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Flexo said:
On the other hand, it does "send" you somewhere, there's a big question of how in the world do you "rematerialize" on an alien world - what the heck is putting you back together?
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The advantage to this theory of it is it doesn't blatantly violate conservation of matter and energy. Also if you converted someone into some kind of energy beam and directed it somewhere, or even did that to any kind of matter like a sack of potatoes, it would contain the energy of a bunch of nuclear weapons and could probably at least take a giant chunk out of an entire planet.
 
L50LasPak said:
I like to bring this scene up whenever someone gives me shit about Star Trek being "for kids" or its somehow not edgy enough to be real sci-fi. Bonus points to it being part of TMP, which people also complain is boring.



One of Trek's biggest weaknesses is that the transporter apparently does that until it doesn't. Someone brought up the Scotty episode earlier, Relics, and its a great example of how the transporter doesn't just reduce you to info, instead it somehow puts you into the "beam". If it just made a copy of you, crew members could just be stored permanently in the computer every time they beam. But Scotty had to dick with the system to store his pattern in the computer's RAM, apparently. So does this thing vaporize you or does it just make you into a ghost and laser you at the target location? Its confusing as all hell.

Also don't get me started on the episode where Barclay is somehow conscious during transport, which makes no sense with either theory.
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There's also an episode of Enterprise where Hoshi's materialization is delayed / drawn out. For outsiders it's a few seconds but subjectively she goes through three days of vivid hallucinations and confusion. Transporters can't work by just copying information and then replicating it at the other end. If they did it would make a nonsense of every time they beamed some rare elements they desperately needed onto the ship. Or beamed someone where there wasn't any receiving equipment to make a copy.

On the subject of Enterprise, having now reached Season 3 it's getting worse again. Or specifically more adolescent, I'm only five episodes in but what the fuck at the ship's doctor ordering the second in command to give one her staff massages in her quarters. This is some 14 year old boy fantasy crap I don't need.

ZMOT said:
well, if the 1000 year old loli is a problem because it looks like a child, the other way around shouldn't be an issue.
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The 1,000 year old loli is a problem because there's something wrong with the person who wants to have sex with him / her. The adult child is a problem because they don't have the maturity to consent or deal with it. Two different problems.

EDIT: I don't know why I just replied to explain what everyone knows... Must have thought I was on Reddit for a minute there.
 
Overly Serious said:
On the subject of Enterprise, having now reached Season 3 it's getting worse again. Or specifically more adolescent, I'm only five episodes in but what the fuck at the ship's doctor ordering the second in command to give one her staff massages in her quarters. This is some 14 year old boy fantasy crap I don't need.
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In a Mirror Darkly will make everything worth it.
 
Overly Serious said:
On the subject of Enterprise, having now reached Season 3 it's getting worse again. Or specifically more adolescent, I'm only five episodes in but what the fuck at the ship's doctor ordering the second in command to give one her staff massages in her quarters. This is some 14 year old boy fantasy crap I don't need.
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Rewatching Voyager and I'm surprised at how few Seven Of Nine plots rely on the bombshell factor. Most of the stories would still work with a shlubby male borg. They seemed to have sidelined Tuvok a lot more too.

But Janeway seems to get more erratic and authoritarian as the series progresses. In Equinox Part 2 she tortures a StarFleet officer and when Chakotay he is confined to quarters for the rest of the episode. WTF, Janeway! Can understand why Robert Beltran started to tune out.
 
ditto said:
Rewatching Voyager and I'm surprised at how few Seven Of Nine plots rely on the bombshell factor. Most of the stories would still work with a shlubby male borg. They seemed to have sidelined Tuvok a lot more too.

But Janeway seems to get more erratic and authoritarian as the series progresses. In Equinox Part 2 she tortures a StarFleet officer and when Chakotay he is confined to quarters for the rest of the episode. WTF, Janeway! Can understand why Robert Beltran started to tune out.
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He started to tune out much earlier in the series. Do notice that whenever Chakotay is given an actual good script (yes, it happens) the acting quality significantly improves.

Voyager, and UPN shows as a whole, make me nostalgic for a time when all cheap TV shows weren't filmed in Vancouver. The Kazons really hit you over the head with how much of an LA thing Voyager really was.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
I thought it was Tom Paris who programmed Tuvok's holographic waifu?
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The Doctor programmed a waifu for Ensign Vorik, the other Voyager Vulcan who I thought was Romulan at first because the actor is no where near as good as Tim Russ.

It ended up not working anyway and he went on fuck B'Elenna later on in the episode.

TaimuRadiu said:
He started to tune out much earlier in the series. Do notice that whenever Chakotay is given an actual good script (yes, it happens) the acting quality significantly improves.
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"The Fight" was one of those few times I realized he could actually act.
 
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Talking about the transporters, don't forget about the "skeletal lock" they used on Voyager that one time when they couldn't get a lock on life signs but needed to get the away team off the borg cube quickly, so B'Elanna locked onto "the minerals in their skeleton"... and I guess presumably expanded the radius of that lock a few inches to get the skin and muscles around it.

That sounds horrifying to me, the sheer amount of things that could go wrong with that.
 
UnKillFill said:
Talking about the transporters, don't forget about the "skeletal lock" they used on Voyager that one time when they couldn't get a lock on life signs but needed to get the away team off the borg cube quickly, so B'Elanna locked onto "the minerals in their skeleton"... and I guess presumably expanded the radius of that lock a few inches to get the skin and muscles around it.

That sounds horrifying to me, the sheer amount of things that could go wrong with that.
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Janeway's reaction is typical Voyager - "A skeletal lock, huh? We'll have to add that one to the Transporter manual."
 
ditto said:
It ended up not working anyway and he went on fuck B'Elenna later on in the episode.
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they didn't, they fought instead which apparently works just as well for vulcans as fucking.

yahooligan said:
I absolutely got pedo/loli grooming vibes from Neelix & Kes' relationship at first sight.
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maybe it's me mostly watching anime these days, but even back then my first thought never was it's all about sex. you can be protective of someone for other reasons than being possessive of your full grown onahole.

Overly Serious said:
The 1,000 year old loli is a problem because there's something wrong with the person who wants to have sex with him / her. The adult child is a problem because they don't have the maturity to consent or deal with it. Two different problems.

EDIT: I don't know why I just replied to explain what everyone knows... Must have thought I was on Reddit for a minute there.
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I wasn't really serious, I'm well aware of the difference, and without dragging it offline too much no one really gives a crap about the latter (which is objectively worse, all things considered) but is up in arms about the former because it's much easier to knee-jerk about it.

and as long as weren't looking for the downvote button first it's all cool.
 
ditto said:
Janeway's reaction is typical Voyager - "A skeletal lock, huh? We'll have to add that one to the Transporter manual."
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Knowing Janeway, she heard the words "skeletal lock" and got sexually aroused thinking about how she could she could use that to punish her enemies by beaming out just their skeletons.
 
Watching through DS9 and was surprised when nigger was used in the episode Far Beyond the Stars. No fucking way that would happen today.
 
MsStevieMarie said:
Watching through DS9 and was surprised when nigga was used in the episode Far Beyond the Stars. No fucking way that would happen today.
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It was an ART EPISODE

you're supposed to feel for BLACKMAN in the 1950s

you know

the BLACKMAN who got beaten by WHITE MEN

(the nyc police force was integrated by the 1940s, not like that stops it from being one of the best ds9 episodes)
 
What does it say about current gen Star Trek (if not media in general), when the best thing I can hope for is that RLM posts their video on the Picard Finale soon.
Gosh, I remember back in the day, when fun things were fun.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
It was an ART EPISODE

you're supposed to feel for BLACKMAN in the 1950s

you know

the BLACKMAN who got beaten by WHITE MEN

(the nyc police force was integrated by the 1940s, not like that stops it from being one of the best ds9 episodes)
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Not only was that a damn good episode, it also highlights how drastically progressive humanity has gotten since then. Some people say DS9 was a "bleak show", yet the show clearly states that the Federation ain't perfect, but it can still keep doing better or at least the right people that make up of it.

RomanesEuntDomus said:
What does it say about current gen Star Trek (if not media in general), when the best thing I can hope for is that RLM posts their video on the Picard Finale soon.
Gosh, I remember back in the day, when fun things were fun.
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It really says a lot when Redlettermedia of all things are the biggest source of hype for Star Trek, by mocking the worst of Star Trek.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
It was an ART EPISODE

you're supposed to feel for BLACKMAN in the 1950s

you know

the BLACKMAN who got beaten by WHITE MEN

(the nyc police force was integrated by the 1940s, not like that stops it from being one of the best ds9 episodes)
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Didn't even realize that Worf was played by a black actor until this episode.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
It was an ART EPISODE

you're supposed to feel for BLACKMAN in the 1950s

you know

the BLACKMAN who got beaten by WHITE MEN

(the nyc police force was integrated by the 1940s, not like that stops it from being one of the best ds9 episodes)
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I like the episode as a "what if?" scenario but yeah, Marc Zicree's script felt like a biopic or an Oscar-bait movie, not an episode of Star Trek.
 
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