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40 Year Old Boomer said:
I don't know what crack the rest of y'all are smoking, but the new episode of SNW was absolutely awful. Everything with the smug tranny, Chapel saying "protip", the constant zoomins on El Navigatora de Goblina, the wink-wink nudge-nudge mutiny plan, fucking Sybok, and the retarded 80's cartoon villain getaway at the end. It somehow managed to be even more pointless than the mediocre Orville episode I followed it up with.
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Couldn't agree more. Anyone giving this one props for having a tranny villian or being "anti-woke" is just as stupid as the retards who watch it for muh diversity.
 
Ike Aim said:
I've been saying this for seven episodes and yet this nuTrek SNW show refuses to conform to my expectations and ruin itself just to spite me. It's entertaining me instead and I find that highly sus. There is a trick here somewhere.
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I know, isn't it great?

Isn't it just... nice?

It's it nice when the writers introduce something new and interesting as a concept that, while a trope of many a good sci-fi yarn has never really been seen in Star Trek?

And isn't it nice when they do it well?

Also, anyone else notice there was a lot of buttshots in this episode, for Ethan Peck, Jess Bush and Jessie James Kietal?

Just a lot of tactical buttcheeks in this episode.

Jeffereys tubes make a welcome cameo in this episode, even if the Enterprise design feels a bit more like something from a kiddies playground but I guess its in keeping with the red/white aesthetic so makes some sense and really makes them stand out in a corriddor.

Anyway, good episode again with deeper understandings and callbacks from earlier episodes. The inevitable love triangle set up of T'Pring, Chapel and Spock is now well established and its actually kind of nice to see Chapel get a personal discovery arc in which, after trying to keep herself "casual" due to roaming the galaxy to find herself in a situation in which she can't really get what she wants. She's trying to shrug it all off as she always does but Bush does a good job of the semi-heartbreak she's starting to feel.

The Exploration Suits as I am dubbing them are absolutely great to see kept in. They spent money on those things, damned if they're not using them. Proper looking Phaser Rifles too, honestly look far better than the TNG/DS9 era weapons which were very unergonomic and unweildy. There's a reason we make our guns the way we make 'em and its good to see that addressed.

It's also nice to see everyone has the military-esque "unwilling nicknames". Una has "Where Fun Goes to Die" (Though her own take of "Fun's Funeral" is way pithier) and Pike is "The Boy Scout". Suggests there's plenty of others snuck into the files of various star fleet officers which'd be nice to slowly find out.

Captain Angel was great, but the set up was a little too obvious. She wasn't wandering about looking like a humanitarian director but more like a space pirate queen or wild-west cortesean. Which makes you wonder if Jesse James rocked up in that herself (Honestly, quite likely considering any pictures of them anywhere else) or someone in the costume department made it and just handed it to them.

Its a shame the Squall all got taken into custody, as they'd have made a far more interesting recurring enemy considering their desire to pilfer ships for supplies and loot and could've made an interesting setup. Which is probably partially why Angel got to escape. Them storming the ship was nicely done and shows someone on set seems to understand how these actions should at least somewhat work.

I honestly hope that Sybok doesn't get more than the glance of the shoulder cameo. It looked a lot like Peck in hobo makeup which ruins the contrast of Sybok with Spock in Trek V.

In all, good fun.
 
What's the general consensus on Icheb being killed off in Picard? I know the actor had some issues that made him unpopular with the right sort of people; but the extremely violent and not-very-Star-Trek way in which he died seems mean-spirited.
 
IrishGuy088 said:
What's the general consensus on Icheb being killed off in Picard? I know the actor had some issues that made him unpopular with the right sort of people; but the extremely violent and not-very-Star-Trek way in which he died seems mean-spirited.
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he had wrong thing, so they killed off his character in such a manner because the writers are psychotic
 
IrishGuy088 said:
What's the general consensus on Icheb being killed off in Picard? I know the actor had some issues that made him unpopular with the right sort of people; but the extremely violent and not-very-Star-Trek way in which he died seems mean-spirited.
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I blame Game of Thrones.

Only very stupid people think that killing characters equals adult, dramatic story.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I blame Game of Thrones.

Only very stupid people think that killing characters equals adult, dramatic story.
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I do wonder if GoT would have been as popular as it was if it weren't for all the nudity in it. To elaborate on Nimoy's point, I don't mind nudity either when it's in service to the story, but from what I hear, all the nudity can be omitted from GoT and it wouldn't make a difference to the story.
 
IrishGuy088 said:
What's the general consensus on Icheb being killed off in Picard? I know the actor had some issues that made him unpopular with the right sort of people; but the extremely violent and not-very-Star-Trek way in which he died seems mean-spirited.
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Shit and still in Kurtzman's spiteful era before someone at CBS realised if they kicked him up a notch he can just "oversee" projects and stop shitting them up. Every show bar Picard at least saw some mild improvement after he began to just exec produce everything instead of being front line fucking it up and yelling at Showrunners until they quit.

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I do wonder if GoT would have been as popular as it was if it weren't for all the nudity in it. To elaborate on Nimoy's point, I don't mind nudity either when it's in service to the story, but from what I hear, all the nudity can be omitted from GoT and it wouldn't make a difference to the story.
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GoT is all the nudity, sex and violence. Aside from the political marriages and fucking needed for plot progression/intrigue its all shit.
 
I have a Commander Worf change bank to remind me that only an honorless p'takh spends all his money without saving. Got it for my birthday.
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DS9 is probably my favorite ST series, was there ever like a given reason they never came back for another reason? Also it's probably impossible to do a revival now considering the age of all the stars, along with Odo and Nog's actors having sadly passed away. Right?
 
Ike Aim said:
I've been saying this for seven episodes and yet this nuTrek SNW show refuses to conform to my expectations and ruin itself just to spite me. It's entertaining me instead and I find that highly sus. There is a trick here somewhere.
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Really man. The show has been at least watchable so far. An episode even had a plot based on "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas."

It isn't Shakespear but its better than the first two seasons of the next generation and most of the third season of the original series.

ChaosReignsOnSomeSaturday said:
DS9 is probably my favorite ST series, was there ever like a given reason they never came back for another reason? Also it's probably impossible to do a revival now considering the age of all the stars, along with Odo and Nog's actors having sadly passed away. Right?
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TNG, DS9,Voyager all ran for 7. I would assume it was some sort of syndication related reason. I remember being glued to the last season of DS9. Ezri >>> Jadzia.
 
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I believe Enterprise was planned for seven seasons, well at least a fifth season was planned. It would be interesting to imagine what Star Trek would look like if Enterprise had not been cancelled and the franchise slipped into obscurity for the mid 2000s. If Enterprise had run to 2007-2008, then I doubt the Abrams films would have been made as soon, and other shows with Berman at the head might have continued.
 
ChaosReignsOnSomeSaturday said:
DS9 is probably my favorite ST series, was there ever like a given reason they never came back for another reason? Also it's probably impossible to do a revival now considering the age of all the stars, along with Odo and Nog's actors having sadly passed away. Right?
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I'm glad they gave it a purposeful ending and left on a high instead of stringing out the dominion war until it started to lose steam, also if the TNG movies are anything to go by we should be thankful DS9 was spared from that.

At the same time I think it would be the easiest to expand upon after the fact. The end of it leaves tons of hooks and the dominion is still very much a threat, maybe even more so after the war. I'm definitely not complaining that nutrek hasn't totally molested DS9 yet, in fact I hope it stays that way, but its very telling how the new shows keep going back to TOS era for pure nostalgia bait and also to avoid having to engage with the expansive lore at all.

If you think about the old shows they were constantly moving forward in time and building off lore the iterations before them set up, the exception to that was Enterprise but I still think they picked a new and interesting time period for that one that had a lot to explore, the problem with that show was more in execution.
So what do we have now? Discovery started as TOS era nostalgia bait again (Remember Spock? Remember the Klingon War?) but when they couldn't even do the bare minimum for that they move it to a time period so far in the future it has no resemblence to star trek anymore. Picard is technically the furthest in the timeline we've seen but that show is a canon nightmare and may as well just be set in an alternate universe. And then theres everyones favourite Strange New Worlds, which is just fucking TOS nostalgia bait again except they don't fuck it up as badly as they did with Disco. Rate me MATI but I don't give a shit about captain pike or yung uhura or spock (REMEMBER SPOCK?), its lazy to keep defaulting back to these things we already know like star wars loves to do when trek of the past had been able to sucessfully reinvent itself multiple times.

Part of me wants to give some praise to SNW for not being a total dumpster fire of a show, but it's a low bar and rationally I think supporting this one is just going to tell paramount that the treajectory for star trek is a million more of these shows about Character You Know, It's a slippery slope to Star Trek: Neelix.
 
I honestly wish they had done something similar to the Novelverse-final Borg invasion, Typhon pact, Titan exploration, etc...

Going up to the (unfortunately canonical) Hobus supernova. Which would change the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant.

The Burn frustrates me to no end, utterly cynical and lazy at the same time.
 
Watched the DS9 episode The Wire recently, I'd actually skipped it many years back when I was still getting into DS9 because the episode guide I used kind of talked it down. Extremely good episode though, borderline underrated honestly. I dealt with some rather bad personal stuff a few years ago that I won't get into but suffice to say Robinson's performance as Garak in this episode is extremely relatable and very realistic given the situation he ends up in. Bashir also gets some impressive moments, and manages to live up to the idealistic doctor archetype without coming off as too preachy or savior-complexy.

Like when he says "I'm a doctor, you're my patient. That's all there is to it." it comes off as completely sincere and fully in-character. Even good Trek episodes sometimes struggles with delivering lines like that.

I'd actually rank it on par with Duet as one of the absolute standout episodes of early DS9 and an early indicator the series was adept at tackling darker subject matters than Trek was normally used to dealing with. Its also a great example of mature and disturbing subject matter that's still compelling, instead of the idiotic ways NuTrek tries to force it into every story.

All around great episode, I recommend you see it if you skipped over early DS9 or give it a rewatch if you're fuzzy on the early seasons.
 
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