Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

The concept is that Archer became the president of the new Federation of Planets and these are the voyages of his political career. If this launches in $CURRENT_YEAR the premise will spin him as some evil Trumpist white male tyrant, or him battling to save Our Democracy from a faction of Terra First human supremacists who want to make the galaxy great again.

TRVST THE PLAN

 

[teriyakiburns]

The concept is that Archer became the president of the new Federation of Planets and these are the voyages of his political career. If this launches in $CURRENT_YEAR the premise will spin him as some evil Trumpist white male tyrant, or him battling to save Our Democracy from a faction of Terra First human supremacists who want to make the galaxy great again.

With a good writing team, they could make the latter work by bringing back Peter Weller as John Paxton. Have him in an ersatz Mandela role, fresh out of prison and acting as a figurehead for a movement to assert Human primacy in the sol system again. He could even be uncomfortable with the role being forced on him by extremist followers, while an older, more nuanced Archer could find himself sympathising with the broader idea even though his position requires him to take an opposite tack. Retcon Tucker's death and have him as a high-ranking figure in the newly empowered Star Fleet, married to T'Pol, which would set him him at odds with both Archer and Paxton's fluctuating positions as they're circling around one another.

But that would require good writers.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

However, Ira Steven Behr had a weird hateboner for Dukat and the viewers who saw Dukat as anything but comically evil.

I noticed that, especially in that What We Left Behind documentary.

I guess having one likable Cardassian was enough for him lmao.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

Major Kira's character development:

Oh I killed some people in a terrorist bombing once.
...
Yes I killed some Cardis and collaborators a couple times, and I'd do it again.
...
We should kill those people, because that's what we did back in the Resistance.
...
All collaborators must die!!
...
i love everyone but the founders and we have to kill them all except my lover who also collaborated and cost many innocent lives both in the past and in season 6
...

Is this accurate? Or am I misremembering my poor gal?

I so wished the DS9 writers had had bigger balls and made Kira a more interesting character.

After the first episode she just turned into Sisko's #2. His basic bitch. Kira had amazing potential as a character with such a tragic and complex background but they turned her into nothing more then a cardboard cut out. Even her affair with that Ba'jorn priest was a nothing burger at the end even when he died.

Kira was supposed to be a bad asses freedom fighter and she was nothing more then a kitten. Maybe that's why I liked the Mirror Kira so much, that's one was interseting...and pretty damn sexy.

All in all she's a massive missed opportunity for a actual interesting non star fleet character.

Ditto for the Marques of Voyager who just transmorphed into perfect star fleet crew members after the first episode.

For what ever reason the writers during those series only wanted external conflicts, no internal disputes at all. Fuck even Quark and Odo end up as good friends. We had more then enough of that with TNG.

A real missed opportunity fo'sho IMHO.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I noticed that, especially in that What We Left Behind documentary.

I guess having one likable Cardassian was enough for him lmao.

It was so fucking obvious from that documentary that Ira wanted to make Marc look bad. I don't know what the fuck happened between those two.

 

[Captain Syrup]

It's official.



They’re just giving TV deals to any Trek actor who’s still breathing. Yeah, except my boy Miles O’Brien. No love for him.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

It's official.

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They’re just giving TV deals to any Trek actor who’s still breathing. Yeah, except my boy Miles O’Brien. No love for him.

they are that desperate for some legitimacy I guess.

Hey lets toss on some member-berries! That will show those old icky fans we "gets them"

This reeks of a desperate studio looking for a boost

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Why. WHY. WHY! Why can't Kurtzman and the guys who suck his cock just fuck off and die already? Is that too much to ask for?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Guys, guys... what if it's good?

Oh, right...

 

[Judge Holden]

I am...so fucking tired of this shit....

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

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I am...so fucking tired of this shit....

It's the kind of tired that sleep won't fix.

 

[Judge Holden]

the Marques of Voyager

I think you will find that the Marquess of Voyager promoted herself to Duchess shortly after arriving in the Delta Quadrant. Those who accidentally refer to her by her previous title tend to find themselves dropped off on the nearest hell world and hunted for sport by Her Grace and her lobotomized Hirogen retrievers

 

[ProfDongs]

I doubt it will be anything worthwhile but I think of the best member tier actors, Colm and Bakula are the best options. I still doubt I'll watch it.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I will give them the benefit of the doubt on the Archer series if and ONLY IF they ditch the shitty Kurtzman aesthetics and dialogue.

No more wacky, modern Marvel dialogue and fucking JJ Abrams hologram displays.

 

[Pygmy Giraffe]

With a good writing team

lol.

bringing back Peter Weller as John Paxton

None of the writers who will be tapped for this series will have ever watched Enterprise to get that reference and will seek to deconstruct it for Modern Audiences. Some of the Discovery writers admitted to have never watched Star Trek and hating the whiteness of the franchise and its fans.

an older, more nuanced Archer

lmao.

This burns my ass because of all the classic trek, ENT was the one I initially skipped for so long, yet it's the one I come back to the most often. It strikes a fine balance between the wholesome optimism of TNG and the rougher edge of DS9. It's early cancellation was a tragedy that all classic Trek fans will never live down

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

This burns my ass because of all the classic trek, ENT was the one I initially skipped for so long, yet it's the one I come back to the most often. It strikes a fine balance between the wholesome optimism of TNG and the rougher edge of DS9. It's early cancellation was a tragedy that all classic Trek fans will never live down

I don't care what anyone says: Enterprise is worth it for "Carbon Creek" alone.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I doubt it will be anything worthwhile but I think of the best member tier actors, Colm and Bakula are the best options. I still doubt I'll watch it.

No Jolene, tho. That's crazy. Seems she married some rich dude and retired, living the good life and all that.

 

[Pygmy Giraffe]

I don't care what anyone says: Enterprise is worth it for "Carbon Creek" alone.

A great little self-contained capsule episode with a lot of fun moments, season 2 was packed with them. Some other S2 favorite capsules are A Night in Sickbay (over the top fan service), Dawn (tense survival, callback to Darmok [TNG]), The Communicator (proto-prime directive episode) ,Judgement (Klingon-themed courtroom drama, great references to TOS), Regeneration (The Thing references: fun and games with the Borg), Precious Cargo (lighthearted kidnapping romp with hot pajeeta Padma Lakshmi), Singularity (Data T'Pol saves the day from fun space autism), and The Crossing (so-bad-it's-good body swapping drama with alien spirits, callback to Power Play [TNG])

There's other mediocre stuff in S2, The Catwalk and Minefield/Dead Stop are worth a single watch. But skip the gay AIDS episode (Stigma), the tranny ep (Cogenitor, lame callback to the even worse TNG episode The Outcast), and the laziest callback episode in the series, Vanishing Point (The Next Phase, TNG).

 

[UnKillFill]

They’re just giving TV deals to any Trek actor who’s still breathing.

(500 hours in grok. I don't know why they put the title in the background but it's Star Trek: Wesley)

So you're saying there's a chance.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

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I love how this implies the Enterprise has subwoofers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Dukat losing his mind after Ziyal's death and going into Federation custody was the best way to end his story. It wasn't like the episode redeemed him in any way. I would have accepted Dukat and the Birth of the Super Cult if it culminated in Kai Winn fully betraying him and turning into the main antagonist in the last season. Winn's character represented moral cowardice leading someone to commit ultimate evil, which is very compelling, while Dukat was always a rotten bastard. There wasn't anywhere else for Dukat to go, thematically speaking. However, Ira Steven Behr had a weird hateboner for Dukat and the viewers who saw Dukat as anything but comically evil. It's really unfortunate.

It was also weird how the final battle was between him and Sisko even though neither of them had really seen each other since "Waltz". Hell, Kira and Worf have more reasons to hate him than Sisko does.

They’re just giving TV deals to any Trek actor who’s still breathing. Yeah, except my boy Miles O’Brien. No love for him.

Maybe even they know they can't improve on what is already a perfect character?

Guys, guys... what if it's good?

Oh, right...

Just imagine if instead of the early days of the Federation, they decide to once again make it about Archer dealing with time travel.

I don't care what anyone says: Enterprise is worth it for "Carbon Creek" alone.

This is a little shower thought I had regarding the ending. So one of Granny T'Pol's crewmates chooses to stay behind after growing accustomed to life on 20th century Earth. Did he live long enough to see the Vulcans make official first contact with humanity?

No Jolene, tho. That's crazy. Seems she married some rich dude and retired, living the good life and all that.

I think she reprised her role for an episode of Lower Decks.