fumes for last 10 years or so. Ideally once his DC run wraps up his "star" status will be destroyed for good.

This is a pretty spot on summary, though I think I'd be a little more generous and say his earlier stuff was at least "alright", with some stuff genuinely being solid. I think part of the problem is he ended up being given too much freedom by the higher ups. It feels like Bendis can sometimes come up with good ideas or pitches, but he can't really follow through on the idea. I think he'd really benefit from either an editor or writing partner or whatever where he could bounce ideas off of, but could also call him out on the duds.

The other thing with Bendis is he tends to work best with his own characters/worlds. He could write Ultimate Spider-Man well because that was his own little playground. But if he tried to do the 616 version, he'd want to ignore all the stuff/continuity he didn't like and just write his own thing. And that can work, I wouldn't expect every writer to know every little detail of a character, but they should at least be vaguely aware of what happened a few issues before, and have a general feel for where the character was before they took over. I really think the best thing to do is give Bendis projects where he can focus on either brand new people, or some older C-listers nobody really cares about, but instead he kept getting put on projects with flagship characters.