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Yeah I watched the first episode of S3 before I took a nap and was not impressed with the remix. At fucking all.
 
rabo said:
TNG really was full of ideas that went nowhere and never were brought up again, I've been rewatching it after rewatching DS9 so many times I felt like TNG and I wanted to see if I could still enjoy Picard after Star Trek Picard, and I can, but it saddens me what happened to such a great character.

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"Join me in the Rustari, the bonding. You will be come part of my family now, and for all times. We will become brothers."

.....Is never mentioned again and isn't invited to his wedding.
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To be fair, the kid got mixed up with a gang slinging Nuke back on Earth and was killed by RoboCop 2 over a beef. Hob is annoying everyone in Sto-vo-kor now...
 
Wait... Did that kid get left in Mogh's dishonored family when Worf left it for House Martok?
 
UnKillFill said:
Wait... Did that kid get left in Mogh's dishonored family when Worf left it for House Martok?
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Yeah I was wondering about that too. Not that he would really care or know but yeah, is family has no honor. Maybe Kurn found him and gave him a honorable killing first?
 
JonesMcCannister said:
Have anyone given any thought to the fact that Star Trek was probably the most progressive show there was for it's time and yet it's done it's such a realistic way that you don't really notice.
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Sure, but TOS was written by mid-20th century liberals, who believed in stuff like liberty, equality (of opportunity) and the United States of America (technically Starfleet is the space navy of a space United Nations, but c'mon, it's really the USN... in spaaace)

1960's mainstream progressivism doesn't have much to do with 2020's progressivism. One eventually led to the other, in much the same way petting a stray dog can lead to full blown rabies, but they're qualitatively different.

Another thing about American men of the TOS generation is they instinctively hated any kind of political extremism. They'd seen what the Nazis did to Europe, fanatical Japs kamikazeing themselves into US carriers, and the evil empire behind the iron curtain.

Ideology was something weirdo foreigners did that got people killed. So TOS era progressivism wasn't very ideological. It might have depicted a post-scarcity utopia, but it wasn't one run on Marxist-Leninist theory. It promoted an all-American idea of racial equality, but not one based on critical race theory. It was implicitly atheistic, but not in a "fuck YOU, Xtians" way.

I dunno how ideological Picard or STD are (never watched them). My guess is "not very", but they're products of a highly politicized early 21st c. pop culture that's swimming in fear and loathing disguised as virtues, a never-ending struggle session of performative wokeness. When Abraham Lincoln showed up on TOS it was as a kind of celebration of Americana. If he appeared on STD I guess he'd be insulted for being a dead white male before somebody stabbed him in the eyeball or something.
 
Sexual Chocolate said:
Sure, but TOS was written by mid-20th century liberals, who believed in stuff like liberty, equality (of opportunity) and the United States of America (technically Starfleet is the space navy of a space United Nations, but c'mon, it's really the USN... in spaaace)

1960's mainstream progressivism doesn't have much to do with 2020's progressivism. One eventually led to the other, in much the same way petting a stray dog can lead to full blown rabies, but they're qualitatively different.

Another thing about American men of the TOS generation is they instinctively hated any kind of political extremism. They'd seen what the Nazis did to Europe, fanatical Japs kamikazeing themselves into US carriers, and the evil empire behind the iron curtain.

Ideology was something weirdo foreigners did that got people killed. So TOS era progressivism wasn't very ideological. It might have depicted a post-scarcity utopia, but it wasn't one run on Marxist-Leninist theory. It promoted an all-American idea of racial equality, but not one based on critical race theory. It was implicitly atheistic, but not in a "fuck YOU, Xtians" way.

I dunno how ideological Picard or STD are (never watched them). My guess is "not very", but they're products of a highly politicized early 21st c. pop culture that's swimming in fear and loathing disguised as virtues, a never-ending struggle session of performative wokeness. When Abraham Lincoln showed up on TOS it was as a kind of celebration of Americana. If he appeared on STD I guess he'd be insulted for being a dead white male before somebody stabbed him in the eyeball or something.
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I've said it before on this thread, but it bears repeating. On top of everything you laid out. the writers and producers HAD to take actual entertainment into consideration. they couldn't just jam a bunch of social justice stuff in there without the show being entertaining to the masses. These here days, it seems the social justice message comes first...then maybe if they can possibly work some entertainment into the mix, so be it. In the mid to late 60's there were relatively few channels. Here in the USA, literally ABC, NBC, CBS, and some UHF stations. Now, there are hundreds and the viewing audience is fractured. Remember why TOS got cancelled? Low ratings (mostly). Back then, going after the average viewer was a must to ensure survival.

Now they can make shows that they know will only appeal to a niche audience and not worry too much about it. Of course they still need sponsors, but the bar is much lower than ever. Even a show like TOS, when I was a kid, I could watch and have little idea what the "messaging" was, and still enjoy the show, but as an adult, I can still be entertained, and appreciate the message they were trying to get across. The people that write and produce programs nowadays are much more heavy-handed in their messaging, knowing that they will turn off certain viewers... and they are ok with that since they don't have to fight for every last viewer to ensure survival. I do feel though, even under these circumstances, that they go way too far.
 
Writers today think social justice is entertaining. They enjoy hearing their beliefs recited back to them and confirmed in dramatic fashion. They think representation per se has artistic value. They don't understand why other people don't appreciate these things the way they do. They're like V'Ger, tracing a path of destruction through the entertainment cosmos, petulant and angry that they aren't getting the response they want.

Incidentally, I just realized "Decker" was also the solution to the problem of the Ilia probe. Not "deck her," that would be sexist. "Dick her." That's what all the "merge with the creator" and "birth of a new life form" stuff meant. V'Ger incarnated as Persis Khambatta to express its need for a good dicking.
 
Solid pass, all the new garbage they've been putting out has shown me they have no interest in making an actual Trek caliber show.
 
ProfDongs said:
Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/


I'll reserve judgement but in my mind it will probably follow this logic: "Surely if we keep throwing shit at the wall something will stick"
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If it's not a beakman's world style show about Janeway and her mad science experiments, I'll pass.
 
ProfDongs said:
Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/


I'll reserve judgement but in my mind it will probably follow this logic: "Surely if we keep throwing shit at the wall something will stick"
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It should be a Star Trek version of The Kill Team. Captian Paris is conflicted with his morals when Admiral Janeway accompanies his young crew back to the Delta Quadrant, and makes them participate in violations of the Prime Directive and Federation law. He struggles with his past when he served on the Voyager 'just following orders', and contemplates about how to report to the authorities without Janeway knowing.
 
ProfDongs said:
Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/


I'll reserve judgement but in my mind it will probably follow this logic: "Surely if we keep throwing shit at the wall something will stick"
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I could can for some proper animated and/or CGI Star Trek smut but knowing Secret Hideout is still in charge they will screw that up.
 
ProfDongs said:
Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/


I'll reserve judgement but in my mind it will probably follow this logic: "Surely if we keep throwing shit at the wall something will stick"
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I swear that reads like a fake article. There's so much nonsense in there I'm not sure where to start.
Kate Mulgrew said:
“I have invested every scintilla of my being in Captain Janeway, and I can’t wait to endow her with nuance that I never did before in Star Trek: Prodigy."
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sounds like some shit that her character from NTSF:SD:SUV would've said.

Alex Kurtzman said:
“Captain Janeway was held to a different standard than her predecessors. She was asked to embody an inhuman level of perfection in order to be accepted as ‘good enough’ by the doubters, but showed them all what it means to be truly outstanding. We can think of no better captain to inspire the next generation of dreamers on Nickelodeon, than she.”
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Having actually watched Voyager, I'm not sure I could come with a more polar opposite description of Janeway than 'inhuman level of perfection' other than perhaps 'truly outstanding'. If killing Tuvix, violating the prime directive, starting interstellar wars, and fucking a subordinate (as a salamander) is outstanding, I'd hate to see what 'mediocre' looks like.
 
Flexo said:
. Discovery should have been post-Voyager from the start
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DAMN STRAIGHT
Discovery could have went in deeper in the Delta Quadrant or go to a different Quadrant.
But nope, pull a Dragon Ball Super in being in the quantum of a already established time and rewriting it,

What I hate about the JJ movies especially Into Darkness is that everyone is stupid.
In ID, their own stupidity destroyed their own city, the Enterprise never fights back.
 
ProfDongs said:
Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/


I'll reserve judgement but in my mind it will probably follow this logic: "Surely if we keep throwing shit at the wall something will stick"
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Curious. They exploited TOS, TNG and now they jump straight to Voyager. Black Captains Don't Matter, I guess?
 
White Devil said:
Avery Brooks has said a few times that Star Trek was just another character role to him.
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I'm genuinely curious what Brooks's opinion of Current Year woke culture is since before all this shit went down he came off as the wokest of the actors out of all the Trek captains. He was very self-conscious about Sisko's status as a black man and how his relationship with Jake and his eventual second child were portrayed. There is of course also Far Beyond the Stars, which as good as that episode is also has an extremely heavy-handed message about racism in science fiction. He also played a pretty good but pretty racially conscious role in American History X as a black teacher-type who reforms the Neo-Nazi protagonist by essentially just talking him down.

Yet it seems like amid all of these Trek revivals and current racial tensions, Brooks has mostly kept his mouth shut or at least stayed out of focus (inb4 someone links me a 30 page Twitter rant he did or something). If anything, Brooks is probably the most qualified to take a stance on racism in contemporary SF since not only has that been his concern in the past, he actually succeeded in telling some good stories and portraying a compelling character while also getting his point across. I wonder if he's really as apathetic about the whole thing as he seems or if he's just disgusted with what the industry has become.
 
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