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Flexo said:
Ok meatbags. Dilemma time.
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Picard-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B0C87DFHNY/
On the one hand, you not only get TNG and the movies on bluray, but you also get a coaster set, deck of cards, and badge replicas too.

On the other hand, it also comes with the complete run of Star Trek, Picard.

Do you take the deal?
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I haven't even watched Picard. I'm assuming that by the way you're framing the question, Picard is bad. I think it seems like a good deal.

I think my mom is going to buy me the VOY series from Amazon for Christmas. i don't know why the DVDs are stacked on top of each other though.
 
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
Don't forget we learn in DS9 that "overt irritability" is a sign of attraction to them. It can lead to a lot of weird situation.
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Which is what bugs me as a trek autist with the "Bashir and Garak are gay." If anything from the way we are shown Cardassians display attraction, Garak was behaving the exact opposite towards Bashir. That to humans it may come off as affectionate should be a parable/commentary on culture clashes but tumblr has to ruin everything...

XYZpdq Jr. said:
Which puts a very odd color to Dukat and Garak constantly bickering
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What are you smoking? They barely fought except when Garak was going through drug withdrawal and the time they were stuck in the holdeck.
 
Flexo said:
Which is what bugs me as a trek autist with the "Bashir and Garak are gay." If anything from the way we are shown Cardassians display attraction, Garak was behaving the exact opposite towards Bashir. That to humans it may come off as affectionate should be a parable/commentary on culture clashes but tumblr has to ruin everything...


What are you smoking? They barely fought except when Garak was going through drug withdrawal and the time they were stuck in the holdeck.
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Dukat, not Bashir
 
Orkeosaurus said:
I've never seen discovery season 3 and I dont intend to but im just curious when they wrote the burn arc did they just completely forget that romulans dont use dilithium?
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They also forget that several species use nuclear reactors to power their warp engines, including Earth in the early years (Phoenix used such a reactor, confirmed in the novelisation of the film). The STD writers are not smart people.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I feel like Dukat would unironically say some variation of "no homo" if Garak or Damar tried asking him out.
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Both tried to kill each other a few times...

Though on reflection, Dukat did love the foreign ladies (especially Bajoran). Enough he apparently learned how to be charming towards them as they would want. (And their hostility towards him probably just turned him on.)

What if Dukat was the equivalent of a passport bro? He mentions having a wife but he's away from home a lot and cheats on her often....
 
Re: money, forgot Alexander asked Worf for some money in "Firstborn". Worf said no , but didn't sound like he didn't have it, more like he didn't want Alex being scammed.

So, Worf does possess some Klingon money for when they go to Klingon places. And I'm sure also do the rest of the crew, for similar reasons. I'm gonna assume that while Worf ain't "paid" for his job, he's entitled to some money that Starfleet gives him so he can survive among his own people and pay for expenses if he ever decided to retire there. Same for other races.

It kinda fits the first episode when Beverly is buying some fabrics and she's acting like she has credit. Money might be irrelevant for her and most humans, but they still know they have the right to some minor sums for when they visit other worlds.
 
Vindeo said:
I haven't even watched Picard. I'm assuming that by the way you're framing the question, Picard is bad. I think it seems like a good deal.
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The first two seasons of STP are just uncut garbage, like they distilled every worst instinct Brent Spiner ever had in the TNG movies and stapled it to Kurtzman's "make it more antihero, bro" writing style.

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Season three is… It’s like late-period VOY, where everything is technically Star Trek but you can feel the writers skimming Memory Alpha. They wheel out the Borg again, this time they’re tag-teaming with the Changelings for reasons that absolutely do not matter. Every scene is shot in the dark to save on money. What is this, a radio play? I hate sounding like an old man but if I have to squint to figure out what's happening, I’m just going to nod off.
 
Captain Syrup said:
Season three is… It’s like late-period VOY, where everything is technically Star Trek but you can feel the writers skimming Memory Alpha.
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Apparently Terry Matalas was fully in charge of the third season so he tried to course correct and unfuck the show as much as he could.
It's the only season of a nuTrek show where Kurtzman wasn't involved in the production. He was too busy making a new show for CBS that got cancelled after the first season (a cop drama based on Silence of the Lambs).
The third season is the only watchable season of all the Kurtzman era and it wasn't another season of Patrick Stewart's therapy session.
 
Season Three is when they remembered this is optimistic sci-fi and the characters are meant to be inspiring and likeable. Before that, they really didn't know this tiny detail.

Paraphrasing Stoklasa, all the writers know about Star Trek is "Borg", "Data", "Engage", "Earl Grey", and that Picard is the guy of the memes.
 
The third seasons begins good, like, actually genuinely good. But the more it goes the stupider it gets. I remember the moment they started hinting at that red door bullshit. "Oh... This is gonna be stupid, isn't it? I can feel it. This is going to be fucking stupid."

And then the whole Daystrom Institute was really fucking stupid and I thought "Oh no, it's getting stupid."

Then they finally kill what's her face and then the wheels come off. My reaction to when the mystery of the red door is revealed: "Uuuuugh, it's the fucking Borg again. This is more stupid than I had anticipated."

Then they kill the best new character, basically jetisson Raphee and Seven out of the story so the OG cast gets to have their big stupid reunion on the Enterprise D. Which of course my heart started to swell when I saw that but I had to punch myself in the chest "NO! Don't get fooled by nostalgia bait, it's stupid, the reason they're on this ship is stupid, an antiquated ship is somehow immune to Borg technology despite how the Borg assimilated plenty of shit from that era is stupid, stupid led to this, don't fucking let yourself be fooled, stupid!"
 
Picard 3 has some good moments that at least are respectful not just to TNG, but to the whole saga. Like visiting the ship museum and seeing the Defiant and Voyager there. If you're a fan, it does touch you a bit, even if you know that the other 99% of the show is trash.

That part and a few others were made with love and you can tell. But they were also made with a sense of embarrassment for the previous seasons that they needed to somehow try to rescue and fix due to that love for ST.

Imagine something you own that's old and you fix it in any way you can to keep using it. Then, an asshole pushes it to the extreme to keep using it and when it doesn't work as they want, they break it in purpose. That's basically what Star Trek Picard was. There is a limit on how much you can fix something to still use it or at least keep it together before considering throwing it away. There are moments that reminds us of the old Star Trek we like and we wanted, so people just gave it a chance. But like I said, it's like 1% or 5% at most of the rest of the show being trashed for how much they tear it apart previously.

Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker, and Dave Cullen all got early access to season 3 from Terry Matalas personally so of course they were glazing it.
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Out of those three, only Cullen is a true nerdy fan of ST.

It's funny that Matalas likely watched at least Dave's videos and nodded all the way. The people who previously worked on classic ST know nuTrek is trash, even if they can't openly say it like that (I'm aware some have said something like it, but I haven't watched yet the interviews).
 
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