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Tasty Tatty said:
I honestly think they cancelled Batwoman not because it was bad, but because nobody was talking about it.
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Oh, they were talking about it. For all the wrong reasons.

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Tasty Tatty said:
GoT ended in a big massive cope. "Just because our theories didn't happen, doesn't mean it wasn't good." Those "theories" being simple storytelling.

That's an important aspect of new shows too, and I blame youtubers. For them, it's enough to have enough material to sperg and craft elaborate ideas that are never gonna happen but that viewers will consume. It makes them money and that's good enough. Then they cover their disappointed with "well, we know it wasn't going to be just as we wanted, but it was fine" because their e x p e c t a t i o n s were s u b v e r t e d.

It makes money for the critics too: Critical Drinker, Quartering, Cullen, etc. That's why these terrible shows never end and they keep producing them (and that's why I say we shouldn't even watch them, good or not). I honestly think they cancelled Batwoman not because it was bad, but because nobody was talking about it.
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But the only people that were talking about it were Critical Drinker, EFAP, JLongBone, etc.
 
Captain Autism69 said:
He showed in Dr. Strange that he can still act and not sound like a worn out old man, so his performance in Picard is intentional. Fuck him for pissing all over the franchise that made him famous.
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Probably because neither the director nor writer were stupid nor spineless enough to allow him to write his own lines or dictate his own story

Patrick Stewart got famous, popular, and praised for following scripts and director instructions and doing what the fuck he was told to do. The idea this would automatically make him good at formulating stories and narratives himself is as retarded as allowing the best McDonalds burger flipper to start overriding the McDonalds CEO and board of directors with regards to corporate strategy and management.

Stay the fuck in the kitchen and keep flipping the fuckin patties you sad old man, and dont forget your fucking place.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
GoT ended in a big massive cope. "Just because our theories didn't happen, doesn't mean it wasn't good." Those "theories" being simple storytelling.

That's an important aspect of new shows too, and I blame youtubers. For them, it's enough to have enough material to sperg and craft elaborate ideas that are never gonna happen but that viewers will consume. It makes them money and that's good enough. Then they cover their disappointed with "well, we know it wasn't going to be just as we wanted, but it was fine" because their e x p e c t a t i o n s were s u b v e r t e d.

It makes money for the critics too: Critical Drinker, Quartering, Cullen, etc. That's why these terrible shows never end and they keep producing them (and that's why I say we shouldn't even watch them, good or not). I honestly think they cancelled Batwoman not because it was bad, but because nobody was talking about it.
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Oh gosh, there were so many theories in GOT. So much of it was elaborate copium, imagining there was a more complex and compelling narrative than what was actually there, and I swear-so much of the drop in interest after season 8 bombed was due to all the fan “theories” being bunkum.

(There was one guy who actually predicted Bran would be king-didn’t do himself any favors because he was and is a soy boy faggot-but he did make a compelling case at least to me for why it would happen in the books).

That aside, I think a lot of modern TV lives by this-fan chatter and theories and controversy and criticism and counter criticism. To stand out in an era of thousands of shows ongoing-you need to generate buzz.

And while Wokeists are quite sincere when they put their crap into stuff, they also bank on it generating controversy and clicks. (And Woke-ism does do this).

A show that can’t generate buzz and conversation on the internetz-good or bad is a show that will not last in today’s media market.

Which just creates an even worse incentive for “message” writing, “we had a black trans lesbian disabled character do x, now Twitter is aflame!” Is a winning way to remind people your show exists. And push your agenda at the same time.
 
Shamash said:
Oh gosh, there were so many theories in GOT. So much of it was elaborate copium, imagining there was a more complex and compelling narrative than what was actually there, and I swear-so much of the drop in interest after season 8 bombed was due to all the fan “theories” being bunkum.
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When the fan theories are more interesting than the bullshit that gets put on the screen, that everyone hates, maybe they did a bad job telling a story and coming to a satisfying conclusion.
 
Because you faggots are talking about not very trekky shit, I'm here to talk Trekshit.

I really enjoyed episode 5 and wonder how thick the previewers are due to the fact that this was a character driven, somewhat amusing, bottle episode. Filmed entirely on the set of the Enterprise and a park/wood somewhere playing the role of Starbase 1 was just the kind of mid-season palette cleanser required.

We get to focus a bit more on Una and get more hints towards Chief Kyle who seems to be being quietly set up as a new Chief O'Brien in which a deeper character is hinted towards without actually showing it entirely on screen which breaks the "show don't tell" rule pretty grossly... but also seems to work in the same way a workplace reputation can get out of hand. Which is an amusing realistic touch that I actually enjoyed.

La'an and Una going about doing the Star Trek Bingo which is something the "lower ranks" did to amuse themselves was a good team building exercise and them going about it so awkwardly as the pair of workaholics they are was pretty good.

But all of that? Was the actual B plot, which did surprise me.

No, our main plotline was Spock and T'Pring... in a fucking Freaky Friday rip off.

It was pretty good. I kind of like this slightly more "new" take on Vulcans who, while following the teachings of Surak have simply controlled emotions and are still capable of feeling them. We see a bit more of this philosophy in T'Pring's job and how she returns "lost vulcans" those who have rejected Sunak's teachings to the fold.

Pretty fun conclusion to this subplot, in which Spock (In T'pring's body) simply decks the bloke she's supposed to be bringing back. When Spock tells her and apologises she points out that Spock having met him, twatting him was the logical conclusion.

A nice primary plot in which two characters are allowed to grow and better undertand eachother. Not going to spoil the T'Pring (as Spock) subplot but it gives equal and welcome character growth.

We also get a C (ish) plot about Chapel in which is a bit blah. It's revealed she's kind of hookup culture thru and thru and Ortega spends most of her time eye fucking her but this goes nowhere as it turns out Chapel begins to have a thing for Spock. To the point Spock confides in her about the whole situation.


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Theeeeeeen we go onto, well, the next episode which I personal feel was the weakest and wobbliest.

TBH its barely worth covering aside from a planet of child-killers and Pike beds their equivalent of Hilary Clinton. Its the first episode I could honestly say "eh, miss it." aside from the mild development of M'Benga's character and the subplot with his daughter. Some OK acting, but nobody really stands out in this one.

This is the one thing I will say about SNW, it does remind me a little of DS9. It's got consistent plotlines weaving its way through which allows us to see how these characters tick and think, and the extra 15 minutes is being used properly and well, even if it means we're losing 3 episodes as a result.
 
JamesFargo said:
You remember that episode of VOY where Tuvok had to transport, like, 50 dangerous convicts in the cargo bay?

This f*cking genius builds 50 cages, but with one side open for a force field. 'Cause it's the future, or something, and you gotta have a force field.
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Sounds like Fed regulations to me. Gotta use the force field so that if the ship is blowing up, the prisoners don't die in their cells. Remember that the Fed's regular prison is very comfortable compared to any other prison.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
Because you faggots are talking about not very trekky shit, I'm here to talk Trekshit.

I really enjoyed episode 5 and wonder how thick the previewers are due to the fact that this was a character driven, somewhat amusing, bottle episode. Filmed entirely on the set of the Enterprise and a park/wood somewhere playing the role of Starbase 1 was just the kind of mid-season palette cleanser required.

We get to focus a bit more on Una and get more hints towards Chief Kyle who seems to be being quietly set up as a new Chief O'Brien in which a deeper character is hinted towards without actually showing it entirely on screen which breaks the "show don't tell" rule pretty grossly... but also seems to work in the same way a workplace reputation can get out of hand. Which is an amusing realistic touch that I actually enjoyed.

La'an and Una going about doing the Star Trek Bingo which is something the "lower ranks" did to amuse themselves was a good team building exercise and them going about it so awkwardly as the pair of workaholics they are was pretty good.

But all of that? Was the actual B plot, which did surprise me.

No, our main plotline was Spock and T'Pring... in a fucking Freaky Friday rip off.

It was pretty good. I kind of like this slightly more "new" take on Vulcans who, while following the teachings of Surak have simply controlled emotions and are still capable of feeling them. We see a bit more of this philosophy in T'Pring's job and how she returns "lost vulcans" those who have rejected Sunak's teachings to the fold.

Pretty fun conclusion to this subplot, in which Spock (In T'pring's body) simply decks the bloke she's supposed to be bringing back. When Spock tells her and apologises she points out that Spock having met him, twatting him was the logical conclusion.

A nice primary plot in which two characters are allowed to grow and better undertand eachother. Not going to spoil the T'Pring (as Spock) subplot but it gives equal and welcome character growth.

We also get a C (ish) plot about Chapel in which is a bit blah. It's revealed she's kind of hookup culture thru and thru and Ortega spends most of her time eye fucking her but this goes nowhere as it turns out Chapel begins to have a thing for Spock. To the point Spock confides in her about the whole situation.


=========================

Theeeeeeen we go onto, well, the next episode which I personal feel was the weakest and wobbliest.

TBH its barely worth covering aside from a planet of child-killers and Pike beds their equivalent of Hilary Clinton. Its the first episode I could honestly say "eh, miss it." aside from the mild development of M'Benga's character and the subplot with his daughter. Some OK acting, but nobody really stands out in this one.

This is the one thing I will say about SNW, it does remind me a little of DS9. It's got consistent plotlines weaving its way through which allows us to see how these characters tick and think, and the extra 15 minutes is being used properly and well, even if it means we're losing 3 episodes as a result.
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I liked both episodes, I think I liked the second more than the first. The Spock Freaky Friday plot was a "Trek" stupid premise. I think the actors did well. What I really liked was aliens that aren't just humans that look different, they have a different way of thinking. I think they earned that ending where Pike figured it out, but weren't so blatant with it that it was obvious the entire episode.

The other episode was much more predictable, but also I kinda liked it as an almost "Enterprise stumbles across a 40k planet." Oh yeah, we have the tech we need to survive, and we only can do so by engineering this boy and feeding it to the machine. I appreciated that they didn't get the happy ending where the boy is saved but the planet isn't lost. Or the Janeway solution of I'm saving this kid that I met, fuck those nobodies on the shithole. I only wish there was a scene where Pike his fling a good Federation ideals talking down to. "You aren't sacrificing children because it's the only way to survive. You have ships with warp, you could relocate, you are sacrificing children to maintain the quality of their lives."
 
I just found the greatest thing ever. Scenes from TNG and Voyager remade in the style of the animated series:



God, I love the fucking internet.
 
Regarding the dreaded tranny episode of Strange New Worlds that we all knew was coming. Bigtime spoilers:

When nuChapel uses they/them pronouns at the beginning I was expecting the worst, as-if this might be the episode where I would have to bail on a nuTrek show that's been surprisingly solid so far, but they pulled it off in stellar fashion. Had their gender cake and ate it, too. Xir ends up being a disgusting, traitorous villain and gets btfo by a simple display of hetero sexuality.

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It's not a perfect episode. The "pirates" angle is a bit on-the-nose and the plot feels rushed in places, but watching Spock bash a few goons heads in was highly satisfying. Literally not a single scene of poz in the entire episode (apart from the casting itself and the blink-and-you'll-miss-them pronouns) but so help me I thought it was coming after the turbolift scene with the necklace. Pretty surprising in Current Year, but there's arguably some meta commentary in Spock's dialogue about what xir actually is.




For me, the show survives another week. These writers may not know dick about actual Star Trek and in fact are probably completely winging it but they are so far very adept at threading an extremely gay needle and producing a watchable show.
 
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