mate, if i was attacking you, i'd just call you a nigger and be done with it. we're discussing comics, not having a debate or a fist fight, relax.
Soooo, he doesn't change or grow or is effected by the plot?said he was manipulative. i don't recall saying he was whatever he needs to be for his goals. think you're misunderstanding my point in talking about how Butcher treats homosexuals, my point was while he may be a cunt and call them faggots and the like in private, he isn't an outright asshole to actually be discriminatory to them in person.
yeah Butcher doesn't have an arc through out the boys, he already had his arc before the story takes place, from his childhood to the war to meeting Becky to losing her was his arc.
Whereas good writing weaves that point into the story, show don't tell style.does he though? it's pointed out, in the story, that Butcher never does anything with out direct reason to do so.
Anti-hero.The entire timing of him telling Hughie about his wife for example is possibly to manipulate Hughie.
i'm not sure you understood the story if you think Butcher was being used as a hero.
It's an Ennis comic. They're all on the spectrum and finding a decent person is akin to scouring Sodom for one.Multiple characters state how Butcher is kind of a fucking psycho.
You're repeating again. Ennis goes out of his way to show that Butcher is the bad man we need to take on the bad men of the Seven.Mallory for example essentially outright states how Butcher stole the boys for him to create a perpetual war machine, or so he thought.
and if your response is "well the story treats him like a hero" again I'm not sure how the story can treat him as the hero when everyone in said story calls him a rabid psycho.
I'm not quibbling at this point over villain/antagonist. The ending feels forced and he stretched the story out. You want to defend Butcher as a character, for some reason. I've explained my problems with him. I don't think he's well defined, I think his motives are pretty basic. He's more generic than anything else. But again, if you share in Ennis' views, your going to get some take that moments from the Boys. It's all just really hollowdid you mean to say others may see him as the villain? either way, no. in terms of what an antagonist is, Butcher is it. He's the primary driving force of the bad things happening in the comic. that's what an antagonist is. a villain and an antagonist are two different things.
okay, why is he not the antagonist then? just saying something isn't true doesn't mean it isn't. so why is he not the antagonist of the story?
And repeating, again. He's the antagonist when he needs to be. He's whatever Ennis wants. He's that loosely constructed.
and you can think something is bad that I enjoy. i'm not getting personally offended over that.
sucks to be you then, huh?
Yet you seem intent on pointing out what an amazing masterpiece Garth Ennis' mastrubatory opus is. Hell, maybe it's just mediocre. But for me, the Boys was what Moore pilled me on Ennis.
I'm like Neo, I was stuck in the Enitrix. I'm now awake. Feels pretty good.