Springtrapp - Batshit Otherkin Pedophile Sadist and Her Brainwashed Child Bride

Someone (on tumblr, so it probably doesn't count) defined it as 'a desire [or need?] to be seen as genderless or androgynous, being of neither gender or sex visually' (paraphrased).

That's fine. I have a desire to eat chocolate ice cream, but that doesn't make eating it a medically necessary treatment, paid for by my insurance and adjusted to by society.

I think that's where the line is drawn. It's debatable whether or not "agender" is a naturally occurring identity. There's no sound theory behind its occurrence or necessity. It's not a straight analogue to being opposite your birth sex.

How do I tell the people apart who feel this way due to an organic state of the brain, and people who are pulling a political stunt and won't even tell me their birth sex in a medical emergency?
 
@Stray Sheep, it honestly sounds to me like you may be agender, which is actual a valid gender and not the mogai-archive ~genderless~ crap you insist on using. But why do you use this "genderless" term? Isn't it just the same thing as agender?

Bleh, missed this one. Anyways, the term agender always felt weird to me, I feel like that's more of "your gender is not having a gender". While my gender is literately just. Non-existent. Not there.

So you pretty much admit that you don't like "they" because it's "too default". I.E. "not special enough for me."

Nice.

No, "too default" as in, if I let everyone use them, that would be the only set people refer to me as anymore and it would make me uncomfortable, because that is waht happened before.

@Stray Sheep clean your room

Like I said, I am, but I like to pace myself and multitask.

So he... talks to you sometimes, and he lets you talk about your own interests? Please don't be offended, @Stray Sheep, but that's not a great relationship, that's the bare minimum of decent human interaction. By that standard, I was queerplatonic partners with the nice older couple at work whom I carpooled with.

Well what else do you want me to say? Like what specific examples do you want? He can't buy me things if that's what you want, because he can't really afford it, but has said he could if he would.
 
Honestly I'm done with @Delicious Stickmeat, since what you're doing is basically insisting I'm a girl and ignoring the effect it has on me.

The whole "nanana I done with U" bit may float on Tumblr, but it doesn't work so well here.

Yep, you're a girl. You may be a girl who likes some masculine things, but at the core, you are 100% woman. You display nothing that would be medically recognized as a case of gender dysphoria requiring any sort of legitimate medical intervention at this time.

Sorry if that isn't speshul snowflake enough, but thems the breaks, kiddo. Call yourself an agender demisexual CAFAB+ GLMR WTFBBQ all you want, but everyone who isn't a member of the asspat brigade knows better. You're either A. Female or B. Male. As above, since you display none of the traits recognized as gender dysphoria/transgender, and you aren't so cognitively impaired that you have no sense of self, I'm going to stick with referring to you as female.
 
Well what else do you want me to say? Like what specific examples do you want? He can't buy me things if that's what you want, because he can't really afford it, but has said he could if he would.
I'm not looking for monetary expenditures or grand gestures; I'm looking for a sign that he actually puts any effort into a relationship with you, as opposed to considering you a friend of convenience. I can't read his mind, or yours, of course, but it really sounds like there's no meaningful emotional connection on his part. He messages you sometimes when he thinks you're upset, instead of being a reliable confidant. He lets you talk about your interests, but any friend should do that, and listening to someone talking about their interests over a text chat medium doesn't mean anything -- it takes no effort on his part to just let you type into a chat window or leave Skype running. Unless he's actively engaging with you and providing support, he's not really supportive.
 
How do I tell the people apart who feel this way due to an organic state of the brain, and people who are pulling a political stunt and won't even tell me their birth sex in a medical emergency?

Generally a good guess is their behaviour and manner of handling things. I mean this does blow close to home for me as someone who IDs as agender and has always been profoundly uncomfortable as their birth gender or the notion of being the opposite with all the crippling dysphoria to boot. It's just as confusing to me as it is to others, probably. I personally do hope psychs do look into the whole deal.

But when someone starts saying "'they' isn't special enough" or some shit you kick that to the curb.
 
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Bleh, missed this one. Anyways, the term agender always felt weird to me, I feel like that's more of "your gender is not having a gender". While my gender is literately just. Non-existent. Not there.
That... yes? Agender would be defined similar to 'atypical', atypical being 'not typical'. Agender being 'not (no) gender'. So it'd fit. 'Not there', 'nonexistent'- that would fall under the agender umbrella. It's not my experience, but everybody's gender experience is a smidge different even if you identify as or are the same thing.

(now that i think about it I probably just reamed grammar and English rules up the ass there, but that's just my opinion on it.)
 
Generally a good guess is their behaviour and manner of handling things. I mean this does blow close to home for me as someone who IDs as agender has always been profoundly uncomfortable as their birth gender or the notion of being the opposite with all the crippling dysphoria to boot. It's just as confusing to me as it is to others, probably. I personally do hope psychs do look into the whole deal.

But when someone starts saying "'they' isn't special enough" or some shit you kick that to the curb.

And then we get sensible opinions like this. When it comes to that, I'm at least willing to listen to and admit it's not a well-researched area of psychology.
 
Oh hey, I almost forgot the big important thing.

I seem to be having trouble digging back and finding the suicide note (if anyone could find it, that would be awesome), but how do you feel about being left off of it, when he mentioned plenty of others on it?
This. Honestly, you can defend Spring and her bullshit all day, but clearly your feelings towards her are much stronger than her feelings towards you.
 
@Stray Sheep I repeat my original advice of getting the hell out of dodge with regards to Springo. You're with an abuser and you are denying it. Rest assured that if you get away you will eventually find new friends and potentially a partner who will do good by you instead of prodding you whenever they feel like it.

Love yourself and snap out of it.
 
Oh hey, I almost forgot the big important thing.

I seem to be having trouble digging back and finding the suicide note (if anyone could find it, that would be awesome), but how do you feel about being left off of it, when he mentioned plenty of others on it?
On that subject: @Stray Sheep , how do you feel in general about someone you love and consider to be a partner posting a suicide note purely for attention, a suicide note in which he asks several other people to kill themselves? Is that actually okay with you somehow?
 
On that subject: @Stray Sheep , how do you feel in general about someone you love and consider to be a partner posting a suicide note purely for attention, a suicide note in which he asks several other people to kill themselves? Is that actually okay with you somehow?

why not? @Stray Sheep tells people to die or kill themselves as fast as she threatens to commit suicide. These two are perfect for each other.
 
I'm not looking for monetary expenditures or grand gestures; I'm looking for a sign that he actually puts any effort into a relationship with you, as opposed to considering you a friend of convenience. I can't read his mind, or yours, of course, but it really sounds like there's no meaningful emotional connection on his part. He messages you sometimes when he thinks you're upset, instead of being a reliable confidant. He lets you talk about your interests, but any friend should do that, and listening to someone talking about their interests over a text chat medium doesn't mean anything -- it takes no effort on his part to just let you type into a chat window or leave Skype running. Unless he's actively engaging with you and providing support, he's not really supportive.

Well I mean, an emotional connection with someone isn't really something you can convey in words.

I don't remember if it was here or on Tumblr that I said this, but I've been emotionally abused and used enough since as long as I can remember, that I've become hyper aware of when someone is using me and so on, and Lawrence is not. I can sense his honesty. I don't know what more you want me to say. He puts a lot of effort into our relationship, I don't know how you expect me to "prove" that.

But when someone starts saying "'they' isn't special enough" or some shit you kick that to the curb.

It's not "they isn't special enough" it's "I have other pronoun sets I like to go by, I don't just want to go by they."

With the note: I actually remember the day it happened, though I don't recall seeing the note so I must have been away from the computer or something.

Anyways, I have a note of my own in my drafts on my old blog that leaves off some people that have been involved in my life since I wrote it, including I think two partners. I have almost published it a couple a times with people left off of it, because I didn't want to edit it at that point

"I wish you would off yourselves" said by someone who's ostensibly going to off themself. Curious.

Those people were abusive towards him, it's normal for people to want their abusers dead.
@Stray Sheep I repeat my original advice of getting the hell out of dodge with regards to Springo. You're with an abuser and you are denying it. Rest assured that if you get away you will eventually find new friends and potentially a partner who will do good by you instead of prodding you whenever they feel like it.

Love yourself and snap out of it.

I suggest you look at my about, I'm dating several other people at the moment, if I really felt like one of them didn't care for me breaking up with them wouldn't be too much of an issue to me.

On that subject: @Stray Sheep , how do you feel in general about someone you love and consider to be a partner posting a suicide note purely for attention, a suicide note in which he asks several other people to kill themselves? Is that actually okay with you somehow?

People with BPD act out for attention a lot. I don't think the note was for attention though. I was having a similar issue at the time, I thought dying was the only way anyone would so much as know my name. And I already discussed the people he asked to kill themselves.
 
People with BPD act out for attention a lot. I don't think the note was for attention though. I was having a similar issue at the time, I thought dying was the only way anyone would so much as know my name. And I already discussed the people he asked to kill themselves.
Mental illness does not excuse behaviors. It only explains them. The fact that you keep letting her use them as an excuse is bad for her, especially if you believe she really has it
 
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