Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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los pepes said:
Didn't watch it as this shit is not even worth pirating. But did watch nerdrotics recap and apparently the future federation doesn't exist because of some stupid catastrophe that blew up subspace 100 years before STD showed up or whatever.

Of course these boring uncreative losers couldn't take what should be the most interesting part of a post federation future (exploring how it fell, and what it says about the federation we knew) and run with it. Nope, no slow decline, no political crises, no real reason whatsoever except a magic splosion happened one day and no more federation.

Who wants to see a tv series tease out how Rome fell when we could just say an asteroid did it and move onto our shitty CW plots.
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I will freely admit that 'Andromeda' was very much a guilty pleasure - I'm not going to defend it as near the heights of DS9 or TNG (maybe voyager...) - but I am still kind of shocked that show already did this much better.

Well, in that show they kind of recognized we had no attachment to the Commonwealth (unlike the Federation) so they just dropped us right into the crew with this impossible task and made that interesting - then dolled out the history of what was lost and how as we went along.

I restrain ranting about it unless someone wants me to. I just can't hardly believe that the people burning down this ship keep taking away all the things that make Star Trek, Star Trek - and then keep insisting on calling it Star Trek even as they then wonder why fans aren't watching.

EDIT: Oh snap! The entire show is free to watch.

Earth: Final Conflict is out there too.
 
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I still can't find the DS9 episode I was talking about earlier where Sisko freaks out at Jake for going to a holodeck program set in the past because of segregation or some shit. I'm starting to wonder if I dreamed it up while fucking high.
 
Tookie said:
It was Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang - S07E15.
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That's the fucking one. Christ that was weird as shit because Sisko acted so goddamn out of character. He basically became a stereotypical SJW for that episode literally getting triggered by a problematic program and demanding other people stop enjoying it. It's embarrassing that he needs to have his fucking girlfriend make him realize that the holodeck can be used to make "better" versions of the past where humans are all getting along like they do in the modern day of classic Trek.
Watching that scene as a kid made me really uncomfortable, and not from any white guilt but rather because it was so fucking out of place.
 
That scene was so hamfisted and seemed extremely out of character for Sisko, it just made him seem bitter. The only way I can make sense of it in regards to his character is that he still had lingering sentiment of not-Jake being killed for breaking into a car to steal and the rest of his experience as the writer. When I watched it recently it just stood out as this weird sanctimonious reminder that people haven't acted perfectly throughout history. Its also strange when they are 400+ years removed from that.
 
ProfDongs said:
ToS is the show that keeps on giving. Can't wait until progressivism loops back around to this being normal again.
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Just call it Fifty Shades of Starfleet and mix in a gay sex scene here or there and you get winemoms across the US to buy mini-ovens with the ST Logo on it.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
That's the fucking one. Christ that was weird as shit because Sisko acted so goddamn out of character. He basically became a stereotypical SJW for that episode literally getting triggered by a problematic program and demanding other people stop enjoying it. It's embarrassing that he needs to have his fucking girlfriend make him realize that the holodeck can be used to make "better" versions of the past where humans are all getting along like they do in the modern day of classic Trek.
Watching that scene as a kid made me really uncomfortable, and not from any white guilt but rather because it was so fucking out of place.
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The episode was written by ISB. At this point he had total control over the show if I'm not mistaken.
 
I wonder if you'd ever have a character progression like Reginald Barclay again. This was a dude in TNG you'll recall who basically started out as a high IQ autistic incel and acted like an annoying retard all the time to the point even Wesley Crusher was making fun of him. Almost everyone wanted to get rid of him, he was that much of a a bitch, but Picard decided he was worth saving and ultimately he turned pretty good.
 
los pepes said:
Didn't watch it as this shit is not even worth pirating. But did watch nerdrotics recap and apparently the future federation doesn't exist because of some stupid catastrophe that blew up subspace 100 years before STD showed up or whatever.

Of course these boring uncreative losers couldn't take what should be the most interesting part of a post federation future (exploring how it fell, and what it says about the federation we knew) and run with it. Nope, no slow decline, no political crises, no real reason whatsoever except a magic splosion happened one day and no more federation.

Who wants to see a tv series tease out how Rome fell when we could just say an asteroid did it and move onto our shitty CW plots.
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So they’re ripping off Mass Effect again? (Subspace exploding/relays exploding at the end of ME3)
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
So they’re ripping off Mass Effect again? (Subspace exploding/relays exploding at the end of ME3)
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We really can't pretend to be surprised by stuff like that, now can we. These are the same people that view every aspect of their adult life through the lense of Harry Potter metaphors, up to and including political stances.

These people, raised on a strict diet of writers, merely employed on their political ideas, will have no ideas of their own and just regurgitate ideas seen executed by others in the past. Creative writing has become a conglomerate of hand-me-down plotpoints and tropes executed by creatively bankrupt copycats, employed for having the correct political ideas on display on their Twitter accounts.

This will change eventually, back to a system where merit decides whether you'll rise or fall, but untill then, we're forced to watch a ton of bad writers tear apart all we used to enjoy in the past.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
This will change eventually, back to a system where merit decides whether you'll rise or fall, but untill then, we're forced to watch a ton of bad writers tear apart all we used to enjoy in the past.
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I really think we may have to witness the flaming wreckage of the society we used to live in before meritocracy comes back.
 
AnOminous said:
I really think we may have to witness the flaming wreckage of the society we used to live in before meritocracy comes back.
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Well, hopefully not society as a whole, but in some places, surely.
I am expecting reknown universities in the US to face the fallout from their SJW-pandering some time in the future, and the current economic situation is a catalyst for that. No company will hire worthless shit-stirrers whose only education is in "critical whiteness" and "gender studies", to get past the economical turmoil that was caused by the Chink Stink, they'll need people who actually know their shit and the once so great universities of the past no longer deliver such people.
Similarly, at some point, entertainment is going to go down the tubes - I was hoping for a video game crash for half a decade now to clean up the shitheads that ruin that hobby. The same might happen to Hollywood, they can't sell their particular brand of low effort garbage forever, especially when it is so choke full of their hypocritical propaganda. This will allow others to rise in their stead. Again: Companies will sooner or later be forced to hire talented people, cause the hacks they waste their money on now will be exposed as deadweight.

The good thing about meritocracy is, that it will always make a comeback by its very own nature. It will however take some time.
 
AnOminous said:
I wonder if you'd ever have a character progression like Reginald Barclay again. This was a dude in TNG you'll recall who basically started out as a high IQ autistic incel and acted like an annoying retard all the time to the point even Wesley Crusher was making fun of him. Almost everyone wanted to get rid of him, he was that much of a a bitch, but Picard decided he was worth saving and ultimately he turned pretty good.
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I forgot how much he was in voyager. I just finished a rewatch and I had only remembered him being in a couple episodes and thought it was basically an extended cameo but he was actually a big fucking deal by the end of the show.
 
Alright finished Lower Decks.

I honestly enjoyed it for what it was. The characters grew on me and I really like the idea of seeing the low end areas of the fleet. It's sadly the best of the nu-trek that has come out. Also, seeing the Titan finally on screen was fucking great.

Also, rewatched Picard now that it's finally out on home video. Still really mixed on it. I really do like the idea of the season being Picard getting to say goodbye to Data. However, the story was massively stretched over the season. The same story could have been told in 3-5 episodes. Certain characters (aka space Legolas) should have been cut completely.

Finally, Discovery season 3 premiere is still a shitshow. I'm still phenomenally disappointed that Burham has such a focus and dominance over the show. Legit interesting characters and other members of the bridge crew are woefully underdeveloped at this point in the series. I still don't buy she was just allowed to walk right back into being a senior officer after outright mutiny. (Also, Pike should have canned/dismissed her ass after the first time she started backtalking him.)
 
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