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Not if his death got the romulans to join the war...
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He doesn't even get on to a spaceship until the end of the third episode. Stupid I can cope with, but this shit is stupid and boring.
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Haven't checked out Picard cause i hear its awful. Are the rumors I hear about them having Seven brutally murdering Icheb true?
And if it is...WTF.....
And if it is...WTF.....
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nah, she doesn't brutally murder him. She does kill him though, very unnecessarily. I'm not going to spoiler it because honestly, who even fucking cares, but ep 5 has a cold open with Icheb getting his eye ripped out by some fuckers who kidnap Borg and harvest them for parts. Seven storms in, kills the person "operating" on him and has a weepy farewell with him (not even giving a throwaway line about why she can't just take him and maybe try to save his life??) before phasering him.
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The proper term is "mercy killing"... you know, that thing Star Trek deserves and is in desperate need of now.
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Why the hell is going "off-world" made out like a big deal in this? Hopping around the solar system or nearby stars was the equivalent of taking a bus on TNG.
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Actually it's not a big deal in this show, they made it clear with one of the characters who said that "space is boring" and that there are "only 3 billion stars" in the galaxy. The people who are making the show aren't really interested in exploring space and the unknown, it's just another CW teen drama capeshit show but with more edgy writing. It's called Star Trek Picard but there's no Star Trek and Picard isn't the main character.
I wonder if we will ever see a ship from Starfleet in this show.
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Reminder, this is a universe where the Doctor from Voyager was able to bring people back to life after death. Multiple times.
But losing an eye is a death sentence.
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An artificial eye to boot. In a universe where we have already seen a blind man's sight completely returned to him with prosthetics (in the movies) Or just wear an eye patch if that's too much work.
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Glad I don't watch it not sure what they are thinking of now. I'll just enjoy reruns of tng, voyager and ds9.
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Borgs store all their life in the eye socket.
I watched Duet again, it was still great.
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it's flashy, but that only distracts you until you stop drooling and switch on your brain again. there's so much stupid stuff in it even on a simple technical level, like how stuff is cut etc. (watch the rooftop fight in ep1 when she picks up the gun). usually I never notice stuff like that or can overlook it if the rest makes up for it, but here it just adds to the pile without any payoff.
it feels more like a shitty holo-novel they did during the second episode of TNG season 1, least that would explain it.
watching rich and mike suffer through it is way more fun than the series itself (ironically applicable to almost any nu-media these days).
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So I guess the Voyager EMH is completely offline? Completely? You know, a literal synthetic consciousness that has the best track record in the Galaxy of reclaiming Borg? Didn't think to put him into service on the Romulan Borg cube with his mobile emitter?
Do the Romulans know about the Bynars, aka Borg lite?
Am I watching a series that's setting up a retarded time loop plot? Even more retarded than the Borg origin in the novelverse, in which we can blame a woman captain for the Borg happening.
I still say I'd rather have seen a proper 13 or 26 episode season. No matter how much I hate this. There were a couple of good sequences involving Rios and Seven. So did Rios split his memories up into Horcruxes, or what?
Finally, Picard says he served on the Reliant? How old is he? I know what the Reliant's last mission was.
Do the Romulans know about the Bynars, aka Borg lite?
Am I watching a series that's setting up a retarded time loop plot? Even more retarded than the Borg origin in the novelverse, in which we can blame a woman captain for the Borg happening.
I still say I'd rather have seen a proper 13 or 26 episode season. No matter how much I hate this. There were a couple of good sequences involving Rios and Seven. So did Rios split his memories up into Horcruxes, or what?
Finally, Picard says he served on the Reliant? How old is he? I know what the Reliant's last mission was.
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Different ShipFinally, Picard says he served on the Reliant? How old is he? I know what the Reliant's last mission was.
Picard was born something like 20 years after Wrath of Khan. Kurtzman doesn't give a shit about continuity, but even he isn't that blatant about it.
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The constant killing off of good background characters from TNG is just becoming an actual annoyance by this point and is the usual nu-media bullshit being pulled by people because they cannot write an interesting character to save their liveskjjh.
Seeing Frakes and Sirtis in and not being pointlessly murdered was great, and likely the only reason they turned up to show they could help and would be useful... which means this will be the only fucking episode we see either of them in. Because these characters had some depth from the start despite them both basically being tropes to begin with (Frakes being the Horny, Kirkian character in early TNG).
I have to say, I kind of like the idea of a darker, more insular Federation though? If we go by DS9's ending pretty much every major threat is done with. The Alpha Quadrant is near unified but with shakey diplomatic backgrounds and the Federation has either neutralised most threats or bedded them down to the point it would become very insular.
The issue surrounding Mars and the loss of the evacuation fleet being built is a pretty good and big issue for the Federation to deal with. The option Picard was then trying to push for was to basically strip the Federation of all but a skeletal defence force which was not going to fly to a Federation which had just faced a threat as big as The Dominion and is still a tad worried about the Klingons despite signing alliances again.
Seeing Frakes and Sirtis in and not being pointlessly murdered was great, and likely the only reason they turned up to show they could help and would be useful... which means this will be the only fucking episode we see either of them in. Because these characters had some depth from the start despite them both basically being tropes to begin with (Frakes being the Horny, Kirkian character in early TNG).
I have to say, I kind of like the idea of a darker, more insular Federation though? If we go by DS9's ending pretty much every major threat is done with. The Alpha Quadrant is near unified but with shakey diplomatic backgrounds and the Federation has either neutralised most threats or bedded them down to the point it would become very insular.
The issue surrounding Mars and the loss of the evacuation fleet being built is a pretty good and big issue for the Federation to deal with. The option Picard was then trying to push for was to basically strip the Federation of all but a skeletal defence force which was not going to fly to a Federation which had just faced a threat as big as The Dominion and is still a tad worried about the Klingons despite signing alliances again.
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The Reapers Zhat Vash are the bad guys of this story apparently. I thought there would be a twist but no, Kurtzman and Chabon are that predictable. This secret organization was created by a group of female romulans (how original) after they had a vision on a planet in a weird system that has 8 (?) stars. I wonder who created that star system, they will probably never explain that.
The Doctor tells Picard that she killed Maddox, that she got mind-melt by the half-romulan half-vulcan head of Starfleet Security, she can't tell him what she saw in the vision but it's ok because Soji happens to have watched the previous episodes and knows about the super duper secret romulan cult and their mission.
8 episodes and finally some background on Rios and his time in Starfleet but no flashback (it could have been cool to see a Starfleet ship but you can't have that). I prefer the original scene with Tigh and Fisk from the BSG episode "Pegasus".
I don't like the way they're writing the characters. They shouldn't get to the conclusion of something like if they had access to the script. We already had that kind of shit in the pilot when Picard met Dahj for the first time, he said something like "oh, you don't know who you are, where you are? You must be an android. I had an android friend once, it's ok, don't panic, I will help you". Now it's Raffi who - despite being an alcoholic and a drug addict - manages to understand the situation better than anyone.
Also I might have misheard the dialogues but there are many copies of the Dahj/Soji model?
"Don't call me lassie" - Raffi, who calls Picard "JL".
The Doctor tells Picard that she killed Maddox, that she got mind-melt by the half-romulan half-vulcan head of Starfleet Security, she can't tell him what she saw in the vision but it's ok because Soji happens to have watched the previous episodes and knows about the super duper secret romulan cult and their mission.
8 episodes and finally some background on Rios and his time in Starfleet but no flashback (it could have been cool to see a Starfleet ship but you can't have that). I prefer the original scene with Tigh and Fisk from the BSG episode "Pegasus".
I don't like the way they're writing the characters. They shouldn't get to the conclusion of something like if they had access to the script. We already had that kind of shit in the pilot when Picard met Dahj for the first time, he said something like "oh, you don't know who you are, where you are? You must be an android. I had an android friend once, it's ok, don't panic, I will help you". Now it's Raffi who - despite being an alcoholic and a drug addict - manages to understand the situation better than anyone.
Also I might have misheard the dialogues but there are many copies of the Dahj/Soji model?
"Don't call me lassie" - Raffi, who calls Picard "JL".
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I think the key difference was that DS9 understood that the best way to make an inherently optimistic show darker was by putting Good people in bad situations; not making your "heroes" assholes that are slightly less messed up than the villains.
I don't doubt Sisko is every bit a good person as Picard is, but you could feel that what he did to win the dominion war pushed him to the edge. I think the key difference between the two is that Sisko wouldn't doubt to sacrifice his conscience if it meant saving lives, while Picard would never sacrifice his morals even if that had meant they all would be dominion citizens by now.
There's a very good reason section 31 was so secretive, besides them being very good spies. Kurtzman is trying to push a show for them, and have them as the cool and edgy group which is missing the point. While the Cardassians and the Romulans were proud of the Obsidian Order and the Tal shiar, In DS9 every single good guy in the federation was ashamed of the idea of section 31 even existing.
Hacks like Kurtzman's idea of "darker" is to just make the heroes depressed, drug addict assholes, which is fine for a 15-year old that thinks smoking is cool, but incredibly childish otherwise.
TL;DR the best way to make the federation darker, without compromising Star Trek's whole concept, was putting them in difficult situations not making them outright bad guys for a poor Brexit methaphor.
Yeap, apparently the captain knew yet another woman that looked exactly the same to Soji, for some reason.
Also... is it just me or did this episode feel completely disconnected from the last one? Why are Soji and Picard again back with Raffi and the others? Weren't they with Riker's family on their way to meet another captain after Kestra helped them?
The last episode before this one indeed feels like a last-minute addition, not that I'm complaining about seeing Riker again, but still seems like they just added the blue tracker plot to justify a detour for nostalgia that wasn't there in the first place.
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It would have been interesting to reveal that the synths were a desperate Dominion war measure to try and shore up Federation numbers.
From there you could have an interesting story, but we know the show can't have any nuance about those being mean to the refugees.