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If I took over Star Trek I would make a big fuss about bringing back Wesley Crusher.... then I would hire William A. Wallace to play him again.
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I wonder how badly the last decade or so, damaged the Star Trek brand in general. Does it need a rest before somebody could take it up and start doing it properly again?
I guess an upside of STD, Pickard etc. that they are so bad, nobody really cares about them.
 
Miller said:
Burnham sent the Iron Man suit back into the wormhole the second she arrived in the future, so they're out of time crystal (although not really since they could get to that Klingorc moon where the time crystals are stored but the writers "kinda forgot" about that).
That said, the whole thing doesn't make sense anyway since the wormhole closed after she sent the Iron Man suit back into it and yet, the Discovery came out of the wormhole a year later.
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Can they use their spore drive to go steal the Orb of Time or whatever from Bajor?

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm referencing the series that already grimly deconstructed Star Trek, and did it a lot better, too.
 
DamageJoy said:
Does it need a rest before somebody could take it up and start doing it properly again?
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That would be the best solution since Kurtzman desperately wants to be the architect of a "cinematic universe" and has been busy saturating the market with 5 or 6 series in production at the same time instead of one good show. If not, then "let it die".

TaimuRadiu said:
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm referencing the series that already grimly deconstructed Star Trek, and did it a lot better, too.
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Indeed. DS9 was a deconstruction done right. Their goal wasn't to destroy the Federation but to re-affirm its core ideals to make it stronger. Kurtzman Trek is the opposite, it's like what every Hollywood hack do these days: they destroy a kid's Lego set and replace it with FunkoPop crap.
 
Miller said:
That would be the best solution since Kurtzman desperately wants to be the architect of a "cinematic universe" and has been busy saturating the market with 5 or 6 series in production at the same time instead of one good show. If not, then "let it die".
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I don't understand their media strategy here. Maybe I am not smart enough for the suits there.
Their direction seems to be, no direction. Also with so many shows in production, there is nothing to watch.
Money well spent, to make Voyager look good.
 
DamageJoy said:
I wonder how badly the last decade or so, damaged the Star Trek brand in general. Does it need a rest before somebody could take it up and start doing it properly again?
I guess an upside of STD, Pickard etc. that they are so bad, nobody really cares about them.
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The irony is that nobody except Star Trek fans even care about the new series. Its not like Star Wars where it has mass appeal and you'll get an army of regular people tuning in for the hell of it. Once people stop complaining about the new stuff, it'll be virtually dead. Look at how quickly JJ Trek passed from view.

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Or reboot it so only TOS and TAS are canon ST?

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I don't think any network has the balls to actually take us back to the TOS Era even though that has the most creative potential remaining. There's a lot of plots that a non-Enterprise TOS show could explore, but ENT kind of crushed people's hope that a more primitive era of Trek tech would mean there'd be less technobabble plots. A reboot like that would be such a massive departure from established formula that I don't really see anyone going for it.

Its a bit sad that of all the new Trek shows the least offensive of the them is Lower Decks which is too short and simple to incorporate all of the grimdark tortured character plots and convoluted conspiracy nonsense that Discovery and Picard were so intent on forcing down everyone's throats. I'd actually be wiling to give the creative team behind Lower Decks creative control on a more serious Star Trek series because, despite all of the stuff that irritates me about Lower Decks, it seems like its at least trying to be Star Trek even if its a deliberately distorted vision of it.
 
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I've heard that Lower Decks is ok and that the showrunner is an actual trekkie but I don't want to watch Pickle Trek.
DamageJoy said:
Their direction seems to be, no direction. Also with so many shows in production, there is nothing to watch.
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Exactly.
Look at what they did with STD, in the third season they're in a far future, so... what's the point of watching Picard? Why should we watch the adventures of Jay-El the Golem?
Their goal is clear, it's the same that JJ had in mind: to erase the Roddenberry and Berman era of Trek so that only their productions and OCs are "canon". It's the same thing that kind of happened in Star Wars (the iconic characters became losers so that the new OCs could shine). Now there are rumors about the STD crew encountering the Guardian of Forever (as said in a previous page of the thread) and another Unification episode.
 
L50LasPak said:
The irony is that nobody except Star Trek fans even care about the new series. Its not like Star Wars where it has mass appeal and you'll get an army of regular people tuning in for the hell of it. Once people stop complaining about the new stuff, it'll be virtually dead. Look at how quickly JJ Trek passed from view.
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That is true. Of course Star Trek was always, somewhat a niche show. That is why JJ's attempt to turn it into a demo-reel for his Star Wars movies was dumb. Normal movie goers liked the more action focus, but it had no staying power, for them it was only a popcorn flick nothing more.
Miller said:
I've heard that Lower Decks is ok and that the showrunner is an actual trekkie but I don't want to watch Pickle Trek.
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Brown girl who is always right pokes fun at white guy actually believing in Star Trek. Basically the punch line all the time.
Also Rick and morty knock off art-style and cartoon gore.

Miller said:
Exactly.
Look at what they did with STD, in the third season they're in a far future, so... what's the point of watching Picard? Why should we watch the adventures of Jay-El the Golem?
Their goal is clear, it's the same that JJ had in mind: to erase the Roddenberry and Berman era of Trek so that only their productions and OCs are "canon". It's the same thing that kind of happened in Star Wars (the iconic characters became losers so that the new OCs could shine). Now there are rumors about the STD crew encountering the Guardian of Forever (as said in a previous page of the thread) and another Unification episode.
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At least they make Disney look competent, that is something. Forcing too much continuity in Star Trek is not a good idea, the show always worked better when each show was mostly it's own thing. Sure, you should keep species etc but it should be digestible for somebody who just turns into it the first time.

Also... there is plenty of space between the TOS movie era and TNG. Just sayian.
 
DamageJoy said:
Does it need a rest before somebody could take it up and start doing it properly again?
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It needs around 30 years. Maybe after the next economic crash and WWIII: Chinese Boogaloo we can get some writers with actual life experiences instead of sheltered Hollywood weirdos.
 
Calling it now, the Discovery will go back in time using the Guardian of Forever... and Burnham will somehow get involved with Kirk's Enterprise.
Depending on how dickish the showrunners are by the end of the season, she'll either become the ancestor to Uhura or she'll be Kirk's grandmother or something.

Also, man. This whole shitshow reminds me of Battletech all of a sudden.
STD ruins Trek, jumps into the future to make us realize everything was in vain anyway and shits up the setting with bad and stupid technology.

Battletech was bought up by Wizkids (I think) and they demanded that the ongoing canon be changed, so a decade-spanning series of sourcebooks, novels and even a cartoon about the trials and tribulations of the life in the 30th century were taken behind the shed and beaten to death with a shovel. Instead, a poorly thought out "Jihad" plotline emerged out of nowhere, where some religious sect somehow became so powerful in such a short amount of time, that they buttfucked each and every nation in that setting within a few years, just so Wizkids could jump the setting a hundred years into the future of a dark age and sell their new miniature game in that setting, that was in absolutely every regard inferior to classic Battletech.

Tookie said:
It needs around 30 years. Maybe after the next economic crash and WWIII: Chinese Boogaloo we can get some writers with actual life experiences instead of sheltered Hollywood weirdos.
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If I have to endure a nuclear holocaust, so I can watch entertainment actually being produced by people who know their shit, whose goal is to entertain me and not just berate me for having the wrong skin color or not being deluded about my sexuality, so be it.
also, how bad could WWIII be when your enemy uses nukes Made in China?
 
Tookie said:
It needs around 30 years. Maybe after the next economic crash and WWIII: Chinese Boogaloo we can get some writers with actual life experiences instead of sheltered Hollywood weirdos.
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This is why I don't get excited about when they announce a new addition to an existing property headed by a fan of the property, they likely haven't had much life experience and the entry will be too self-referential.
 
Star Trek fan productions do have a limited history of being pretty good, all things considered. I probably liked Starship Farragut the most. Even Axanar had more potential than anything we saw in Discovery, and depending on who you want to believe in that scenario Axanar was probably killed because it involved the same historical time period and conflict (a short war with the Klingons) that Discovery did.
 
Just saw DS9 "Hard Time" and that was some dark shit. O'Brien with a phaser set of maximum ready to blast his brains out in the cargo bay -- while being talked to by a headmate felt straight out of BSG.

At least Kaiko wasn't being a harpy. That kind of grimdark is exhausting and is reminder why I never feel like rewatching BSG.
 
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