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Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/



- SFdebris reads the happy news -

EDIT: also if janeways gonna be in this.....and its gonna be about a ship lost in space.....I think my dark prediction that this shit would feature the horrible return of Wesley Crusher might just have been far too hopeful since this scenario opens up a very real possibility that an infinitely more terrible nightmare to return....
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It's odd how "life support belts" only appear in the animated series (AFAIK). You don't even see them in the original series the show is based on. It could be really cheap to make them in live action - film or CG effect and prop belts is all one needs.
 
It's odd how "life support belts" only appear in the animated series (AFAIK). You don't even see them in the original series the show is based on. It could be really cheap to make them in live action - film or CG effect and prop belts is all one needs.

There are also like a million situations throughout the rest of the franchise where having personal shield of some kind would have been immensely useful.
 
I've said it before on this thread, but it bears repeating. On top of everything you laid out. the writers and producers HAD to take actual entertainment into consideration. they couldn't just jam a bunch of social justice stuff in there without the show being entertaining to the masses. These here days, it seems the social justice message comes first...then maybe if they can possibly work some entertainment into the mix, so be it. In the mid to late 60's there were relatively few channels. Here in the USA, literally ABC, NBC, CBS, and some UHF stations. Now, there are hundreds and the viewing audience is fractured. Remember why TOS got cancelled? Low ratings (mostly). Back then, going after the average viewer was a must to ensure survival.

It's almost paradoxical. You'd think with more broadcasters and stuff like streaming services, the necessity to secure viewer approval is much stronger than back in the day, but it seems to be the opposite.
You will eventually find someone to peddle your bullshit to, if it isn't HBO, then Netflix might buy it, or Amazon or whoever.
More competition didn't make things better, it made things worse and it seems that many producers and broadcasters have started a race to the bottom, to see who can ship the most broken propaganda with the most terrible content.

Stranger still, they make something and tell the audience "if you are not entertained by this, you are a bigot" and it sometimes seemed to work to some degree.
Superficially, there are things that are "entertaining", such as space battles in STD/STP, but they are hollow and badly executed. There are quips, but they are poorly written and incompetently delivered ("It's the power of math people! C'mon!", "I like science!"). Some people will get dazzled by this stuff, but overall, these new shows offer nothing of substance. No interesting ideas on the future, fascinating contemplations on morals, no character-driven storytelling. Only heavy handed attempts to peddle some political bullshit in the most boring, most uncreative, most unimaginative way possible, that doesn't even pretend to make an attempt to make it fit the existing lore.

We are starting to see the death knells of this kind of """entertainment""". The new SW trilogy flopped in the end (well, it was commercially successful when you do not consider the initial cost of the IP), fans and critics alike tore that shit asunder after release. Star Trek has been failing for years now and is only kept alive by producers promising to their sponsors it'll pick up once this new concept or next season shakes up things with even more amazing nostalgia bait and ideological deadends.
But no matter what they do, their audiences are dwindling.

There are also like a million situations throughout the rest of the franchise where having personal shield of some kind would have been immensely useful.
Haven't seen that show, so I assume it's a belt/belt-item that pops a shield around a person to protect them from such things as exposure to vacuum and offers some protection from light impacts (both kinetic and energy-based)?

If so, such an item would be indispensable standard gear for every person in Starfleet at all times. Hull breach? Plasma leak? Shrapnell from an explosion? Attack by an animal or person during an away mission? Mirror-Universe Sulu starts knifing people in the kidneys?
Even if it can't withstand a phaser shot for longer than half a second, it would still give you half a second to dive for cover or return fire.
Even if the shield only has enough power for a minute (hell, even just a few seconds!) and it would be incredibly powerful.
It would be a lifesaver on a daily basis to literally thousands of people in Starfleet.

Introducing such gear is akin to that weird Borg-Nanite treatment they used in Voyager to resurrect Neelix several hours after his death. It begs the question: Why don't we see this being used all the goddamned time now? It's such an immensely huge gamechanger for anyone involved, security and Bridge Crew should be wearing it at all times and there is no excuse not to expand its use to the entire crew instantly, no matter the cost.


Another day, another new Star Trek series announced. This one is a cg animated series featuring Janeway and seems to be aimed a younger audience.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/08/br...turn-as-captain-janeway-in-star-trek-prodigy/


I'll reserve judgement but in my mind it will probably follow this logic: "Surely if we keep throwing shit at the wall something will stick"

I think, every Trek fan is just burned out by now. They ruined it with three shitty movies, then threw in a shitty show, followed by another shitty show (this time shitting on a beloved character, no less) and then created a shitty cartoon. It seems they now aim for a younger audience that might not have as high standards and that doesn't know the rich and amazing history of the franchise and how much it has been ruined by these assholes.

Trek is dead to the fans and this won't change it.
 
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There are also like a million situations throughout the rest of the franchise where having personal shield of some kind would have been immensely useful.
Instead they use it in a gunfight.
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It's odd how "life support belts" only appear in the animated series (AFAIK). You don't even see them in the original series the show is based on. It could be really cheap to make them in live action - film or CG effect and prop belts is all one needs.

My guess is the life support belts were introduced to make it easier and cheaper to animate since you didn't need to draw Kirk in a space suit, but nobody really liked them for all the plot complications they introduced. So, everyone pretends it didn't happen.
 
Haven't seen that show, so I assume it's a belt/belt-item that pops a shield around a person to protect them from such things as exposure to vacuum and offers some protection from light impacts (both kinetic and energy-based)?

If so, such an item would be indispensable standard gear for every person in Starfleet at all times. Hull breach? Plasma leak? Shrapnell from an explosion? Attack by an animal or person during an away mission? Mirror-Universe Sulu starts knifing people in the kidneys?

My guess is the life support belts were introduced to make it easier and cheaper to animate since you didn't need to draw Kirk in a space suit, but nobody really liked them for all the plot complications they introduced. So, everyone pretends it didn't happen.

The Animated Series was horrendously low budget, so they didn't have the time or the resources to draw spacesuits for the characters. Instead they just drew this soft glow around the characters and called it a day, so apparently the thing generates a forcefield around a person and also fills it with breathable air. In the same episode they're introduced, they actually see quite a bit of action. They're used for an away mission to a derelict vessel, Scotty narrowly avoids getting crushed by some Enterprise component when it falls on him (showing that @RomanesEuntDomus was totally right about it being useful safety equipment) and Kirk even uses his to fry the Enterprise controls when an alien life form takes over the ship.

Its clear that whoever wrote the episode was interested in exploring the idea further than just "we did this to save on the animation budget." I'm willing to bet the TNG writers might have just forgotten about it since TAS was considered obscure even by then.
 
Why exactly are they churning out so many shitty Star Trek shows at once?

Also fun fact, I applied for a storyboard artist job on that very show. Glad I didn't get it.
 
Trek is dead to the fans and this won't change it.
I vaguely remember seeing these "professional Star Trek cosplayers" in a mall once sometime before 9/11, in front of a bookstore (so long ago). They were in full uniforms from the 80s movies (Wrath of Khan and on), and doing militaristic formation drills (lol). I wonder what they've been up to since then...
 
Why exactly are they churning out so many shitty Star Trek shows at once?
Because they can use the cheapest possible methods and recoup the costs over the long term because enough niche autists will sub for this and forget they are paying 9.99 to CBS for something they aren't using

I wonder what they've been up to since then...
Drinking themselves to death on Vodka with blue food coloring that they pretend is Romulan Ale.
 
Why exactly are they churning out so many shitty Star Trek shows at once?

Also fun fact, I applied for a storyboard artist job on that very show. Glad I didn't get it.
I wish you had, then we could have the inside track on just awful this is all going to be as well as some idea of where it all goes wrong. (i.e. it was crap from the start or you originally had a good storyboard)
 
I wish you had, then we could have the inside track on just awful this is all going to be as well as some idea of where it all goes wrong. (i.e. it was crap from the start or you originally had a good storyboard)

A small part of me wishes that, as well, but then I remember I would've still just been drawing boards to someone's shitty script. :story: I think it would be down to the script at the end of the day.
 
It's almost paradoxical. You'd think with more broadcasters and stuff like streaming services, the necessity to secure viewer approval is much stronger than back in the day, but it seems to be the opposite.
You will eventually find someone to peddle your bullshit to, if it isn't HBO, then Netflix might buy it, or Amazon or whoever.
More competition didn't make things better, it made things worse and it seems that many producers and broadcasters have started a race to the bottom, to see who can ship the most broken propaganda with the most terrible content.

Stranger still, they make something and tell the audience "if you are not entertained by this, you are a bigot" and it sometimes seemed to work to some degree.
Superficially, there are things that are "entertaining", such as space battles in STD/STP, but they are hollow and badly executed. There are quips, but they are poorly written and incompetently delivered ("It's the power of math people! C'mon!", "I like science!"). Some people will get dazzled by this stuff, but overall, these new shows offer nothing of substance. No interesting ideas on the future, fascinating contemplations on morals, no character-driven storytelling. Only heavy handed attempts to peddle some political bullshit in the most boring, most uncreative, most unimaginative way possible, that doesn't even pretend to make an attempt to make it fit the existing lore.

We are starting to see the death knells of this kind of """entertainment""". The new SW trilogy flopped in the end (well, it was commercially successful when you do not consider the initial cost of the IP), fans and critics alike tore that shit asunder after release. Star Trek has been failing for years now and is only kept alive by producers promising to their sponsors it'll pick up once this new concept or next season shakes up things with even more amazing nostalgia bait and ideological deadends.
But no matter what they do, their audiences are dwindling.


Haven't seen that show, so I assume it's a belt/belt-item that pops a shield around a person to protect them from such things as exposure to vacuum and offers some protection from light impacts (both kinetic and energy-based)?

If so, such an item would be indispensable standard gear for every person in Starfleet at all times. Hull breach? Plasma leak? Shrapnell from an explosion? Attack by an animal or person during an away mission? Mirror-Universe Sulu starts knifing people in the kidneys?
Even if it can't withstand a phaser shot for longer than half a second, it would still give you half a second to dive for cover or return fire.
Even if the shield only has enough power for a minute (hell, even just a few seconds!) and it would be incredibly powerful.
It would be a lifesaver on a daily basis to literally thousands of people in Starfleet.

Introducing such gear is akin to that weird Borg-Nanite treatment they used in Voyager to resurrect Neelix several hours after his death. It begs the question: Why don't we see this being used all the goddamned time now? It's such an immensely huge gamechanger for anyone involved, security and Bridge Crew should be wearing it at all times and there is no excuse not to expand its use to the entire crew instantly, no matter the cost.




I think, every Trek fan is just burned out by now. They ruined it with three shitty movies, then threw in a shitty show, followed by another shitty show (this time shitting on a beloved character, no less) and then created a shitty cartoon. It seems they now aim for a younger audience that might not have as high standards and that doesn't know the rich and amazing history of the franchise and how much it has been ruined by these assholes.

Trek is dead to the fans and this won't change it.
How about de-aging people with the transporter? They literally do that one twice on TNG (Once to restore super-aged Pulaski and then. ugh, Rascals)
If the transporter can somehow be used to restore your cells to an earlier saved patern then why doesn't literally everybody keep a store device with their 20 year old paterns in it and like, start swapping out when they're in their 50s?

There's a few more of these "Why don't they do this all the time" bits throughout the entire series. I think I chalk it up those one-off ideas that gets quickly forgotten like Worf's adopted son.
 
How about de-aging people with the transporter? They literally do that one twice on TNG (Once to restore super-aged Pulaski and then. ugh, Rascals)
If the transporter can somehow be used to restore your cells to an earlier saved patern then why doesn't literally everybody keep a store device with their 20 year old paterns in it and like, start swapping out when they're in their 50s?

There's a few more of these "Why don't they do this all the time" bits throughout the entire series. I think I chalk it up those one-off ideas that gets quickly forgotten like Worf's adopted son.
The time that occurs that first comes to mind for me is actually from the Animated Series. Kirk/Spock/McCoy end up being very prematurely aged after finding the equivalent of space sirens that drain the vitality of men, so Uhura leads the female crew in to save the day and the transporter pattern is used to restore them back to their bodies prior to the entire incident. The downside is that they are completely restored; their memories of the experience are lost as well and upon reviewing the footage they're in a state of shock as these events obviously occurred and they took part in them, but it feels very unsettling since they have no memories of the incident and it's like watching someone wearing your skin pretending to be you.

According to the novelization, the episode title is The Lorelei Signal.
 
A small part of me wishes that, as well, but then I remember I would've still just been drawing boards to someone's shitty script. :story: I think it would be down to the script at the end of the day.
Now I'm imagining a story where a storyboard artist keeps "correcting" the scripts to make them better without anyone noticing.

The time that occurs that first comes to mind for me is actually from the Animated Series. Kirk/Spock/McCoy end up being very prematurely aged after finding the equivalent of space sirens that drain the vitality of men, so Uhura leads the female crew in to save the day and the transporter pattern is used to restore them back to their bodies prior to the entire incident. The downside is that they are completely restored; their memories of the experience are lost as well and upon reviewing the footage they're in a state of shock as these events obviously occurred and they took part in them, but it feels very unsettling since they have no memories of the incident and it's like watching someone wearing your skin pretending to be you.

According to the novelization, the episode title is The Lorelei Signal.
Here you go.
 
The Animated Series was horrendously low budget, so they didn't have the time or the resources to draw spacesuits for the characters. Instead they just drew this soft glow around the characters and called it a day, so apparently the thing generates a forcefield around a person and also fills it with breathable air. In the same episode they're introduced, they actually see quite a bit of action. They're used for an away mission to a derelict vessel, Scotty narrowly avoids getting crushed by some Enterprise component when it falls on him (showing that @RomanesEuntDomus was totally right about it being useful safety equipment) and Kirk even uses his to fry the Enterprise controls when an alien life form takes over the ship.

Its clear that whoever wrote the episode was interested in exploring the idea further than just "we did this to save on the animation budget." I'm willing to bet the TNG writers might have just forgotten about it since TAS was considered obscure even by then.
I rewatched the animated series recently,
I think it's pretty quality and the limited animation style is very charming.
Pretty highbrow next to the toyetic shows later on like He-man and Thundercatsm
 
I'm nearing the end of Season 3 of Enterprise (last couple episodes), and it's been fucking great. It's sad knowing though that there's only one more season after this and I already know it's bullshit ending.

It was nice to see my season 1 shipping feeling confirmed that T'Pol does get with Tucker in some way. I read there was a lot of fan outrage about that, and Blalock herself said she wasn't a fan of that romance subplot but I honestly thought from the beginning their characters could/would compliment each other greatly if given the chance. Better than the gender reversed Kirk/Spock thing the writers seemed edging towards for three seasons, anyway. I think Archer/T'Pol would just be wildly inappropriate and reeks of gay Kirk Spock shit.
 
Speaking of it's bullshit ending, I actually caught Enterprise's ending unaware I was tuning in for the finale. I barely watched it, I was just channel surfing I caught it 4 minutes in and I saw Riker and I thought "OH! TNG!" and then I noticed Riker looked kinda bloated and I realized something was up.

I remember the episode ended and I thought, wait... You mean, it's over? What the fuck?
 
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