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Flexo said:
She was with her first actress. They quickly got a much older actress.
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In addition to being the first to play the part, Cyia Batten (like Jeffery Combs) appeared in DS9, VOY, and ENT.

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I liked Tracy Middendorf the best. Her version of Ziyal had a sort of self-assuredness (in the Cardassian sauna situation) which was missing from the others. She would have played off Dukat really well. Smith’s Ziyal seemed too dependent and obsessive about Garak.

Also, like Combs, Middendorf/Batten have crossed into the horror genre. Fans of Buffy would be more familiar with Tracy, and I liked her in Wes Craven's New Nightmare.
 
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JamesFargo said:
In addition to being the first to play the part, Cyia Batten (like Jeffery Combs) appeared in DS9, VOY, and ENT.

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I liked Tracy Middendorf the best. Her version of Ziyal had a sort of self-assuredness (in the Cardassian sauna situation) which was missing from the others. She would have played off Dukat really well. Smith’s Ziyal seemed too dependent and obsessive about Garak.

Also, like Combs, Middendorf/Batten have crossed into the horror genre. Fans of Buffy would be more familiar with Tracy, and I liked her in Wes Craven's New Nightmare.
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Reminds me of the episode where they have the two cardie broads on the ship and one is working closely with O'Brien and being a cunt to him constantly and when he talks back to her she's suddenly all over him because she's used to spoon-head men being tough guys and Miles is obviously a cut above the rest. That was a hearty lol.

as if no one here would have put their hands in the cutlery drawer with her
 
Flexo said:
She was with her first actress. They quickly got a much... older actress in her 3rd appearance when they realized they wanted to explore a relationship between her and Garak and wanted to AVOID the pedo thing.
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Right so they got a new actor that was old enough... but does that really change the character's age?

Yeah, my boyfriend looks like he's 11 but he is really a 10,000 year old immortal dragon with the memories of the ancient sages. You don't need to call anyone put your phone down.
 

"The practice of using timeships lasted into the 31st century, when an Earth vessel from that century was discovered in the 22nd century by Enterprise NX-01. (ENT: "Future Tense") After a temporal war in that century, all time travel technology was banned and destroyed. (DIS: "That Hope Is You, Part 1")"

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I liked VOY and ENT's glimpses of Starfleet timelords/time cops. It was both optimistic(minority report implications aside), and really cool. Discovery then proceeds to completely destroy it so it can do the hackneyed Federation collapse plot.

It gets back to my point that Discovery clearly doesn't want to be in Trek canon-and goes out of its way to undermine it simply for the writer's convenience.
 
Shamash said:

"The practice of using timeships lasted into the 31st century, when an Earth vessel from that century was discovered in the 22nd century by Enterprise NX-01. (ENT: "Future Tense") After a temporal war in that century, all time travel technology was banned and destroyed. (DIS: "That Hope Is You, Part 1")"

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I liked VOY and ENT's glimpses of Starfleet timelords/time cops. It was both optimistic(minority report implications aside), and really cool. Discovery then proceeds to completely destroy it so it can do the hackneyed Federation collapse plot.

It gets back to my point that Discovery clearly doesn't want to be in Trek canon-and goes out of its way to undermine it simply for the writer's convenience.
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Yeah the far future stuff from Voyager and Enterprise seemed to follow through with the Federation's overall goals to try to be mostly peaceful and altruistic. Becoming guardians of time would seem to be the logical next step from the Federation we know. That is until the Federation became politics yaaas kween.
 
Too Many Catgirls said:
Right so they got a new actor that was old enough... but does that really change the character's age?

Yeah, my boyfriend looks like he's 11 but he is really a 10,000 year old immortal dragon with the memories of the ancient sages. You don't need to call anyone put your phone down.
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I'm quoting myself from the Mad at the Internet thread with a few changes:

It's a drawing. She's fictional. [She] has no actual age.

Look, if it looks like the guy can benchpress a fridge or the woman is stacked like a woman in the Shapiro household, they're adult, I don't care what number the artist scrawls underneath them. Likewise if the guy or girl looks all tiny and barely has any secondary sexual characteristics visible, then they're a child even if the artist says they're really 700 years old. (And I've know actual adult women in their 40s who looked like lolis.)

And since Trek never brought up a number, we don't have to either.
 
Flexo said:
I'm quoting myself from the Mad at the Internet thread with a few changes:

It's a drawing. She's fictional. [She] has no actual age.

Look, if it looks like the guy can benchpress a fridge or the woman is stacked like a woman in the Shapiro household, they're adult, I don't care what number the artist scrawls underneath them. Likewise if the guy or girl looks all tiny and barely has any secondary sexual characteristics visible, then they're a child even if the artist says they're really 700 years old. (And I've know actual adult women in their 40s who looked like lolis.)

And since Trek never brought up a number, we don't have to either.
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You really are the evil twin. Stay away from me!!!

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~~ *runs*
 
Captain Janeway was only until episode 2 of FotA sequel, at least for now she didn't die, she got fired for being a bitch. If she returns, I still don't know. I didn't finish the episode because it was really possed.

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You have to be fucking kidding me, they managed to get Flowers in the Attic, a story happening in the 40s, infested with woke shit. I haven't read the book this prequel is mean to cover, but I really doubt there was a interracial gay romance in there. I was enjoying the story, but I had to turn it off. I will watch again when ep. 3 is available for me and all the real degeneracy of heterosexual white incest starts to happen.
 
No bras in Turkana IV
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ETA: I get why the Prime Directive is a thing for worlds that the Federation doesn't have direct contact with, but this was an earth colony that had actual rape gangs and they did nothing to help their own people. There is no way that the Federation didn't have the tools to not only help them solve any problem but to actually put down any rebellion and gang violence. Once you leave earth you're on your own? I don't believe this.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Once you leave earth you're on your own? I don't believe this.
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Believe it. The men and women who eventually colonize Mars will be a break-away species the moment they close the doors to that launch capsule. Star Trek depicts humans many light years away, but the princples are the same even at shouting distance. When the Titanic was sinking the lifeboats fucked off half-filled and waited. At a certain point, Captain Smith recalled them to pick up other women and children but they told him "fuck off. not my problem" because they're no longer in the same boat and Titanic is sinking with crazy people on it and the lifeboat is comfy and buoyant. Women on the lifeboats protested that they should return (it was almost entirely women and children) because there were plenty of empty seats but were also told to stfu by the little boats and their new captains, who were men. Those men knew (or intuited) things that those women didn't which is sometimes you can care too much. In life, often the right choice isn't the "morally urgent" one. Sometimes there are no right choices. Sometimes you have to look away because turning to look means pillars of salt. Or, at the very least, take a long time to consider other options about the best way to help (which is nice because on a long enough time span most problems tend to solve themselves).

Star Trek was largely written by pre-Boomers and Boomers who were liberally-minded and progressive for their day however they harbored certain retarded notions about "being responsible" and selfish dogwhistles like "what if we actually make things worse?" that the zoomers of today rightfully condemn. Now, if things go badly despite the best of intentions we just blame something or someone else because we're all victims who have been conditioned through learned helplessness to believe we have no control but in the boomer and pre-boomer mindset you really don't have that option. You're expected to be responsible and make tough choices like those Titanic lifeboat captains and live with the consequences of listening to women cry as children drown.

Star Trek attempts to present this as an enlightened moral stance and elevates it to a central position while handwaving the icky emotional baggage it causes (subverted somewhat later once the boomers took over writing from the pre-boomers in TNG and DS9) since Starfleet is made up of people who have effectively solved these sort of emotional issues... somehow. Emotional scars aren't something Star Trek does well partly because of the episodic nature but also because they're presumed to have solved these things in the future.

I have a theory that partly what makes this possible in the Star Trek universe is the absence of mass media of any kind. They do not appear to engage in social media or passively consume narrative media delivered to them digitally, at least not to any meaningful extent. They put on plays like faggots and do some vidya on the holodeck. The problem this creates is they don't know how to care like we do today. No one will tell them. For them, getting involved is REAL and personal with real potential consequences both to the individuals and societies/institutions involved if shit goes sideways. It's not performative and detached from reality like with us. They don't have the tools we have to blame and shame each other for clout over shit that really isn't our problem. What this creates is an outrage-desert- a dystopian hellscape where no one is mad about anything but everything appears to be fine. They can't bring the full force of Starfleet to bear down on that colony with wagie cages and mind control to make them Decent Fucking Human Beings™ because there is no political will and there is no political will because post-scarcity society with no social/mass media. Star Trek is kind of a nightmare when you think about it.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
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ETA: I get why the Prime Directive is a thing for worlds that the Federation doesn't have direct contact with, but this was an earth colony that had actual rape gangs and they did nothing to help their own people. There is no way that the Federation didn't have the tools to not only help them solve any problem but to actually put down any rebellion and gang violence. Once you leave earth you're on your own? I don't believe this.
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Like the Old Testament God the Federation will stop at nothing to destroy those who don't believe in it's "utopia" or those races who don't want to be a part of it. It's ultimate goal is to absorb all cultures in the galaxy and turn them all into the beige-colored NPC heaven the Federation calls culture. So yes, the Feds would not give a fuck if a break away colony had a rape gang problem.

In short, Michael Eddington did nothing wrong.
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