Springtrapp - Batshit Otherkin Pedophile Sadist and Her Brainwashed Child Bride

nice time said:
another one.

I'm going to split this one into three parts, though, it's easier to take in that way.
warning: a shit load of text incoming.

(admittingly, I could have handled this scenario better, I won't lie about that.)

the context to this is... kind of confusing? I don't want to post the whole thing for personal reasons.
basically, I asked to talk about a movie I liked, and I was being ignored and talked over, so I got kind of sad about it.
(obligatory "I have a lot of mental health problems" disclaimer.)
his response to me being upset was telling me I'm "freaking out" by being sad. here's the ensuing conversation.
[8/5/2014 2:29:53 AM] Lawrence: That was shitty. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
[8/5/2014 2:30:09 AM] Redacted: Stop apologizing. It's not helping.
[8/5/2014 2:30:15 AM] Lawrence: I can't
[8/5/2014 2:30:18 AM] Lawrence: IO literally cannot stop
[8/5/2014 2:30:43 AM] Lawrence: I know I fucked up and I know it's not heling but I can't stop
[8/5/2014 2:31:21 AM] Redacted: Do whatever you want.
[8/5/2014 2:31:26 AM] Lawrence: I don't want to
[8/5/2014 2:31:40 AM] Lawrence: I'll talk to you about it I'm sorry
[8/5/2014 2:31:49 AM] Lawrence: I'm sorry you felt ignored
[8/5/2014 2:32:01 AM] Redacted: I don't want to.
[8/5/2014 2:32:17 AM] Lawrence: WHy not?
[8/5/2014 2:32:26 AM] Redacted: I don't want to anymore.
[8/5/2014 2:32:32 AM] Lawrence: Okay
[8/5/2014 2:32:36 AM] Lawrence: I'm sorry for fucking up
[8/5/2014 2:33:22 AM] Lawrence: It's my fault, I fucked up, and you did nothing wrong
[8/5/2014 2:33:32 AM] Redacted: I know I didn't.
[8/5/2014 2:33:56 AM] Lawrence: I want to talk about you with your interests, you could have asked me.
[8/5/2014 2:34:03 AM] Redacted: I DID.
[8/5/2014 2:34:18 AM] Lawrence: I didn't see it I literally didn't and by the time you told me you were already upset
[8/5/2014 2:34:32 AM] Redacted: How was I supposed to know that.
[8/5/2014 2:34:34 AM] Redacted: Please tell me.
[8/5/2014 2:34:38 AM] Lawrence: You weren't.
[8/5/2014 2:34:56 AM] Lawrence: I'm not saying you were in the wrong I literally was.
[8/5/2014 2:35:18 AM] Lawrence: I'm sorry
[8/5/2014 2:36:37 AM] Lawrence: i can disappear if you'd like
[8/5/2014 2:36:48 AM] Redacted: I never said that.
[8/5/2014 2:36:51 AM] Lawrence: i know
[8/5/2014 2:37:02 AM] Lawrence: but i fucked up hard this time and didn't mean to and ruined us and i should disappear
[8/5/2014 2:37:14 AM] Redacted: You didn't ruin us.
[8/5/2014 2:37:22 AM] Lawrence: yes i did
[8/5/2014 2:37:34 AM] Redacted: You didn't.
[8/5/2014 2:37:39 AM] Redacted: I'm hurt but we're not ruined.
[8/5/2014 2:38:07 AM] Lawrence: i think what i said came out wrong and i didnt mean for it to be so ass holey
[8/5/2014 2:38:17 AM] Redacted: I can't see how that's possible.
[8/5/2014 2:38:35 AM] Lawrence: i just meant to say that no one else in the chat except me has seen the movie
[8/5/2014 2:39:00 AM] Redacted: So you're telling me that being sad is me freaking out.
[8/5/2014 2:39:02 AM] Lawrence: adding the last snarky part was totally unnesccary and shitty on my end
[8/5/2014 2:39:18 AM] Lawrence: no it's not
[8/5/2014 2:39:33 AM] Lawrence: that's what i'm saying was that it was shitty and i shouldn't have even said that
[8/5/2014 2:39:48 AM] Redacted: Lol, you think.
[8/5/2014 2:40:18 AM] Lawrence: yes it was shitty
[8/5/2014 2:40:30 AM] Lawrence: i would not be surprised if you dumped me

[8/5/2014 2:41:15 AM] Lawrence: i'm sorry
[8/5/2014 2:41:29 AM] Lawrence: i wouldnt be surprised if you dumped me and made a callout post about me
[8/5/2014 2:41:38 AM] Redacted: I'm not going to.
[8/5/2014 2:41:52 AM] Lawrence: you want to
[8/5/2014 2:42:01 AM] Redacted: No.
[8/5/2014 2:42:08 AM] Lawrence: youre just scared im going to off myself
[8/5/2014 2:42:22 AM] Redacted: No I'm not.
[8/5/2014 2:42:43 AM] Lawrence: i understand if you dont love me anymore
[8/5/2014 2:42:55 AM] Redacted: Stop making shit up.
[8/5/2014 2:43:05 AM] Lawrence: im allowed to be paranoid
[8/5/2014 2:43:37 AM] Lawrence: im allowed to tell you that i understand if you do that
[8/5/2014 2:43:47 AM] Redacted: Ok.
[8/5/2014 2:44:34 AM] Lawrence: i just understand
[8/5/2014 2:44:36 AM] Lawrence: i rerally do
[8/5/2014 2:44:46 AM] Lawrence: you cant say im not abusive anymore because i am
[8/5/2014 2:44:53 AM] Redacted: You're not.
[8/5/2014 2:45:07 AM] Lawrence: stop lying to yourself please
[8/5/2014 2:45:18 AM] Redacted: I'm not.
[8/5/2014 2:45:22 AM] Lawrence: saying what i just said is a step behind what [abuser] said
[8/5/2014 2:45:31 AM] Redacted: Stop.
[8/5/2014 2:45:37 AM] Lawrence: you can say i'm abusive
[8/5/2014 2:45:39 AM] Lawrence: i will work on it
[8/5/2014 2:45:42 AM] Lawrence: i won't get offended
[8/5/2014 2:45:46 AM] Lawrence: i will control my anger
[8/5/2014 2:45:50 AM] Redacted: Stop.
[8/5/2014 2:45:53 AM] Lawrence: ill watch my mouth
[8/5/2014 2:46:18 AM] Redacted: You're not abusive but you need to not fucking snap at me for being sad.
[8/5/2014 2:47:16 AM] Lawrence: i know and i have no idea why i get upset
[8/5/2014 2:48:43 AM] Lawrence: i really dont know
[8/5/2014 2:48:53 AM] Lawrence: i dont know and i always feel like shit after
[8/5/2014 2:48:58 AM] Lawrence: it happens and i dont know why
[8/5/2014 2:49:06 AM] Redacted: I don't know either.
[8/5/2014 2:49:23 AM] Lawrence: i dont know
[8/5/2014 2:49:29 AM] Lawrence: you can talk about [movie]
[8/5/2014 2:49:33 AM] Lawrence: i want you to
[8/5/2014 2:50:04 AM] Redacted: I don't want to.
[8/5/2014 2:50:10 AM] Lawrence: but i want you to
[8/5/2014 2:50:34 AM] Lawrence: [friend] didnt see the message either
[8/5/2014 2:50:39 AM] Redacted: Ok?
[8/5/2014 2:50:54 AM] Lawrence: i was just telling you no one was ignoring you
[8/5/2014 2:51:13 AM] Redacted: Ok.
[8/5/2014 2:51:20 AM] Lawrence: sorry
[8/5/2014 2:51:25 AM] Lawrence: that was shitting of me too i guess
[8/5/2014 2:51:29 AM] Lawrence: shitty
[8/5/2014 2:51:30 AM] Redacted: What?
[8/5/2014 2:51:39 AM] Lawrence: i guess saying that was shitty?
[8/5/2014 2:51:44 AM] Lawrence: the thing about [friend]
[8/5/2014 2:52:02 AM] Redacted: I don't understand why but sure???
[8/5/2014 2:52:15 AM] Lawrence: you got upset again
[8/5/2014 2:52:23 AM] Redacted: ?????? No I didn't?????/
[8/5/2014 2:52:28 AM] Redacted: I had no idea why you said it.
[8/5/2014 2:52:35 AM] Lawrence: usually when you just say ok you're upset
[8/5/2014 2:52:47 AM] Redacted: I said ok because ok.
[8/5/2014 2:52:57 AM] Lawrence: idk i think i'm going to stop playing [game] forever
[8/5/2014 2:53:06 AM] Redacted: ...??? Ok.
[8/5/2014 2:53:20 AM] Lawrence: all it leads to is me ignoring you so i wont play it anymore
[8/5/2014 2:53:29 AM] Redacted: Sure then.
[8/5/2014 2:53:31 AM] Lawrence: not like it's fun anyway
[8/5/2014 2:53:42 AM] Redacted: ??? Lol ok.
[8/5/2014 2:53:46 AM] Lawrence: what?
[8/5/2014 2:53:52 AM] Lawrence: why are you getting upset over this ??
[8/5/2014 2:53:58 AM] Lawrence: i'm just trying to pay more attention to you
[8/5/2014 2:54:24 AM] Redacted: Because your reasons are bullshit and you know you don't believe tthem. If it wasn't fun for you then you wouldn't keep playing it.
[8/5/2014 2:54:29 AM] Redacted: I don't care if you keep playing.
[8/5/2014 2:54:50 AM] Lawrence: if you want me to stop playing it i will
[8/5/2014 2:55:00 AM] Redacted: I never said that.
[8/5/2014 2:55:01 AM] Lawrence: just tell me what to do
[8/5/2014 2:55:07 AM] Redacted: No.
8/5/2014 2:55:13 AM] Lawrence: please tell me how i can stop these fights they're starting to hurt my mental health
[8/5/2014 2:55:28 AM] Redacted: Don't ask me.
[8/5/2014 2:55:44 AM] Lawrence: i donmt undrtstadn what that means
[8/5/2014 2:55:59 AM] Redacted: I don't know what to tell you.
[8/5/2014 2:56:03 AM] Redacted: I'm not you. I'm not in your head.
[8/5/2014 2:56:14 AM] Redacted: I don't know how to stop whatever is going on.
[8/5/2014 2:56:22 AM] Lawrence: that
[8/5/2014 2:56:27 AM] Lawrence: made me feel a little shitty actually um
[8/5/2014 2:56:34 AM] Lawrence: i dont like that wording it feels gross to me idk
[8/5/2014 2:56:40 AM] Redacted: ...?? I don't understand why?
[8/5/2014 2:56:45 AM] Lawrence: i doint know it just hurt
[8/5/2014 2:56:48 AM] Lawrence: a lot idk
[8/5/2014 2:57:19 AM] Redacted: I'm sorry? I don't understand how anything I said was bad?
[8/5/2014 2:57:36 AM] Lawrence: i dont know i think the truth just hurts
[8/5/2014 2:57:37 AM] Redacted: I don't know how to help you stop whatever you're feeling if I'm not you.
[8/5/2014 2:57:55 AM] Lawrence: i think it was the "whatever is going on" it sounded ableist and like you were blaming my psychosis
[8/5/2014 2:58:06 AM] Lawrence: because of the whole "i'm not in your head" thing
[8/5/2014 2:58:18 AM] Redacted: I don't see how that's ableist at all.
[8/5/2014 2:58:18 AM] Lawrence: that isn't your fault though
[8/5/2014 2:58:26 AM] Redacted: I mean your mind, your thoughts, not your mental disorders.
[8/5/2014 2:58:37 AM] Lawrence: i know.
[8/5/2014 2:58:42 AM] Lawrence: that's why i said it wasn't your fault
[8/5/2014 2:59:31 AM] Lawrence: it wasnt your fault you worded it funny and sounded ableist it really isnt
[8/5/2014 2:59:40 AM] Redacted: Ok.
[8/5/2014 3:00:06 AM] Lawrence: just tell me what to do i dont want to lose you
[8/5/2014 3:00:15 AM] Lawrence: i did this with [ex] and it worked for a while too
[8/5/2014 3:00:28 AM] Lawrence: he told me to stop trying to force him not to play games and being so needy
[8/5/2014 3:00:30 AM] Lawrence: so just give me goals
[8/5/2014 3:00:34 AM] Lawrence: tell me what to do please
[8/5/2014 3:00:36 AM] Redacted: No.
[8/5/2014 3:00:46 AM] Lawrence: please just give me goals i dont know how to help myself
[8/5/2014 3:00:53 AM] Lawrence: i dont want to lose you
[8/5/2014 3:01:01 AM] Redacted: I don't know how to help you either.
[8/5/2014 3:01:12 AM] Redacted: Like I said. I don't know what goes on in your thoughts. I can't help.
[8/5/2014 3:01:20 AM] Lawrence: im scared
[8/5/2014 3:01:52 AM] Lawrence: im scared im going to lose you
[8/5/2014 3:02:12 AM] Lawrence: from now on i wont get upset at you being sad, i'll redirect that weird irrational anger somewhere else
[8/5/2014 3:02:21 AM] Redacted: Ok.
[8/5/2014 3:02:33 AM] Lawrence: am i going to lose you?
[8/5/2014 3:02:38 AM] Redacted: No.
[8/5/2014 3:02:44 AM] Lawrence: are you sure?
[8/5/2014 3:03:14 AM] Redacted: Yes.
[8/5/2014 3:04:21 AM] Lawrence: im still scared
[8/5/2014 3:04:31 AM] Lawrence: i know it's getting to the pioint where you want to dump me
[8/5/2014 3:04:38 AM] Redacted: It's not.

[8/5/2014 3:04:47 AM] Lawrence: youre getting tired of my shit
[8/5/2014 3:04:49 AM] Lawrence: youve changed
[8/5/2014 3:04:51 AM] Lawrence: and thats ok
[8/5/2014 3:04:56 AM] Lawrence: its good to stand up for yourself
[8/5/2014 3:05:03 AM] Lawrence: i wouldnt recognize my abusive behavior otherwise
[8/5/2014 3:06:48 AM] Redacted: I'm not going to lay down and give up if I know I did nothing wrong.
[8/5/2014 3:07:16 AM] Lawrence: and i wouldnt know about my emotionally abusive behavior if you dint stand up for yourself
[8/5/2014 3:07:20 AM] Lawrence: youve gotten better
[8/5/2014 3:07:24 AM] Lawrence: you really have and i'm proud
[8/5/2014 3:07:39 AM] Redacted: Thanks I guess.
[8/5/2014 3:07:52 AM] Lawrence: im sorry is that not good did i fuck up again
[8/5/2014 3:07:57 AM] Lawrence: im trying to watch my words
[8/5/2014 3:08:06 AM] Redacted: No.
[8/5/2014 3:08:13 AM] Redacted: I don't know how else to reply to that though.
[8/5/2014 3:08:32 AM] Lawrence: i dont know it sounds bad now that i read it
[8/5/2014 3:08:33 AM] Lawrence: sorry
[8/5/2014 3:08:43 AM] Redacted: It's not.
[8/5/2014 3:08:54 AM] Lawrence: you have been nothing but kind to me and you dont deserve my abusive treatment
[8/5/2014 3:13:22 AM] Lawrence: i'm sorry
[8/5/2014 3:13:35 AM] Redacted: It's fine.


HE TOLD ME HE WAS PROUD OF ME FOR STANDING UP TO HIS ABUSE.
fucking asshole.

I've grown up with abusive family members, without giving out too many details. whenever we would fight like this, it would always end with me saying "it's fine", or "it's ok", and that's exactly how I would speak with my abusive family members when things would happen.
a lot of our relationship felt like an echo of the way my family treated me, and the way I reacted to them, and it scared me a lot. I didn't realize that until the end, though, which is a major part in why I got out.
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Jesus Christ, Spring's about as subtle as a brick to the face.

May I ask what it was that drew you to Spring in the first place? She doesn't seem to have any talents or any kind of wit, but there had to have been some initial charm to draw you in.
 
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Meowthkip said:
Jesus Christ, Spring's about as subtle as a brick to the face.

May I ask what it was that drew you to Spring in the first place? She doesn't seem to have any talents or any kind of wit, but there had to have been some initial charm to draw you in.
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like I've said before, I knew him for a while. I was 17-18 when we first met, I'm 21 now.
we had a lot of mutual fandoms and interests, and I thought he was just a cool guy to talk to. I've always had a hard time trying to make friends, and we got along well, so that made me happy.

I wouldn't say it was a charm, nor do I think there was anything special about him. we had stuff in common, we talked on occasion, and it ended up going from there.

I regret it a lot.
 
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nice time said:
I regret it a lot.
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I'm sorry. I've been in that kind of situation myself. It's not easy.
Was there a particular event that made you cut off contact/realize they were a huge sack of manipulative crazy?
 
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I'm sorry. I've been in that kind of situation myself. It's not easy.
Was there a particular event that made you cut off contact/realize they were a huge sack of manipulative crazy?
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like @Wumbology said earlier, he loves meeting new people and throwing people away. after months of being ignored, and months of near constant fighting and arguing, and being treated like shit, I couldn't do it anymore.

another thing worth noting:
I had told him I didn't want him to follow my blog anymore, and he unfollowed.
I made a few posts about him here and there, because I mean... a wasted a lot of my life in this guy, god forbid I was upset about it, right?
a few weeks later, he had texted me and went on this rant about how I'M the abusive one, how I was the one who hurt him, and then manipulated me into apologizing to him. and made me admit to him that it was all my fault.
he won't accept blame for his own actions. it is easier to label someone else as abusive, and move on with your life to him.
I deleted his number a while ago, and I think the conversation went with it, unfortunately.
 
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Spring needs to get bent, like that level of manipulation and sleaze is not something that can be chalked up to any mental illness that gets slapped on by that... ugh. It's inexcusable on every level and it's pretty horrid. How people like this even have the gall to play victim - sheesh where do they keep coming from?

More grats to you @nice time for bailing.

See I just had the closest thing to a fight I have in my relationship this morning in fact. I had been off my meds for a few days because I have been a mix of too busy and too broke to get them and withdrawal with those kick harder than a mule with roid rage. I get so horrendously nasty and needlessly venomous because my mental state goes off the rails and it's not anything I can really control, so I generally know better and isolate myself til the bad mood (understatement) blows over so I don't hurt anyone. Today I had to go out, and my partner came with for support because I was also physically wrecked so it wasn't particularly safe for me to wander alone.

I treated them so rudely and while my anger at everything wasn't at them, it still harmed them. I was being a straight up bitch for reasons that my now-clear head can't even begin to dredge up. Not acceptable at all, not by a long shot. They called me on it, basically said hey Bird I know this is the meds but calm the fuck down you're being horrible and this isn't you. I took the time I needed to cool off and then apologized, owning up to something I had about maybe 5% control of in that state.

While it was near impossible for me to control my feelings and whatever during my shit I still didn't blame my meds, saying it was their fault, or god forbid pull the "but mental illness!!!" card. On the flip side being an emotionally manipulative shitbag intentionally saying shit like "you should leave me" or "tell me I am horrible" garbage always puts the other on the defensive when you're the one who should be in that position* owning up to your bullshit. When you get called on something, you don't make it about you. You make sure you take care of the damage you did and that's that.

That, my friends, is how you maintain good relationships as a Certifiably Fucked Up In The Head person who is dating someone Also Fucked Up but to a lesser degree.

*ideally you would be on level ground anyway because any good relationship is based on that, but obviously with outlandishly abusive assholes like Spring when they skew the power dynamic in their favour you need to kick them down a peg or seven.
 
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I skimmed but I dunno, he only got abusive and neglectful towards the end. I'll do more in depth reading later.
He was nice to me. He made me happy. It's an abuse tactic to lure people in and keep them I guess.
I can say however when I got avoidant or needed to isolate myself that he wouldn't let me leave and threaten to kill himself. That's about all I can remember.
 
The fucking gall on Spring! The fucking gall! This "catastrophize hurting/offending someone such that they have to comfort you instead" thing is classic abusive manipulation. I know you're not proud of your part in this, @nice time, but for my money, you handled it in about the best way you could given that you weren't ready to give Spring the kiss-off at that point. It's a hard thing to stand up for yourself in that situation, but it's noble that you tried.
 
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a little bit more.

context:
I told him I wanted a break. I wasn't sure how to end things at this point, and I still had hope, so that seemed like the better option.
first is my original message to him. there's a small part snipped between my message, and the rest of the chatlog. it seems a bit too personal to post, sorry.
(please don't judge me for being optimistic and positive towards him in my first message. I was a petty piece of shit. reading it now makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.)

[11/17/2014 12:02:31 AM] Redacted: Before you read all of this and panic: I’m not breaking up with you. Not at all. That’s not what this is, so please do not panic or get anxious while you read this. Or at least try not to.
I think we should take a small break. Nothing big, nothing major. The thing is, I do not feel wanted, nor do I feel loved. Anytime I have come to you about this in the past, it was resolved within a few days. I have come to you about this so many times in the last few months, and it’s only getting worse and worse.
Maybe a break is what we need. Or, at least, it’s what *I* need. I think we need time to think about our relationship, or what you want from me, or what you expect from me. Because I feel alone. Always. I shouldn’t feel alone with my own partner, but I do, and I hate it. So maybe we need time to think over our future, if you still plan for us to have one.
I still love you, and that’s why I don’t want to END it, because I WANT to be with you. I DO. But I can’t stand feeling like this all the time. It’s ruining me. I’m falling apart so badly and I hate it I hate it.
I’m sorry if this makes you hate me. I’m not doing this out of badness. I’m doing it out of love. I wouldn’t even consider doing this if I didn’t love you.
Idk. I’m sorry. Please don't hate me. I'm sorry.

(he had made a Tumblr post about wanting to kill himself.)


[11/17/2014 12:54:49 AM] Redacted: Do you... have anything else to say? or.
[11/17/2014 12:55:00 AM] Lawrence: i'm sorry i'm
[11/17/2014 12:55:06 AM] Lawrence: it's setting in and i'm not very ok right now
[11/17/2014 12:55:51 AM] Redacted: ??? I don't understand why you're saying you're going to kill yourself???
[11/17/2014 12:56:00 AM] Lawrence: i'm upset
[11/17/2014 12:56:27 AM] Redacted: I don't understand why.
[11/17/2014 12:56:39 AM] Lawrence: because you just essentially dumped me
[11/17/2014 12:56:51 AM] Redacted: .....................................
[11/17/2014 12:57:00 AM] Lawrence: i am upset
[11/17/2014 12:57:04 AM] Lawrence: i also feel worthless
[11/17/2014 12:57:08 AM] Lawrence: i am allowed to want to kill myself
[11/17/2014 12:57:20 AM] Lawrence: i understand why you say we are taking a break
[11/17/2014 12:57:28 AM] Lawrence: i understand and agree but i can still feel worthless about it
[11/17/2014 12:58:05 AM] Redacted: Ok but... you have to realise that me coming to you about problems we're having, and your immediate reaction is to post about wanting to kill yourself... That is a method of manipulation, whether intentional or not.
[11/17/2014 12:58:15 AM] Lawrence: yes i know it is
[11/17/2014 12:58:28 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to manipulate you
[11/17/2014 12:58:31 AM] Lawrence: at all
[11/17/2014 12:58:37 AM] Redacted: ... But you ARE. That's what I'm saying.
[11/17/2014 12:58:44 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to
[11/17/2014 12:58:50 AM] Redacted: Yes but you ARE.
[11/17/2014 12:59:28 AM] Lawrence: ok but it is not intentional and i am allwoed to be suicidal
[11/17/2014 12:59:35 AM] Lawrence: i am allowed to ask for attention because i am suciidal
[11/17/2014 12:59:54 AM] Redacted: ??? When did I say you weren't allowed to ask for attention?
[11/17/2014 1:00:03 AM] Redacted: You're twisting my words and still trying to make me feel guilty.
[11/17/2014 1:00:08 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to
[11/17/2014 1:00:18 AM] Lawrence: you said i am posting about wanting to kill myself and therefor manipulating you
[11/17/2014 1:00:48 AM] Redacted: Holy shit you're twisting what I'm saying. That's NOT what I meant.
[11/17/2014 1:00:56 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to i am just asking for attention because i am upset which leads to me wanting to be impulsive and murder myself
[11/17/2014 1:00:58 AM] Lawrence: does that make sense?
[11/17/2014 1:02:49 AM] Redacted: I know what it means. I am still saying that your actions and behaviours to me being upset, and me calling it out, is manipulative. And, like I said, whether intentional or not, it still is.
[11/17/2014 1:03:20 AM] Lawrence: okay and i am saying i am sorry but i cant help it and would rather get attention than suffer quietly
[11/17/2014 1:03:47 AM] Lawrence: i apologize for it being manipualtive but i literally cannot help it
[11/17/2014 1:05:16 AM] Lawrence: idk i dont want to suffer quietly i want attention right now and comfort and being the slightest bit upset is making me impulsive
[11/17/2014 1:05:22 AM] Lawrence: i apologize for being impulsive
[11/17/2014 1:07:02 AM] Lawrence: i completely understand what you are talking about, and i agree and i will work on it but that does not change the fact that i am upset and me being upset is forcing my bpd to do strange things right now.
[11/17/2014 1:07:18 AM] Lawrence: i do not want you to feel guilty, take it back, or get angry.
[11/17/2014 1:07:37 AM] Redacted: That doesn't stop the fact that I AM HURTING because of it. Manipulation is manipulation, period. I am trying to look out for myself. That is why I messaged you in the first place. That is why I am doing what I am doing. But you are making me feel like shit and feel like I deserve to die for wanting to look out for myself. For once in my life.
[11/17/2014 1:07:53 AM] Lawrence: no you dont deserve to die
[11/17/2014 1:08:04 AM] Lawrence: why can't you try to understand what i am saying i dont want to suffer in silence
[11/17/2014 1:08:40 AM] Lawrence: i am saying i understand
[11/17/2014 1:08:47 AM] Lawrence: i just wanted to have some attention and comfort
[11/17/2014 1:08:52 AM] Lawrence: i am sorry
[11/17/2014 1:10:27 AM] Lawrence: i understand what you are saying
[11/17/2014 1:10:44 AM] Lawrence: i completely do and i am not trying to make you feel guilty
[11/17/2014 1:11:13 AM] Lawrence: i was vague enough so no one even knows what happened
[11/17/2014 1:11:23 AM] Redacted: ... That doesn't matter. /I/ know. /I/ know it is about me.
[11/17/2014 1:12:03 AM] Lawrence: i understand that it was wrong to post for attention
[11/17/2014 1:12:07 AM] Lawrence: i just did not want to be alone
 
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nice time said:
[11/17/2014 1:07:37 AM] Redacted: That doesn't stop the fact that I AM HURTING because of it. Manipulation is manipulation, period. I am trying to look out for myself. That is why I messaged you in the first place. That is why I am doing what I am doing. But you are making me feel like shit and feel like I deserve to die for wanting to look out for myself. For once in my life.
[11/17/2014 1:07:53 AM] Lawrence: no you dont deserve to die
[11/17/2014 1:08:04 AM] Lawrence: why can't you try to understand what i am saying i dont want to suffer in silence
[11/17/2014 1:08:40 AM] Lawrence: i am saying i understand
[11/17/2014 1:08:47 AM] Lawrence: i just wanted to have some attention and comfort
[11/17/2014 1:08:52 AM] Lawrence: i am sorry
[11/17/2014 1:10:27 AM] Lawrence: i understand what you are saying
[11/17/2014 1:10:44 AM] Lawrence: i completely do and i am not trying to make you feel guilty
[11/17/2014 1:11:13 AM] Lawrence: i was vague enough so no one even knows what happened
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"But why can't you understand this is making me hurt? Why are you so selfish this is hurting meee this is all about meeeeee my hurt my anguish comfort me you're a horrible friend but i'm so broken up me me me me me me"

What a fucking cocksmear.
 
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Animocity said:
Nice to know that Lawrence still pulls the same shit he pulled on @nice time to this date. Christ.
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Animocity said:
He was nice to me. He made me happy. It's an abuse tactic to lure people in and keep them I guess.
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One more time so those of us in the back insisting "it's in the past!!" and "he's better to me than anyone else has been!!" can hear you.

nice time said:
(please don't judge me for being optimistic and positive towards him in my first message. I was a petty piece of shit. reading it now makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.)
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It's pretty understandable, especially considering how she reacted to you putting it like that, I can't imagine what she would have done if you said "fuck you I'm done".
 
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Animocity said:
God. Even I can vouch for this and I only knew him for about a year. I'm sure a lot of people have transcripts of just messaging him for days with no answer, because that's how far he'd go to neglect people.
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Wumbology said:
I'm definitely one of those people. Spans of days with no reply whatsoever, and could be longer if you discredit the days between that had maybe a "hi' and then nothing else.
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nice time said:
(he had made a Tumblr post about wanting to kill himself.)


[11/17/2014 12:54:49 AM] Redacted: Do you... have anything else to say? or.
[11/17/2014 12:55:00 AM] Lawrence: i'm sorry i'm
[11/17/2014 12:55:06 AM] Lawrence: it's setting in and i'm not very ok right now
[11/17/2014 12:55:51 AM] Redacted: ??? I don't understand why you're saying you're going to kill yourself???
[11/17/2014 12:56:00 AM] Lawrence: i'm upset
[11/17/2014 12:56:27 AM] Redacted: I don't understand why.
[11/17/2014 12:56:39 AM] Lawrence: because you just essentially dumped me
[11/17/2014 12:56:51 AM] Redacted: .....................................
[11/17/2014 12:57:00 AM] Lawrence: i am upset
[11/17/2014 12:57:04 AM] Lawrence: i also feel worthless
[11/17/2014 12:57:08 AM] Lawrence: i am allowed to want to kill myself
[11/17/2014 12:57:20 AM] Lawrence: i understand why you say we are taking a break
[11/17/2014 12:57:28 AM] Lawrence: i understand and agree but i can still feel worthless about it
[11/17/2014 12:58:05 AM] Redacted: Ok but... you have to realise that me coming to you about problems we're having, and your immediate reaction is to post about wanting to kill yourself... That is a method of manipulation, whether intentional or not.
[11/17/2014 12:58:15 AM] Lawrence: yes i know it is
[11/17/2014 12:58:28 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to manipulate you
[11/17/2014 12:58:31 AM] Lawrence: at all
[11/17/2014 12:58:37 AM] Redacted: ... But you ARE. That's what I'm saying.
[11/17/2014 12:58:44 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to
[11/17/2014 12:58:50 AM] Redacted: Yes but you ARE.
[11/17/2014 12:59:28 AM] Lawrence: ok but it is not intentional and i am allwoed to be suicidal
[11/17/2014 12:59:35 AM] Lawrence: i am allowed to ask for attention because i am suciidal
[11/17/2014 12:59:54 AM] Redacted: ??? When did I say you weren't allowed to ask for attention?
[11/17/2014 1:00:03 AM] Redacted: You're twisting my words and still trying to make me feel guilty.
[11/17/2014 1:00:08 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to
[11/17/2014 1:00:18 AM] Lawrence: you said i am posting about wanting to kill myself and therefor manipulating you
[11/17/2014 1:00:48 AM] Redacted: Holy shit you're twisting what I'm saying. That's NOT what I meant.
[11/17/2014 1:00:56 AM] Lawrence: i am not trying to i am just asking for attention because i am upset which leads to me wanting to be impulsive and murder myself
[11/17/2014 1:00:58 AM] Lawrence: does that make sense?
[11/17/2014 1:02:49 AM] Redacted: I know what it means. I am still saying that your actions and behaviours to me being upset, and me calling it out, is manipulative. And, like I said, whether intentional or not, it still is.
[11/17/2014 1:03:20 AM] Lawrence: okay and i am saying i am sorry but i cant help it and would rather get attention than suffer quietly
[11/17/2014 1:03:47 AM] Lawrence: i apologize for it being manipualtive but i literally cannot help it
[11/17/2014 1:05:16 AM] Lawrence: idk i dont want to suffer quietly i want attention right now and comfort and being the slightest bit upset is making me impulsive
[11/17/2014 1:05:22 AM] Lawrence: i apologize for being impulsive
[11/17/2014 1:07:02 AM] Lawrence: i completely understand what you are talking about, and i agree and i will work on it but that does not change the fact that i am upset and me being upset is forcing my bpd to do strange things right now.
[11/17/2014 1:07:18 AM] Lawrence: i do not want you to feel guilty, take it back, or get angry.
[11/17/2014 1:07:37 AM] Redacted: That doesn't stop the fact that I AM HURTING because of it. Manipulation is manipulation, period. I am trying to look out for myself. That is why I messaged you in the first place. That is why I am doing what I am doing. But you are making me feel like shit and feel like I deserve to die for wanting to look out for myself. For once in my life.
[11/17/2014 1:07:53 AM] Lawrence: no you dont deserve to die
[11/17/2014 1:08:04 AM] Lawrence: why can't you try to understand what i am saying i dont want to suffer in silence
[11/17/2014 1:08:40 AM] Lawrence: i am saying i understand
[11/17/2014 1:08:47 AM] Lawrence: i just wanted to have some attention and comfort
[11/17/2014 1:08:52 AM] Lawrence: i am sorry
[11/17/2014 1:10:27 AM] Lawrence: i understand what you are saying
[11/17/2014 1:10:44 AM] Lawrence: i completely do and i am not trying to make you feel guilty
[11/17/2014 1:11:13 AM] Lawrence: i was vague enough so no one even knows what happened
[11/17/2014 1:11:23 AM] Redacted: ... That doesn't matter. /I/ know. /I/ know it is about me.
[11/17/2014 1:12:03 AM] Lawrence: i understand that it was wrong to post for attention
[11/17/2014 1:12:07 AM] Lawrence: i just did not want to be alone
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This...really says a lot about Spring and how they view people, how they think friends and partners exist solely to fulfill their needs. They're like an emotional parasite, going from host to host and taking whatever they need while giving nothing in return.
Thank you three for coming forward about Spring's bullshit. You're a batch of tough cookies for getting out of these relationships.
 
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Meowthkip said:
A lot of people have been hurt by this one person, a person who needs a spreadsheet to catalog all for her headmates and kintypes. A person who made up a story about some dudebros trying to run her down with their car for pretending to be Karkat on the internet.

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That story wasn't actually made up, though.
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Mourning Dove said:
Look what cha1nshipping posted!

The questions are, which partner, how long, why, where, etc.
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Jeremy's the only one in his area... I'm just now realizing that I have no idea who he's dating, outside of Jeremy and Catherine though, so. There could be a mystery third?

if it IS Jeremy, (which, it probably is) yuck, I can't imagine wanting to live with a 16 year old. I'm not even too sure that's legal in Florida? Don't you need to be 18 to legally live on your own?
 
hey first of all, sorry for being MIA, i was with adam for almost a week straight and the mobile layout here hates my phone.

I'm at work (on break though) so i figured i'd drop in to say two things.

1) one of the people you've been listening to, and someone who had a hand in the callout, is 18 and dating the alter of a severely mentally ill 16 year old. I'll provide proof when i get home.

2) i will be around to answer questions at around 3/4 my time. again, no questions about my sex life.
 
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