Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Captain Syrup said:
Dance Dance Revolution is the best interface.

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Every loop at the end gets funnier and funnier. Thank you for making me relive watching this with friends in college and laughing our asses off. It's sad that this was probably Andrew Katsulas' last role.

The evil alien race in SNW is so much stupider the more I think about it. It's so black and white thinking that belongs in Star Wars not Star Trek. In Babylon 5 the Vorlons and Shadows weren't good and evil, they had different views on how to guide the younger races. Pike's wife, before she destroys evil, gives him a fake life together where their daughter gets BLACKED by Adm. April's son. The episode felt like a series finale but I know there's another season coming. At least it'll only be six episodes. Kurtzman Trek is like a bad case of the shits: STD was the first explosive dump, Picard seasons 1 and 2 were the second wave, Lower Decks and season 3 of Picard were that massive fart that relieves the pressure, and SNW is the last turds shooting out. Star Trek: Faggot Academy is the clean up before you flush, never to see that shit again.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Strange New Worlds had its season finale. The chief engineer implied she was a companion for the Doctor from Doctor Who. They really wanted to do a crossover with the niggerfaggot Doctor. Pike's wife is the Key to Everything and defeats literal Evil and becomes a statue. Scotty wore his dress uniform with a kilt. Kirk and Spock do a mind meld and now are best buds. It felt like the writers watched Babylon 5 and tried to copy it, failing miserably.

Who's ready for Star Trek: Hogworts in a few months?
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Some emotional beats with Pike and Patel worked. Overal it felt like it was written by someone who watched the later season of SG1 with the ORI more than someone who was a sci-fi and Star Trek fan. The whole evil, demons, whatever nonsense was just nonsense.

Teases 5 year mission. Yet we know there's only one and a half seasons left. Even if they actually did a season where every episode is a strange new world, there's 16 episodes or something left of the show.
 
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I don’t even think the demon gimmick landed when DS9 tried it. Even Marc Alaimo, who could make a tax audit sound menacing, couldn’t sell me on these red-eyed fire gremlins.
Screamer_2 said:
Some emotional beats with Pike and Patel worked. Overal it felt like it was written by someone who watched the later season of SG1 with the ORI more than someone who was a sci-fi and Star Trek fan.
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The Prior makeup actually looked sick, I’ll give them that. But then you’ve got Morena Baccarin waddling out in this leftover Flash Gordon robe with SyFy fire effects. She looks like she's losing a battle with a quesadilla.
 
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Mr. Racewar1488 said:
In Babylon 5 the Vorlons and Shadows weren't good and evil, they had different views on how to guide the younger races.
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I don't want to get into a gay faggot argument over Babylon 5!!! in the year 2025, but you will never convince me that the Shadows were supposed to be anything but evil enemies of intelligent life before some hasty midseason rewrites. They were written as such until the last few episodes of the Shadow War arc, when the notion of some parity between them and the Vorlons was introduced because the resolution to the arc, that the Vorlons were going to sacrifice themselves for the younger races, was both too obvious and not grimdark enough.
 
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Sayer of the N-Word said:
the Vorlons were going to sacrifice themselves for the younger races
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B5 was always funny to me because you’ve got this super gritty EarthForce (yeah okay I believe this is a functioning interstellar bureaucracy), then bam out of nowhere it’s "oh yeah btw the Ancients booby-trapped their entire planet to explode if a human comes within 10 parsecs because we aren’t ready for the technology yet.” Like what. :story:

At least the Vorlons just put their planet on some kind of cosmic egg timer. “Oh you want to land here? Sorry, come back in 999,999 years, we’ve got a galactic parental lock.” I don’t even know how that works logistically.

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No one will ever be able to convince me that STD wasn't written solely by people who hate Star Trek. It is the most anti-Trek Trek ever made. And it can't be accidental as there are far too many wink win nudge nudge you see what we did there moments that to be even remotely believeable.

I think SNW is trying but again the writing staff are fucking modern day retards so they can't tell a good story line from a bad one. Again it's the paucity of modern storytellers life experiences where they continue to misidentify trite for meaningful.

I dunno how to really explain it well but to me it seems they just don't understand how to build a character anymore. They insist on "telling us" rather then showing us.

You see this all the time in nu-Trek as characters often stand around talking to each other about how awesome they are or how cool that thing was. It's like the writers just don't understand how real people interact. They keep insisting we should love this or that character because of some superficial actions or thoughts. We don't even know these characters they're shallow one dimensional stereotypes who the writers keep tells us everyone loves and respects but all we see is so arrogant annoying bossy type who is never wrong even when they should be.

I dunno. I just think that modern writers simply cannot understand or relate to normal people anymore, they're too far removed from normal life to create anything meaningful. I'm sure to them the drek some of these characters spew is deep, meaningful and tragic just it just comes across as whiny or bitchy or bossy to us normal people.

TLDR: Modern writing sucks and nu-Trek sucks because of it.
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
You see this all the time in nu-Trek as characters often stand around talking to each other about how awesome they are or how cool that thing was. It's like the writers just don't understand how real people interact. They keep insisting we should love this or that character because of some superficial actions or thoughts. We don't even know these characters they're shallow one dimensional stereotypes who the writers keep tells us everyone loves and respects but all we see is so arrogant annoying bossy type who is never wrong even when they should be.
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If you take a creative writing class, you can see how this sort of thing happens. Basically, your average writer wants to write dialogue. It takes up lots of white space and hits page counts faster than if you wrote paragraphs describing setting or action. And action is pretty hard to write in general because specificity isn't the goal when writing action. Then there's the publishing club and their selection process is opaque, so I suspect 60% nepotism to 40% talent. Wokeness cuts into the talent part even more, so it's more like 10% talent and everything else is some form of woke nepos depending on the field. If books, it's mostly woke and it goes unnoticed because it's a niche market that caters to middle aged women. Hollywood is the upscaled version of this field that needs to have wide appeal, so it's less woke than book publishing, but it's still as nepotistic. So the result is you have writers that want to write people talk because that's all they know and all the abstract parts of creative writing like plot progression, use of silence, or even a dramatic question all fall to the wayside. It even effects comedy, but the way it's expressed is in everyone trying to be comic relief and lack of dry wit out of characters.
 
Screamer_2 said:
Teases 5 year mission.
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I... I thought the entire series WAS the five year mission.
Sweeter and Savoury said:
I dunno how to really explain it well but to me it seems they just don't understand how to build a character anymore. They insist on "telling us" rather then showing us.

You see this all the time in nu-Trek as characters often stand around talking to each other about how awesome they are or how cool that thing was. It's like the writers just don't understand how real people interact. They keep insisting we should love this or that character because of some superficial actions or thoughts. We don't even know these characters they're shallow one dimensional stereotypes who the writers keep tells us everyone loves and respects but all we see is so arrogant annoying bossy type who is never wrong even when they should be.
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These people are explorers. Their entire job is supposed to discover weird shit. They shouldn't be acting like a bunch of college students in a horror movie.

It's basically the John Mulaney Ice-T sketch.
 
It's Hollywood, where they have spent recent years bragging about hiring writers who don't know IP as if it is a good thing. I am sure that is what has happened with Trek to some degree.

Strange New Worls this season fundamentally wasn't a show that is interested in being a Star Trek show. I didn't hate it, there's a lot a like about the show but this season was pointless.

I wouldn't pretend I know how to write a script or tell a story but the season felt like I could probably at least come up with better ideas. More ideas. They also clearly have no idea what they are doing. The Reavers (Firefly) storyline would have been FAR more interesting than the main through line Stargate story of the season.

I'm not denigrating Stargate, I loved Stargate but glowing eyes, ancients, evil, whatever. Even the way the portal opened. That was Stargate, not Star Trek. It would not have been good in Stargate either. Stargate came after Trek, it expanded to have its own identity. Trek doesn't need to then follow what it was doing with a poor imitation.
 
Captain Syrup said:
B5 was always funny to me because you’ve got this super gritty EarthForce (yeah okay I believe this is a functioning interstellar bureaucracy), then bam out of nowhere it’s "oh yeah btw the Ancients booby-trapped their entire planet to explode if a human comes within 10 parsecs because we aren’t ready for the technology yet.” Like what. :story:
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The booby-trap wasn't for humans but for telepaths irrelevant of sentient species. No telepaths, no problem in exploring and looting the Shadow home world. As was done with the Shadow's other servant species as was shown.
 
Screamer_2 said:
Stargate
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There's a knockoff Stargate that was the basis of the Gateway novels. Nothing new under the Sun.

Captain Syrup said:
"oh yeah btw the Ancients booby-trapped their entire planet to explode if a human comes within 10 parsecs because we aren’t ready for the technology yet.”
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Happens all the time in SF when the author realizes that the boon the heroes have gained is too big.
 
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