Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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No, she was totally serious. The smart scientist lady thinks space is "boring"
That would be interesting if she was worked in some other field of study, and something happened that taught her and the space explorers the value of their respective points of view. Like the ship encounters some problem that needs her expertise to solve, and she comes to appreciate how explorers find new data that she can't generate in the lab. That's very Old Trek of me, I know.

So there is now a full on synth planet that predates the federation, contact with whom which causes massive mindfucks, and all this shit has something to do with the Borg and ancient space secrets....
Something tells me all of this has happened before.
 
That would be interesting if she was worked in some other field of study, and something happened that taught her and the space explorers the value of their respective points of view. Like the ship encounters some problem that needs her expertise to solve, and she comes to appreciate how explorers find new data that she can't generate in the lab. That's very Old Trek of me, I know.

But vagina, so automatically smarter than all men.
 
It's not just that, it's fear of the unknown, of the vastness of space that takes decades to cross. A galaxy with a staggering 400 billions stars, yet aside from Earth seems to be dead. What would we encounter out in space, where no one can hear you scream not because of the vacuum of space, but because the speed of light keeps you lifetimes away from any help?

As the crew of the Nostromo discover, the galaxy isn't dead. And this is a worse fate. Instead it's full of genuinely alien creatures that humans never evolved to confront. The Nostromo encounters a spacecraft, but it has been a wreck for millions of years. It's builders are no longer around, nor it seems, is anyone but ourselves. Based on this limited and negative evidence, one can only assume that this is the fate of all creatures like us.

The apex of evolution isn't sapience, it is a creature who can kill and reproduce as efficiently as possible.

The Alien EU or some sequel probably contradicts this impression but I don't give a shit. Less was more.

Alien Covenant ruins that from what I understand.

But that's ok, for me the Alien franchise is only Alien, Aliens and the later video game Alien: Isolation, that's it.
 
Alien Covenant ruins that from what I understand.

But that's ok, for me the Alien franchise is only Alien, Aliens and the later video game Alien: Isolation, that's it.
Dark Horse did good stuff in the comics for a while, also that short book with Shitkicker.
 
Titan is definitely an unimaginative diversity shitshow of figuring out to stick various cookie-cutter aliens in Earth atmostphere and gravity in half-assed ways.

But, bear with me, if Picard ends with Riker's pet Velociraptor dual welding disruptors and riding atop a borg cube into battle, is it not worth it?
Are the books even half as interesting as you're making them sound? Because if so I need to read them.
I don't know what universe you're talking about, but I can tell you for certain it's not the one inhabited by the Weyland-Yutani Corporation.
True, I didn't even mention that. The only possible help you could get is actually trying to sabotage and kill you.
Humans never "evolved" to travel between planets through the vacuum of outer space, either, and that is a far more challenging problem than dealing with the odd infestation by space bugs.
Correct, the xenomorphs appear to be more capable in that regard. (Not travelling of course, but surviving in extreme conditions.) And this odd infestation by space bugs has apparently wiped out the space jockeys. (Admittedly this is based on subjective interpretation and not hard evidence in the film, it may be that the derelict ship was the only one affected by xenomorphs. But then where did all the other space jockeys go? The film has Fermi paradox written all over it, even if that was unintentional.)
Oh ye of little faith. 😆
I'm just interpreting what was in the film, not expressing my own beliefs on the universe.
Not the xenomorph, in other words. 😏
Again, less was more.
Ironically, you're actually invoking the Alien EU and its recurring theme of nihilistic wackjobs worshipping the xenomorph, by your insistence that there's some terrible cosmic significance to the critter, in defiance of the reality, which is that it's basically just a tarantula wasp with a berserk pituary gland. 😉
I don't see how there's any cosmic significance to the things, that's the exact opposite of what I was saying. There is no cosmic significance to anything. The universe in Alien seems nihilistic and that adds to the horror.
 
I don't know if Star Trek ever fully explored the idea that the Borg Collective is a lot of people's idea of Utopia. There's no poverty or prejudice among the Borg. There's a place for everyone and everyone is in their place, forever. It's the Federation, but through a scanner, darkly.

I've been watching Voyager and I find it very cool that Seven speaks positively of the Collective as regards to individuality in several areas; and when given the option of returning to the Collective she genuinely considers it. Unfortunately they seems to have slightly messed that up (I haven't finished Voyager, yet) but it's definitely there and adds quite a bit. I also like how it several times shows up that when Janeway's attempts at persuading someone to do something willingly fail, she still wont budge on what she thinks is right. I maintain, Janeway would make the very best of villains. Admirable, sympathetic, resourceful and utterly convinced she is right.



Xenomorphs are scary in the same way that any large animal with a lot of pointy teeth and an aggressive disposition is scary. They're ultimately just big bugs with a self-defeatingly complicated reproductive process.

"They turned off the power. How could they do that, man? They're animals man? How could they know how to do that?"
"Hudson, be quiet!"

Aside from the xenomorphs actually showing evidence of intelligence and communication within the first two films, they're not just "large animals". Thematically and visually there's a strong symbolic layer to them. The explicitly sexual design, the rape and impregnation metaphor expanded to encompass males who don't normally experience that fear, the psychological pitting of two female archetypes (protective mother and vengeful fury) against each other in the original films to add a mythological element... It goes much beyond a simple 'dangerous animal' feel to something a lot more psychologically upsetting to most people.

Isolation basically punches holes in Alien and Aliens' continuity, though.

Does it? As well from being hugely respectful of the original movie visually and atmospherically (other than changing the feet / legs of the alien which was a deliberate design decision going back on something that Scott was forced to do because of the SFX limitations of the day), it seemed to a very good job of fitting in with the plot and established facts of the original two movies. I can think of one thing which could be taken as a contradiction of the second movie, but that's only kind of and certainly not a contradiction just an additional unknown.
 
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I've been watching Voyager and I find it very cool that Seven speaks positively of the Collective as regards to individuality in several areas; and when given the option of returning to the Collective she genuinely considers it. Unfortunately they seems to have slightly messed that up (I haven't finished Voyager, yet) but it's definitely there and adds quite a bit. I also like how it several times shows up that when Janeway's attempts at persuading someone to do something willingly fail, she still wont budge on what she thinks is right. I maintain, Janeway would make the very best of villains. Admirable, sympathetic, resourceful and utterly convinced she is right.
Sfdebris loves to joke that Janeway has her own collective.

He touched on possible origins for the Borg here.
 
Are the books even half as interesting as you're making them sound? Because if so I need to read them.

That's actually a more difficult answer than I thought at first.

There's a lot of crazy bonkers shit happening in them, but some people like like that. The TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT relaunch books continue the stories after the series ended and it's one big interconnected serial that's been going on for almost twenty years. They're vibe is very much TNG-movie/Nu-trek. Lots of BIG events, death, destruction, and melodrama. Very little exploration or philosophy.

Personally I think the writing is shit and the storyline is a convoluted wankfest from an ever shrinking clique of self-absorbed hack writers who have a very different interpretation of Star Trek than I do.

But, I'm not one to tell a stranger what they will or won't like, so if you're genuinely curious then pirate the "Destiny" trilogy. It's sort of the pivotal universe defining story of the relaunch books, and gives a clear picture of the world, tone, and story they've set up without having to slog through the backstory.
 
Ok I gotta stop watching these "how many times picard fucks up the franchise" videos or im going to have a fucking stroke


EDIT: fucking christ I just saw another clip of picard's evil frenchman minstral show....
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Ok I gotta stop watching these "how many times picard fucks up the franchise" videos or im going to have a fucking stroke

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mZsbm7TDvUQ
EDIT: fucking christ I just saw another clip of picard's evil frenchman minstral show....
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Like I know people say "well continuity isn't the best in franchise, so it's ok" but there's continuity errors and then there is just shitting things out.
 
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Like I know people say "well continuity isn't the best in franchise, so it's ok" but there's continuity errors and then there is just shitting things out.
Just contrast those two scenes with romulans in that video...

The actor playing the Admiral talking with Data just has such a gravitas and weight to his delivery. You can tell he's a bit homesick. Meanwhile the housekeeper is just... flippant, empty. One feels like a real character brought to life, the other feels like an actress acting.
 
To begin with, the entire plot of the game relies on there having been a large, commercial space-station within spitting distance of LV-426 before and after the events of the first film, which basically renders just about everything that happens in both Alien and Aliens completely nonsensical.

True, I didn't even mention that. The only possible help you could get is actually trying to sabotage and kill you.
For all the good it will do them if it takes "lifetimes" to reach their intended victims in your universe. 😏

To be a little less facetious, Lambert mentions that it will take the Nostromo about ten months to return to Earth from LV-426 (a distance of about 40 light years), albeit that calculation is apparently due damage and and expenditure of fuel from landing on LV-426, so the vessel could probably arrive sooner under normal circumstances. Military starships (or perhaps just the starships of fifty years later generally) appear to have much faster FTL capability.

Correct, the xenomorphs appear to be more capable in that regard. (Not travelling of course, but surviving in extreme conditions.)
Not necessarily. There's no way to say whether xeno eggs can survive for millenia in their natural state, or whether the machinery of the Space Jockey's ship was preserving them.

And this odd infestation by space bugs has apparently wiped out the space jockeys. (Admittedly this is based on subjective interpretation and not hard evidence in the film, it may be that the derelict ship was the only one affected by xenomorphs. But then where did all the other space jockeys go?
Where did Ameilia Earhart? It's a big galaxy.

I'm just interpreting what was in the film, not expressing my own beliefs on the universe.
You are absolutely expressing your own beliefs on the universe. 😉

Again, less was more.
LOL

Tribbles are better "evolved."

I don't see how there's any cosmic significance to the things, that's the exact opposite of what I was saying. There is no cosmic significance to anything.
Which, ironically, leads to investing the xenomorph with a warped, sort of cosmic significance, like all of Lovecraft's weird gods evolving out of his belief in an empty, godless universe.

The universe in Alien seems nihilistic and that adds to the horror.
That is, again, you projecting your own beliefs onto something else.

"They turned off the power. How could they do that, man? They're animals man? How could they know how to do that?"

Aside from the xenomorphs actually showing evidence of intelligence and communication within the first two films, they're not just "large animals". Thematically and visually there's a strong symbolic layer to them. The explicitly sexual design, the rape and impregnation metaphor expanded to encompass males who don't normally experience that fear, the psychological pitting of two female archetypes (protective mother and vengeful fury) against each other in the original films to add a mythological element... It goes much beyond a simple 'dangerous animal' feel to something a lot more psychologically upsetting to most people.
If you're watching from the other side of a TV screen. In practical terms, the xenos are simply large, aggressive animals. They can't harm you if you're not standing within arms-reach, they can't build tools, and while they might be smarter than the average bear, even a disoriented fire-team's worth of Colonial Marines with most of their weapons and gear wrecked or inaccessible can still chew through hundreds of them.

Does it? As well from being hugely respectful of the original movie visually and atmospherically (other than changing the feet / legs of the alien which was a deliberate design decision going back on something that Scott was forced to do because of the SFX limitations of the day)...
Maybe they should have made its skin translucent and full of wriggling maggots, as was also envisioned and then dropped because of the SFX limitations of the day (specifically, the maggots kept going to sleep under the warmth of the studio lights, ruining the intended effect).

That said, Isolation didn't just change the xeno's feet. It also changed a very stealthy, poised, slow-moving ambush hunter into a slobbering, growling, stomping monster with no subtlety or suggestiveness at all, that thumps around like a hyperactive Velociraptor, making huge amounts of noise in air vents and jumping out at the player like a cheap carnival trick. The game was so hugely respectful of the original movie that it also blatantly violated one of the core concepts that Dan O'Bannon designed the xenomorph around in the first place by making it immune to gunfire (O'Bannon being heartily sick of the bulletproof monster cliche).

...it seemed to a very good job of fitting in with the plot and established facts of the original two movies. I can think of one thing which could be taken as a contradiction of the second movie, but that's only kind of and certainly not a contradiction just an additional unknown.
I don't think there's a single major plot-point from that game that makes any sense in continuity with the movies. 🤔
 
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