Squid Game - battle Royale but adults!

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The first game in Kaiji is much deeper than all of the games in squid game combined.
Kaiji had his flaws but the first game and the e-card game are really great games and none of the Squid game can come close to them imo.


The glass bridge is a tad better than the similar game in kaiji tho.
 
The actual squid game itself is introduced as a team game (it seems to me like basically Bulldog with a bit of a preamble) so presumably they could make a bigger pitch and do it as a round robin tournament of small teams
You're right! Assuming the players that are left are split into two teams that would mean it's possible for the game to have a maximum of 57 winners.
 
At episode 6 currently. It's meh and clichéd but not meh enough for me to stop watching. Wish they played up The Prisoner look it has going on and made it more over the top.

I ended up skipping the bits where they're not on the island.

People have mentioned kaji, battle royal, dongonranpa and others as similar but there is also the hunter exam from Hunter X Hunter.
 
The first game in Kaiji is much deeper than all of the games in squid game combined.
Kaiji had his flaws but the first game and the e-card game are really great games and none of the Squid game can come close to them imo.


The glass bridge is a tad better than the similar game in kaiji tho.
To be fair the games in Squid Games are deliberately made to be the most basic shit since the creator wanted the audience to focus on the characters more.
 
To be fair the games in Squid Games are deliberately made to be the most basic shit since the creator wanted the audience to focus on the characters more.
Yeah also they are supposed to be games for kid so they are keep pretty simple.
I will never rethink about them the same way I sometimes rethink about the first game in kaiji
 
I finished it today and I was pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoyed it. As people have already said, it wasn't without it's flaws (for me, the voices of the Western VIPs were cringe, like budget voice acting in a mobile game, and it was also pretty obvious from the first episode who was going to win and what they would return home to). But I found myself invested in certain characters and their stories, and there were also some twists that I didn't expect.

It's a nitpick but the steel beams that no one tried to balance on bothered me.
When I watched that, I thought the same, but I just told myself that they would've been shot by the guards if they tried to do anything outside of the rules.

Is anyone else curious about what would happen if every contestant died before reaching the final game? It's not impossible, especially considering that almost every game except the first two is designed so that at least half the players at minimum are guaranteed to die.
I figure they would just roll-over the pot for the next game.

Conversely, assuming a best case scenario where every player survives (except in the games where it's impossible for there to not be losers), that would mean there could be a final round with a total number of 114 players. How the hell would that work?
A few characters talked about sharing the money, so it seemed like a possibility - but maybe it was just optimism for the sake of coping? Given the rules of the final game (the winner is the last person standing, and only death would eliminate players from the final game), I don't see how it would be possible to have more than one winner. I think the game would just carry on for as long as it took.

As for a second season - I wouldn't see much point in it personally, as we already know who, why and how the game is run. The ending was a little underwhelming because it felt exactly how a writer would bait viewers into thinking there will be a second series in a really lazy way. Last minute drama and a change of plan? Is our protagonist off to save the world? I'd of rather Gi-hun just got on the plane and went on with his life.
 
I was on the same boat watching it thinking how Kaiji did most of this stuff better. Gi Hun is a cool enough dude, I suppose. He clearly survives due to dumb luck and charisma more than smarts, but that's a way of doing things. The rest of the main cast are alright, and the very tiny character development Sae Byok had was cute and all, but Kaiji built a much more interesting narrative with a lot less.

The games absolutely matter, I feel. You're betting your life on something so it instantly becomes an emotional rollercoaster. I did dislike how they played Even or Odd with marbles, and I disliked that episode mostly on the grounds that the very obvious incoming twist had me screaming at my screen like old terror movies sometimes did. The series had a great rollercoaster thing going on with Red Light Green Light and Tug of War. Honeycomb felt somewhat tense, but not all that exciting compared to the rest of games. The bridge is just Steel Beam Crossing from Kaiji but -meh-. It just feels super weird that nobody tried to balance and kick out the next platform, or balance on the beams across, and how everyone just jumped with all they had to the next platform. So many ways to game the system and they tried none of them. Last game was an alright excuse for an all out brawl, and the character development and resolution ended up making a bad premise pretty intetesting.

In the end Kaiji and Squid Game aren't trying to do the same thing at all, Squid Game is clearly more about the characters and social commentary than finding a way to rig the odds in your favour, but I just found Kaiji's premise of bet your life, and do anything to win much more enticing than bet your life yet stick honorably to the rules and conventions even if it means losing it. Even though there was an obsession with fairness on the part of the organizers, it seems like they're also totally cool with people skirting the rules to a crazy extent, which just makes them seem schizophrenic. Byeong Gi the doctor wasn't any worse than Deok Su but he got aced pretty quickly. Yet when Deok Su flat out refuses to play, which is against the core rules of the game, absolutely nothing happens until some other participant takes matters into her own hands.

After everything, the social commentary was good but a little weak. From what I think, sadly, most of the people betting their pretty much forfeit to debt lives would be actually fucking thankful to even have the chance or a swift death to deliver them from the pain, not really raging against their aristos masters. Sick as that would be. It was really nice to see that they did revolt, realism be damned.

Season 1's a good watch all in all. I don't think this show has a lot more stories left to tell unless they just focus on an entirely new group of people per season, and even then it'd be rough if it all must be Korean children's games. But yeah, even though it loses steam in the end, like other people have said, it's a good series.
 
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I still have not seen it yet, but I’ll probably check it out come Halloween. It seems fitting enough.
 
As for Squid Game, I could honestly care less and after watching it, came back to watching the original Battle Royale from Japan and Liar Game and it was far better in execution.

In regards to Battle Royale, I found some of the deaths to be rushed, and when it comes to killfest movies like BR, I'm not a fan of deaths that happen off-screen. I do agree that BR pulls off this concept better than Squid Game did.

The BR sequel was pretty much trash though, I couldn't even finish it.
 
Read Alice in Boarderland over the week in bursts, it also has a Netflix adaptation (Japanese instead of Korean). Similar idea with games that have lethal consequences, but with a supernatural/high tech element.

Probably because it was written/manga, the games seemed way more in depth than anything here. They are seperated by type, they have playing cards to tell people how hard the games are going to be. There are games like tag where everyone has to find a room in an apartment in 30 minutes while running away from a man with a horse head mask wielding an uzi. A "find the murderer" game and so on. They even have their own iconic game of "hide and seek", the result/tactic which is still debated for a no death win (which the author has confirmed there is one).

Still full of the same tropes that you would expect from a manga, but probably more enjoyable than this, which comes off as far more basic (probably because of the TV limit preventing stupidly complex rules).
 
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In regards to Battle Royale, I found some of the deaths to be rushed, and when it comes to killfest movies like BR, I'm not a fan of deaths that happen off-screen. I do agree that BR pulls off this concept better than Squid Game did.

The BR sequel was pretty much trash though, I couldn't even finish it.
Beat Takeshi adds a lot to BR tho. Stopped watching squid games after the first 2 episodes, got caught up with Null's Review. ending sure looks like shit.

Null must've forgotten the scene where the suicide guy was gassing himself in ep 2 which would explain why he'd kill himself later when he doesn't win any money.
 
I don't understand why people don't like the ending. The "cliffhanger" is annoying because the cynic in me only dreads how much corporate interference season 2 will have, but other than that, I really can't think of a way it could have been better.

Overall I thought the show was excellent. Probably 8 or 9/10
 
I don't understand why people don't like the ending. The "cliffhanger" is annoying because the cynic in me only dreads how much corporate interference season 2 will have, but other than that, I really can't think of a way it could have been better.

Overall I thought the show was excellent. Probably 8 or 9/10
I'll speak for myself.

Story starts with our protagonist entering the games to get money. After learning of the stakes, he checks out. He's on the brink of actually losing his daughter and decides that is enough of a reason to risk death, joining the games once again.

Protagonist goes through the effort of helping the brother and mother of two contestants he met while in the games, Sae-byeok and Sang-woo's dying wishes.

Moments before boarding a plane to go and meet his daughter after an entire time-skipped year of waffling around, our protagonist decides to fuck off and face the game makers instead of seeing his daughter for the first time since arguably what was their last meeting in the earlier episodes.

The show presents this as a good(?) or at least triumphant and heroic moment. What in the actual fuck, my dude.
 
I'll speak for myself.

Story starts with our protagonist entering the games to get money. After learning of the stakes, he checks out. He's on the brink of actually losing his daughter and decides that is enough of a reason to risk death, joining the games once again.

Protagonist goes through the effort of helping the brother and mother of two contestants he met while in the games, Sae-byeok and Sang-woo's dying wishes.

Moments before boarding a plane to go and meet his daughter after an entire time-skipped year of waffling around, our protagonist decides to fuck off and face the game makers instead of seeing his daughter for the first time since arguably what was their last meeting in the earlier episodes.

The show presents this as a good(?) or at least triumphant and heroic moment. What in the actual fuck, my dude.
Decent point, but I guess it just didn't bother me that much. I think him dying is hair red is a bit of a tipoff that he's gone crazy and his judgement might not be the best.

However, the real reason he didn't get on that plane, if I'm being cynical, is that they just needed a cliffhanger for season 2 and changed the ending at the last minute. That bothers me more.
 
Decent point, but I guess it just didn't bother me that much. I think him dying is hair red is a bit of a tipoff that he's gone crazy and his judgement might not be the best.

However, the real reason he didn't get on that plane, if I'm being cynical, is that they just needed a cliffhanger for season 2 and changed the ending at the last minute. That bothers me more.

That's 100% the reason. The creator of the show didn't have a sequel in mind and a lot of the weaker aspects of the show were added in sooner to filming (he's reportedly had this story in mind for several years now). Netflix being Netflix probably wanted some bait just in case and with the season's success, it's guaranteed they're squeezing out a sequel.

I wouldn't have minded it ending that way if the show had made the effort to show that he was consistently making poorer and poorer choices. But that wasn't his arc. His judgement isn't the best to begin with (he had almost completely ruined his life thanks to debt in the beginning of the series after all), but it felt disgustingly out of character and - as someone who watched characters I liked more by that point bite the dust - I wanted to strangle him for giving up the happy ending so many people died for.

After chirping about "how can you kill these people for money!" and "let's forfeit and give the dead the chance to help their loved one's from beyond the grave; don't fight guys!" (twice), and then meeting up with the menace that concocted the scheme to get all these people killed in the first place and finding his behavior so abhorrent he crawled out of his hole of self-loathing, it felt like a slap in the face to have that character then decide: "Yeah, screw my daughter, the only family I have left. The only person who believed in me all these years and looked at me with love even as I continued to be a fuck up. I could be a hero! FUCK THE POLICE, I'LL DO IT MYSELF. ON THIS DAY OF ALL DAYS. HELLO? I WILL FIND YOU."
 
That's 100% the reason. The creator of the show didn't have a sequel in mind and a lot of the weaker aspects of the show were added in sooner to filming (he's reportedly had this story in mind for several years now). Netflix being Netflix probably wanted some bait just in case and with the season's success, it's guaranteed they're squeezing out a sequel.

I wouldn't have minded it ending that way if the show had made the effort to show that he was consistently making poorer and poorer choices. But that wasn't his arc. His judgement isn't the best to begin with (he had almost completely ruined his life thanks to debt in the beginning of the series after all), but it felt disgustingly out of character and - as someone who watched characters I liked more by that point bite the dust - I wanted to strangle him for giving up the happy ending so many people died for.

After chirping about "how can you kill these people for money!" and "let's forfeit and give the dead the chance to help their loved one's from beyond the grave; don't fight guys!" (twice), and then meeting up with the menace that concocted the scheme to get all these people killed in the first place and finding his behavior so abhorrent he crawled out of his hole of self-loathing, it felt like a slap in the face to have that character then decide: "Yeah, screw my daughter, the only family I have left. The only person who believed in me all these years and looked at me with love even as I continued to be a fuck up. I could be a hero! FUCK THE POLICE, I'LL DO IT MYSELF. ON THIS DAY OF ALL DAYS. HELLO? I WILL FIND YOU."
If it gives context, I heard the ending was "bad" and I was expecting something REALLY REALLY stupid and definitely didn't get that.
 
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If it gives context, I heard the ending was "bad" and I was expecting something REALLY REALLY stupid and definitely didn't get that.

If Squid Game is up your alley, the entire season is strong as fuck but falters at the finish line. I think the strong negative reaction has more to be with the show being so popular people hate it because it's popular, people who feel forced to watch it due to its popularity, not liking it and feeling shitty they didn't/that they wasted their time, and people who were told this is the greatest thing ever only for it to end less than perfectly.

And franchise hatred or whatever it's called.

I personally find the ending and many parts of the last three episodes dumb af but it holds and I'd recommend the watch. Could turn out better in hindsight if Netflix got the sequel right but I don't have high hopes when it comes to quality should a second season come to pass.
 
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