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The problem with a movie with a new cast is that we're not gonna get to learn much from this crew with just the one movie.

Trek movies worked because we get to see the cast we grew to love have one more adventure.

But then again, nobody knew about the Guardians of the Galaxy and that crew grew on people really quickly. That being said the tone of Star Trek wouldn't work with a rag tag crew of misfits, they already tried that with Section 31 and it was hot garbage.
 
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
But then again, nobody knew about the Guardians of the Galaxy and that crew grew on people really quickly. That being said the tone of Star Trek wouldn't work with a rag tag crew of misfits, they already tried that with Section 31 and it was hot garbage.
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Star Trek keeps trying to do this “ragtag crew of psychos and divorced guys” thing. And it always feels like a knockoff of cooler shit. Like Guardians? James Gunn said Farscape inspired it. Farscape came from Blake’s 7 and that was made because some British guy watched Star Trek and said, “what if everyone was a felon with untreated personality disorders."
 
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Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
Aye, Farscape is pretty good. I never watched the whole series but if I'd catch it on TV I'd always give it a watch.
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It changes tone every season. New cast members. It's got that Angel problem.

You could do worse, though. Claudia Black is acting her ass off. Insane to compare her in Queen of the Damned to this.

 
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ShapelyMutton said:
This film has the potential to be good because it will follow the even numbered film rule. Cautiously optimistic
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Incorrect. We have to count GalaxyQuest for the rule to work which means we have Nemesis (11), '09 (12), Into Darkness (13), and Beyond (14).

New movie would then be 15.

Unless you're counting the section 31 film. Hm.

I bring it to the board - should that outing be counted as a Trek film? It would be #15 giving this next one a chance... But is it really a "movie" if it's not in theaters?

Mussolini’s Merkin said:
The studio system is just so averse to making gambles that everything we get feels grey.
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Because budgets and such are so out of control they literally can't afford to take any risks. We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars here.

Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
Aye, Farscape is pretty good. I never watched the whole series but if I'd catch it on TV I'd always give it a watch.
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Here you go. Free to watch.
 
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GAY DEAD MUPPET GANGBANG said:
It's not going to be good. Not as things are currently. That's just the sad fact.
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Star Trek's got the reverse-Midas Touch these days.

Fans were pissed at CBS and Secret Hideout, but Paramount was trying to speedrun bankruptcy. The crazy part is their output wasn’t good even before they got bought out by the Saudis.
 
Captain Syrup said:
Star Trek keeps trying to do this “ragtag crew of psychos and divorced guys” thing. And it always feels like a knockoff of cooler shit. Like Guardians? James Gunn said Farscape inspired it. Farscape came from Blake’s 7 and that was made because some British guy watched Star Trek and said, “what if everyone was a felon with untreated personality disorders."
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This happens because the writers have never worked in a serious working environment. They're all milllenials who hold meetings because someone stole someone's lunch and said a bad word.

Remember that scene when Data told Worf he felt he wasn't respecting his authority and both ended the conversation saying basically that their workplace differences shouldn't have to affect their friendship? Current generation doesn't know that.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
This happens because the writers have never worked in a serious working environment. They're all milllenials who hold meetings because someone stole someone's lunch and said a bad word.

Remember that scene when Data told Worf he felt he wasn't respecting his authority and both ended the conversation saying basically that their workplace differences shouldn't have to affect their friendship? Current generation doesn't know that.
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Yep. One of my favorites.

It's cargo cult writing. Newbies hear, "conflict creates drama" and thinks conflict has to mean people yelling at each other. And the more drama you want in a scene, the louder you have people yell.

Mature people know that conflict can be occurring even when two characters agree with each other. Or you can have a low simmering boil going on. That you need to have ups and downs in your stories (like in life) because if you try to maximize those dopamine hits every second, your audience ends up with burnout and they remember nothing of the story.
 
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Flexo said:
Yep. One of my favorites.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vdiQhMPt1Zo
It's cargo cult writing. Newbies here, "conflict creates drama" and thinks conflict has to mean people yelling at each other. And the more drama you want in a scene, the louder you have people yell.

Mature people know that conflict can be occurring even when two characters agree with each other. Or you can have a low simmering boil going on. That you need to have ups and downs in your stories (like in life) because if you try to maximize those dopamine hits every second, your audience ends up with burnout and they remember nothing of the story.
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A great conflict-driver we don't see much of anymore is casual workplace racism
 
Flexo said:
Yep. One of my favorites.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vdiQhMPt1Zo
It's cargo cult writing. Newbies here, "conflict creates drama" and thinks conflict has to mean people yelling at each other. And the more drama you want in a scene, the louder you have people yell.

Mature people know that conflict can be occurring even when two characters agree with each other. Or you can have a low simmering boil going on. That you need to have ups and downs in your stories (like in life) because if you try to maximize those dopamine hits every second, your audience ends up with burnout and they remember nothing of the story.
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The point of conflict here ain't even the disagreement, but Worf being sassy: "Finally!" Geordi too noticed he talked back to the captain. Just like Data said, Riker had never acted like this.

Now, every character acts like this.

Notice this is a moment for Worf to grow. He honestly didn't know he was disrespecting the captain and when he was told he did, he conceded he made a mistake and not only he accepted his behaviour was wrong, he made sure to tell Data that he wasn't mad and that he would never hold it against him.

This happens because in the future, people are looking to grow and get better. Worf is an adult and he admits he still is learning. New characters are all valid and perfect.
 
AnOminous said:
Tell that to Reginald Barclay.
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The funniest Troi moment is her telling her own holodeck porn-parody to STFU. Like she finally got sick of her own bullshit.



She also had that scene in "A Fistful of Datas" where she was blowing smoke rings like a saloon whore. Well, she did, and they cut it. Michael Dorn made some jokes (the kind of "joke" where it’s not really a joke) that she was upstaging him.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
Remember that scene when Data told Worf he felt he wasn't respecting his authority and both ended the conversation saying basically that their workplace differences shouldn't have to affect their friendship? Current generation doesn't know that.
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LA writers have only known high-school relationships, frat-house antics and current year politics.
In TNG25 Worf could have gone to HR and Data would've been deactivated, pending Sensitivity Reprogramming.

Anyways here's a cat dressed up as Geordie LaForge
 
AnOminous said:
Tell that to Reginald Barclay.
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Reg is the 24th century equivalent of the AI bro who spent months prompting a perfect waifu personality and avatar, then gets so caught up in the sunk cost fallacy that he has to convince himself that what he made is what he actually wanted. Meanwhile, Riker wanders into the holodeck, demands a sexy woman, and is pleasantly surprised if he gets anything smarter than a bag of rocks.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Reg is the 24th century equivalent of the AI bro who spent months prompting a perfect waifu personality and avatar, then gets so caught up in the sunk cost fallacy that he has to convince himself that what he made is what he actually wanted. Meanwhile, Riker wanders into the holodeck, demands a sexy woman, and is pleasantly surprised if he gets anything smarter than a bag of rocks.
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If history went two degrees differently, Star Trek would be treated like the Book of Revelation for AI. Every episode is them going, “Hmm, maybe living in an AI pleasure bubble is bad?” And then later the writers are like, “Uh, actually, we’re just gonna have everyone live in the pleasure bubble because we’re sick of shooting on the Enterprise set."

Riker falling in love with that holo–girlfriend Minuet, only for her to be spyware from aliens, is still the funniest thing. Man got phished by space Nigerians.

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Though it was smart when they brought Minuet back in that episode where Riker thinks he’s in the future. He figures out it’s fake immediately because his “wife” is Carolyn McCormick. "Nah, this is a psyop. My holo-sidepiece is here.”
 
Flexo said:
Yep. One of my favorites.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vdiQhMPt1Zo
It's cargo cult writing. Newbies hear, "conflict creates drama" and thinks conflict has to mean people yelling at each other. And the more drama you want in a scene, the louder you have people yell.

Mature people know that conflict can be occurring even when two characters agree with each other. Or you can have a low simmering boil going on. That you need to have ups and downs in your stories (like in life) because if you try to maximize those dopamine hits every second, your audience ends up with burnout and they remember nothing of the story.
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There is more nuance, pathos, and genuinely good writing, acting, directing, and editing contained in this single one-off scene from a 30 year old TV show than contained in the entirety of everything manufactured from STD onwards. It genuinely hurts that everyone involved in these new fucking series are so addled by Vyvanse and asspats that we can't get anything remotely close. Feels bad, man.
 
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