Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Captain Syrup]

Even Mike Stoklasa and Rich Evans liked it. It's the only reason I was tricked into watching it is because they liked it.

I’ve said before that I tend to catastrophize everything I watch, It’s not bad. If this had been the first and only season of Picard, I’d probably be more forgiving.

Not to sound like one of those critics who moan about “strong female characters,” but, dude, the women on Star Trek: Picard don’t do anything. The show never answered for wasting Jeri Ryan for two whole seasons. Seven shows up and she’s still getting persecuted for being Borg, like she’s some kind of sex offender. She looks exhausted by it the whole time. Like she’s waiting for her space union rep. Killing off a perfectly good supporting player just to show the audience you’re serious. Forbes should have had a whole arc. A season. Multiple seasons! If it wasn’t for Picard’s extremely boring baby drama, Beverly wouldn’t have a reason to be here.

The main thing I did like was the whole Data/Lore reintegration moment, but even that should’ve happened 15 years ago. Meanwhile Data was trapped in a personal hell with every Brent Spiner in the universe. At this point Data has spent more of his life in stasis lockers and hallucinations.

The Borg are back. Did they ever really leave?

 

[Miller]

when I saw that but I had to punch myself in the chest "NO! Don't get fooled by nostalgia bait, it's stupid, the reason they're on this ship is stupid, an antiquated ship is somehow immune to Borg technology despite how the Borg assimilated plenty of shit from that era is stupid, stupid led to this, don't fucking let yourself be fooled, stupid!"

The Borg wanted to take control of the entire fleet at once. The D was in a museum anyway.

That logic worked in BSG, both Galatica and Pegasus were so old they were basically analog ships, it makes no sense in Star Trek.

erm ackshually the Pegasus was a modern ship but it was in dry-dock for maintenance when the cylons attacked.

It's funny that Matalas likely watched at least Dave's videos and nodded all the way. The people who previously worked on classic ST know nuTrek is trash, even if they can't openly say it like that (I'm aware some have said something like it, but I haven't watched yet the interviews).

He probably watched RMB's video too although they've been friends for a long time.
Also I agree, out of the 3 people named, Dave Cullen is the real Trek fan.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

erm ackshually the Pegasus was a modern ship but it was in dry-dock for maintenance when the cylons attacked.

Oh, it was? Well I learned something today. It’s been ages since I’ve seen BSG, I should give it a rewatch.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Not to sound like one of those critics who moan about “strong female characters,” but, dude, the women on Star Trek: Picard don’t do anything. The show never answered for wasting Jeri Ryan for two whole seasons. Seven shows up and she’s still getting persecuted for being Borg, like she’s some kind of sex offender. She looks exhausted by it the whole time. Like she’s waiting for her space union rep to show up. Killing off a perfectly good supporting player just to show the audience you’re serious. Forbes should have had a whole arc. A season. Multiple seasons! If it wasn’t for Picard’s extremely boring baby drama, Beverly wouldn’t have a reason to be here.

The waste of Seven was that she was not Seven, but some character played by Jery Ryan cosplaying as Dark Seven.

Her arc was to become human again, even if she retained some Borg characteristics still. 20 years later, she's dehumanized and violent.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The waste of Seven was that she was not Seven, but some character played by Jery Ryan cosplaying as Dark Seven.

Her arc was to become human again, even if she retained some Borg characteristics still. 20 years later, she's dehumanized and violent.

Seven is also a person that would never seek the Starfleet command track. Command track has a lot of weird, counterintuitive hidden tests about other cultures and people. The subtext of this scene is to sort out who has command potential and who doesn't. Those who pass it can get to wear the red uniform and those who don't get to focus on their specialty, but rarely hit senior ranks. Seven would have insulted this guy back, but she wouldn't have come up with a satisfactory explanation as to why she did. "He displayed poor etiquette" is itself not an acceptable answer. Also, the fact that in 3 years, she never went to Janeway for a field commission.

I don't see why Seven would want a career in Starfleet anyways when she would have been a very accomplished civilian scientist in the Federation. Better hours, better access to facilities.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I don't see why Seven would want a career in Starfleet anyways when she would have been a very accomplished civilian scientist in the Federation

Yeah, but she spent half her adult life in the Fenric Rangers or whatever. How do you go from that to commanding the Titan? Maybe the bald guy put in a word? The bald guy was on the outs with Starfleet, too.

It doesn’t matter, TNG did this all the time. Everyone shows up in the future: boom, Captain. When did Geordi go from engineering to command? Did he take a night class? And Beverly? She’s a doctor. A doctor doesn’t captain a ship, even a medical ship!



Barclay’s still a gold shirt as an old man though. Starfleet isn’t insane enough to give that gooner a command.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I don't see why Seven would want a career in Starfleet anyways when she would have been a very accomplished civilian scientist in the Federation. Better hours, better access to facilities.

NuTrek writers probably don't know that there are civilians, people who aren't part of Starfleet.

It makes sense that Seven would become a scientist, even if only to help the Federation to understand more of the Borg, but as a civilian who lives close to Daystrom and tries to make a life of her own. But then, NuTrek writers also don't know what a scientist is supposed to do. They see technology as magic.

It doesn’t matter, TNG did this all the time. Everyone shows up in the future: boom, Captain. When did Geordi go from engineering to command? Did he take a night class? And Beverly? She’s a doctor. A doctor doesn’t captain a ship, even a medical ship!

Starfleet officers can apply to better ranks. Troi went from being just the counselor to a bridge officer who can pilot the ship. Wouldn't be surprised if at least the main characters were interested on being able to eventually become captains out of ambition to test themselves.

Also, captains aren't just people who are like Picard. Okona was a captain as well. Beverly probably was in charge of a small ship and only a few people doing small missions. Something like how paramedics are expected to drive and know the operations of the ambulance.

 

[Miller]

Yeah, but she spent half her adult life in the Fenric Rangers or whatever. How do you go from that to commanding the Titan? Maybe the bald guy put in a word? The bald guy was on the outs with Starfleet, too.

also why would Picard be friends with her? She was Janeway's pet project.
Her being the captain of a starship makes no sense although it has been a Trek thing to give a ship to most characters.

 

[NSA]

I think in New Trek you just join starfleet whenever and your rank is based on how much rizz you have.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

And Beverly? She’s a doctor. A doctor doesn’t captain a ship, even a medical ship!

Beverly already had the rank of Commander before TNG started, and to get there and earn that rank you have to take the "Bridge Officer's test", something everyone's favorite nepo baby Troi failed a couple times at. So, what needed Crusher to do to advance to the rank of Captain? Wait.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Yeah, but she spent half her adult life in the Fenric Rangers or whatever. How do you go from that to commanding the Titan? Maybe the bald guy put in a word? The bald guy was on the outs with Starfleet, too.

It doesn’t matter, TNG did this all the time. Everyone shows up in the future: boom, Captain. When did Geordi go from engineering to command? Did he take a night class? And Beverly? She’s a doctor. A doctor doesn’t captain a ship, even a medical ship!

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Barclay’s still a gold shirt as an old man though. Starfleet isn’t insane enough to give that gooner a command.

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Geordi becoming captain makes sense because of The Arsenal of Freedom + being a department head specializing in Starship Operations. Crusher did a pretty good job in Descent Part 2 when she blew up Lore's ship with a solar flare. These people have years of experience doing administrative tasks in addition to their specialty. Who was writing Barclay's performance evaluation? Geordi before he passed it on to Troi. Crusher was a CMO managing other doctors. Seven has little experience in recognized management positions and has that resting bitch face energy. She's not really leadership material.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

On top of them being good at commanding, they all are from the Enterprise, their flagship. The experience they got from being part of the Enterprise is good enough to assume all bridge officers are captain material.

This might be one of the many reasons why people want to join the Enterprise. It's close to a teaching starship. Wesley was given his first assignment as an ensign during Season 2 and I'm sure it's the same for other ensigns, we just don't see their pov. I doubt other ships have those specific opportunities when the Enterprise's mission is just explore and there is more time to teach and learn.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I think in New Trek you just join starfleet whenever and your rank is based on how much rizz you have.

nah they have a test like the Jedi do, only they don't test for miticholorns but rather melanin.

The more melanin in your skin the higher rank your promoted too. As we all know the darker your skin the better captain you will be right?

 

[Calandrino]

nah they have a test like the Jedi do, only they don't test for miticholorns but rather melanin.

The more melanin in your skin the higher rank your promoted too. As we all know the darker your skin the better captain you will be right?

Skipped STP but I'm curious who all got promoted faster than Riker

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Skipped STP but I'm curious who all got promoted faster than Riker

Worf managed to become captain of the Enterprise E.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

nah they have a test like the Jedi do, only they don't test for miticholorns but rather melanin.

The more melanin in your skin the higher rank your promoted too. As we all know the darker your skin the better captain you will be right?

Hey, not cool. You missed a perfect opportunity to call them melacholorians.

 

[Travoltron]

Beverly already had the rank of Commander before TNG started, and to get there and earn that rank you have to take the "Bridge Officer's test", something everyone's favorite nepo baby Troi failed a couple times at.

Is there any real world Navy equivalent? Because that episode just seemed like bullshit. You just take a test to move up in rank? And Troi could somehow pass it but Data couldn't?
I get that they were trying to make Troi a little bit less useless, but it was a bit late in the game for that, IMHO.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Is there any real world Navy equivalent? Because that episode just seemed like bullshit. You just take a test to move up in rank? And Troi could somehow pass it but Data couldn't?
I get that they were trying to make Troi a little bit less useless, but it was a bit late in the game for that, IMHO.

Data doesn't have the ambition to move up a rank because he was more than ready skill-wise.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Is there any real world Navy equivalent? Because that episode just seemed like bullshit. You just take a test to move up in rank? And Troi could somehow pass it but Data couldn't?
I get that they were trying to make Troi a little bit less useless, but it was a bit late in the game for that, IMHO.

What I don't get is how she got to lieutenant commander in the first place. She's the ship's counselor, yet she outranks the chief of security.

 

[Flexo]

What I don't get is how she got to lieutenant commander in the first place. She's the ship's counselor, yet she outranks the chief of security.

Every time Worf got his ass kicked by an alien, he got demoted.

(and he would then of course get promoted for gallant service, but it's why he stalled out until he went to DS9 and finally got to command the USS Ben Sisko's Motherfuckin' Pimp Hand)