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Captain Syrup said:
“You know, actually, the occupation was very hard for me.” :story: You have to clap for him every time he doesn’t shoot someone.

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He’s one of those guys who could have been a hero, but only if it came with a parade, a statue, and everyone agreeing he has a huge dick. Dukat helping Bajor is conditional on a psychic balm being recognized as Great, and the he pivots to the Dominion because Sisko didn’t glaze him hard enough.
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They could have done some really cool shit with Dukat. They set him up to become Cardassia's Kim Il-Sung with all the habits of an all-powerful dictator, only to pull the rug and waste an entire season on him going absolutely batshit insane. I mean, what did Dukat want:

- statues of him on Bajor
- an unlimited supply of Bajoran pussy
- to see his army of children to succeed in life
- have a slice of the good life
- have the respect of friend and foe alike
- be the hero that rides in the last second to save the day
- MAKE CARDASSIA GREAT AGAIN (and make the Bajorans pay for it)
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
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It's so funny how even DS9 which is like “the smart one,” still can’t resist time-travel filler.

Explain this to me: Dukat’s plan is literally just calling Kira and going, “Hey, by the way, I fucked your mom.” That’s it. He’s just shitposting. And how does he even remember that? This guy had, what, a warehouse of concubines. He’s got an Epstein-style black book, except it’s all Bajoran names and little notes like “annoying daughter, will grow up to be a cop.”

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Did he know about the Orb? So what was the plan? Just hope she goes back in time? We’ve already gone back to Terok Nor like six times! Every time it’s the same thing. And what does this episode add? Nothing. It adds nothing except more timeline sludge.

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Captain Syrup said:
It's so funny how even DS9 which is like “the smart one,” still can’t resist time-travel filler.

Explain this to me: Dukat’s plan is literally just calling Kira and going, “Hey, by the way, I fucked your mom.” That’s it. He’s just shitposting. And how does he even remember that? This guy had, what, a warehouse of concubines. He’s got an Epstein-style black book, except it’s all Bajoran names and little notes like “annoying daughter, will grow up to be a cop.”

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Did he know about the Orb? So what was the plan? Just hope she goes back in time? We’ve already gone back to Terok Nor like six times! Every time it’s the same thing. And what does this episode add? Nothing. It adds nothing except more timeline sludge.

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He remembers, because he had a notebook full with the names, traits, kinks, quirks and habits of all the Bajoran concubines he'd ever fucked. Remember, the dude is a Cardassian, and they're like Germans - they record just about everything in official documents. I wouldn't be surprised if Dukat deployed scientists to find the perfect concubines. That's the level of autism you could expect from a man in his position.

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So, what was the point here? Well, aside from asserting dominance, making sure Kira understood that he never lied to her, ever. Kira could have pulled some cool timetravel bullshit and just go "fuck it, I'm gonna kill that bastard", but didn't. Instead of throwing the occupation into chaos, giving the Resistance a fighting chance and saving thousands, she chose to leave everything unchanged. Nah, Dukat was right; without him the ridgenoses never amounted much to anything.
 
Captain Syrup said:
It's so funny how even DS9 which is like “the smart one,” still can’t resist time-travel filler.

Explain this to me: Dukat’s plan is literally just calling Kira and going, “Hey, by the way, I fucked your mom.” That’s it. He’s just shitposting. And how does he even remember that? This guy had, what, a warehouse of concubines. He’s got an Epstein-style black book, except it’s all Bajoran names and little notes like “annoying daughter, will grow up to be a cop.”

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Did he know about the Orb? So what was the plan? Just hope she goes back in time? We’ve already gone back to Terok Nor like six times! Every time it’s the same thing. And what does this episode add? Nothing. It adds nothing except more timeline sludge.

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They could have done a far better exploration of it.

Have Kira go travel Bajor, interviewing people, digging into archives, maybe even have Garak along as someone who can access old Cardassian data files. Garak and Kira can get a little shared screentime (which never really happened), talk about the occupation, maybe even get a few more insights into how Garak and Dukat interacted during the their time on Bajor. You can still have her mother and Dukat show up in flashbacks. In the end, Kira gets to confront what her mother did and learn the truth and Garak gets a chance comfort her a little.

However, instead we got more timey wimey bullshit, plus I am sure that setting the whole thing on DS9 was nice and cheap as it didn’t need new sets.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
She still goes to cons and I guess makes some cash from it. People also remembers her fondly from the show. Same for Denise Crosby. Yesterday's Enterprise is perhaps the highest rated tng episode and she's an important part of it. They both took a bad decision, but it wasn't as catastrophic as people tend to think.
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I never blamed Crosby for leaving. Season One of TNG is god awful. Rather, I find it shocking everybody else stuck around as long as they did.
 
Captain Manning said:
I never blamed Crosby for leaving. Season One of TNG is god awful. Rather, I find it shocking everybody else stuck around as long as they did.
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Plus it was a pretty crowded ensemble, it was probably a good thing to eliminate a character, there was more room for the others to develop, especially Worf and Data, who were enriched by her death.
 
Sayer of the N-Word said:
Plus it was a pretty crowded ensemble, it was probably a good thing to eliminate a character, there was more room for the others to develop, especially Worf and Data, who were enriched by her death.
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Tasha is supposed to be Proto-Ro Laren, right? She’s from the murder-rape planet. She grew up in a Mad Max scenario. Anyway, she immediately submits to this ooga-booga spear chucking villain.

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What was the point of the backstory then? Just say she’s from Connecticut.

It's like Gene read half of a script and was like, “OK but where is the part where she gets kidnapped and beamed to my sex island thing?"

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“You must fight my wife to the death to see who becomes my queen,” and Denise's reaction is Windows 95 error noise. What do you even do with this actress? That’s why they killed her with an evil oil slick.
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Especially Patrick Stewart. Back then, he had a pretentious ego and five curtain calls.

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I hate movies with actors playing actors, but Galaxy Quest is so good. Alan Rickman went method in that movie. “I trained at RADA and now some fat bloke in cargo shorts is shouting ‘Yippee-ki-yay’ at me.” That convention scene was just his real life. He said he got déjà vu filming it.:story:

 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Especially Patrick Stewart. Back then, he had a pretentious ego and five curtain calls.

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Captain Manning said:
Stewart signed a six year contract because he was convinced the whole thing was gonna fall flat on its ass and then he could go back to stage acting.

And, it retrospect, it's a miracle it didn't.
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Didn't Stewart originally wanted to leave after season 2 and the Best of Both Worlds was written as an exit but then he changed his mind?
 
Miller said:
Didn't Stewart originally wanted to leave after season 2 and the Best of Both Worlds was written as an exit but then he changed his mind?
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Stewart was basically trying to shake them down for more money, which, fair enough. And the writers were panicking like, “Uh, OK, what if a forklift kills him?”

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But they were fully ready to replace him. Riker’s the captain, Shelby’s the first officer. Then BOBW airs and America loses its mind. “Noo, you can’t kill our space dad.” Stewart realizes he’s in the shit because he’s famous now. According to him he was driving his convertible and some lady pulled up next to him yelling, “You have ruined my summer!”
 
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Captain Syrup said:
Stewart was basically trying to shake them down for more money, which, fair enough. And the writers were panicking like, “Uh, OK, what if a forklift kills him?”

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But they were fully ready to replace him. Riker’s the captain, Shelby’s the first officer. Then BOBW airs and America loses its mind. “Noo, you can’t kill our space dad.” Stewart realizes he’s in the shit because he’s famous now. According to him he was driving his convertible and some lady pulled up next to him yelling, “You have ruined my summer!”
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After watching the first episode of Picard, I sure hope he doesn't drive a convertible anymore. Or a hardtop with a sunroof, because I would totally take a shit in the sunroof if I saw him driving around after that show!
 
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