Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Flexo]

I liked TNG's first season. Watching it much later, it was thematically the same as TOS. When I watch TNG now, I can't get thru all of Season 2, it's just God awful compared to it and everything else that follows, despite the few good episodes in it.

Got to mark you disagree for that, sorry.

There's also one written by Walter Koenig that's supposed to be a followup on the Eugenics Wars, but it involves an exiled Earth scientist from that era deciding to take over the Galaxy with giant clones of Spock. It's also considered to be the absolute WORST episode of TAS, so there you go.

A buddy of mine got to ask Walter about that at a convention. Poor guy.

Anyway, the episode:

Star Trek (TAS): The Infinite Vulcan

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Larry Niven's Kzinti also were supposed to be in DS9, but they called them "Tzenkethi." The furry member of the Enterprise in TAS was supposed to be from an offshoot of their species.

The Kzinti also actually showed up in the animated series.

Star Trek (TAS): The Slaver Weapon

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Also we all know Kirk was into catgirls. If the TAS wasn't enough to prove it, there's Star Trek 5 (where he got the pussy wet).

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I really dislike Star Trek TNG season 2. Give me your hats.

 

[Racist Trash]

I think the first season I enjoyed the most was DS9 I mean I know it has the utterly bizarre game episode but it also has Duet, That time Dax gets put on trial and Bajoran pope getting banished to war world with infinite respawns.

 

[ditto]

The actress who played Dax was the weakest part of DS9.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I really dislike Star Trek TNG season 2. Give me your hats.

Season 2 is not great, but the only truly bad season of TNG is season 6.

 

[Overly Serious]

So I've been watching Enterprise, first Season. There are elements of it I really appreciate but I have to ask - does it get better?

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Wrapped up Picard. In short it wasn't even entertainingly bad like ST: D was on occasion. Just kind of a disappointing wet fart.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

Even though I do love Trek, I cannot watch TOS or a lot of TNG season 1.
The former being cutting edge for its time, but I just loathe the 60's stench it has. And TNG season 1 is by far the absolute worst of classic Trek I've ever seen; they are just painful to watch, and a lot of them are rehashed TOS episodes and it shows.
But they don't have the novelty of being groundbreaking for the time, or even going along with a 60s aesthetic; they are just boring.

 

[Uranus Pink]

So I've been watching Enterprise, first Season. There are elements of it I really appreciate but I have to ask - does it get better?

İmho it does but the show as a whole is a definition case of "YMMV."

 

[TaimuRadiu]

So I've been watching Enterprise, first Season. There are elements of it I really appreciate but I have to ask - does it get better?

no

Season 2 is not great, but the only truly bad season of TNG is season 6.

Season 7 was a real stinker. I was told I think this way because I was watching it at the time. For every "Gambit" or "Parallels" there was that one last episode with Wesley with Mr Badtouch, the one when Barclay turned into a spider, or the one when Crusher takes it up the ass from a ghost - or Data crashlands on a planet, forgets who he is, and gives everyone around him radiation poisoning.

 

[ZMOT]

the one when Barclay turned into a spider, or the one when Crusher takes it up the ass from a ghost - or Data crashlands on a planet, forgets who he is, and gives everyone around him radiation poisoning.

and now explain how this is bad...?

 

[TaimuRadiu]

and now explain how this is bad...?

1. That's not how evolution works (see also, The Chase)
2. Sub Rosa is usually considered to be bar none the absolute worst episode of TNG that isn't the clip show at the end of season 2
3. Why was the invaluable android sent out to do something a shuttlecraft could have done with drones from space? Why was it supposed to teach me the values of not being prejudiced when the fact is anyone who came near him got poisoned with the poison rocks he was carrying around?

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

İmho it does but the show as a whole is a definition case of "YMMV."

My biggest complaint regarding ENT was how outside of the federation, the galaxy still felt 'established.' Like every villain and major race was still out there and doing stuff already. The Klingon empire already existed, the Ferrengi were doing shit, etc. Would have been nice to see some important races going out there in shitty ships trying to do stuff. Also, I also disliked how it always felt like the enterprise was outclassed every time. Everybody outclassed them.

Also, fellow Sisko dicksucker here.

This is why Sisko is the most badass captain

Sisko doesn't play. Sisko doesn't bluff. Sisko will own your ass. This is from For the Uniform

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[Prompt Critical]

The actress who played Dax was the weakest part of DS9.

I don't really agree with this.

Granted, overall Dax was probably the weakest character of the regular cast - although in S1 specifically I'd still put her over Bashir who is just bland and insufferable by degrees. But I tend to think this is more because the writers really had no idea what to do with her, and as a result she never developed a consistent character voice or deep connection with the other regulars. I find it hard to blame that on the actress, who seems to have been competent enough. Nor did replacing her in S7 with a different actress really seem to significantly improve the issues the character had, in my opinion.

 

[Uranus Pink]

My biggest complaint regarding ENT was how outside of the federation, the galaxy still felt 'established.' Like every villain and major race was still out there and doing stuff already. The Klingon empire already existed, the Ferrengi were doing shit, etc.

Absolutely no argument on this one.

Would have been nice to see some important races going out there in shitty ships trying to do stuff.

Would have loved to seen the Enterprise as a brand Daedalus class vessel or any Not!FASA design of the same time period not the Akiraprise.

Also, I also disliked how it always felt like the enterprise was outclassed every time. Everybody outclassed them.

A running gag that stopped being funny after the second or third episode. Even then the gag is better use on either an older ship, a junker or experimental like in "The Irresponsible Captain Tyler" or "Farscape" not the brand new top of the line vessel on very important mission like "Space Battleship Yamato."
Sticking to IRL naval weaponry, weapons in the same class let's say battleship main guns (12 in. to 16 in.) must be respected. Regardless of any deficiency present as any hit by them is still going the effing hurt especially for everything that isn't a battleship.

Nevermind it going against canon using the wrong weapons for that time period as lasers were still in use until first season of TOS. Old canon had the Federation and Romulans going at it with lasers and atomics (or was it nukes?) during their war and iirc the same Federation and Klingon war.

 

[Twinkletard]

ENT lost me at the Bryan Adams song. I think I turned the TV off in the middle of it.

 

[Miller]

Also, I also disliked how it always felt like the enterprise was outclassed every time. Everybody outclassed them.

I actually liked that. They were going where no human has gone before, they weren't prepared for what/who they would encounter. They had to learn from their mistakes. The ship got more weapons, a squad of MACOs during their adventure into the Delphic Expanse, in season 5 we could have seen the NX-01 refit and have a ship that is closer to the design of the TOS era.

 

[Flexo]

I actually liked that. They were going where no human has gone before, they weren't prepared for what/who they would encounter. They had to learn from their mistakes. The ship got more weapons, a squad of MACOs during their adventure into the Delphic Expanse, in season 5 we could have seen the NX-01 refit and have a ship that is closer to the design of the TOS era.

I feel ya but part of the problem was the sheer dragging feet of it.

S1 - Ok, we get our asses kicked, but each time we learn something and we keep upgrading the ship more and more.
S2 - Ship is now holding its own more and more, we're still working on upgrades but making some friends now.
S3 - WAR! Oh shit, now we put all those upgrades & friendships to the absolute test.
S4- Victory! Pick up the pieces, solidify the friendships into the beginning federation.

Of course if they assumed they got the full 7 seasons, I can see why you might think things have to be dragged out. But then that just leads you to getting stuck with only 4 and being the 2nd Trek to be canceled on air.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Would have loved to seen the Enterprise as a brand Daedalus class vessel or any Not!FASA design of the same time period not the Akiraprise.

I can see why they didn't. The Daedalus is, however venerable a design amongst the really hardcore fans, horribly ungainly-looking, and likely to cause confusion for casual viewers coming off of four solid decades of Starfleet vessels being immediately visually-distinguishable by the almost omnipresent design convention of the saucer-shaped primary hull.

I feel ya but part of the problem was the sheer dragging feet of it.

S1 - Ok, we get our asses kicked, but each time we learn something and we keep upgrading the ship more and more.
S2 - Ship is now holding its own more and more, we're still working on upgrades but making some friends now.
S3 - WAR! Oh shit, now we put all those upgrades & friendships to the absolute test.
S4- Victory! Pick up the pieces, solidify the friendships into the beginning federation.

Like @Miller, I feel that the above actually worked rather well.

 

[ditto]

I actually liked that. They were going where no human has gone before, they weren't prepared for what/who they would encounter. They had to learn from their mistakes. The ship got more weapons, a squad of MACOs during their adventure into the Delphic Expanse, in season 5 we could have seen the NX-01 refit and have a ship that is closer to the design of the TOS era.

Rewatching Voyager again and every alien they meet so far are amazed by the Voyager and it's technology. They feel incredibly overpowered. A shuttlecraft can easily destroy a Kazon ship.