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Molly White's Breast Milk said:
Now have him call Sisko a nigger and see what happens.
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UnKillShredDur said:
This was the best episode of Star Trek Enterprise...
Peak Archer.
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There's another episode I saw on TV recently where Sam leaps into a KKK member. There's a very memeable scene where Sam doesn't want to say the word "nigger" and Al is freaking out yelling, "SAY IT SAM!! SAY IT!!" and then Bakula meekly says "nigger".
 
Molly White's Breast Milk said:
Now have him call Sisko a nigger and see what happens.
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When you think about it, it is rather obsessive of Sisko to be personally offended at 1960s America:

1. Skin color is not a meaningful distinction in a society of Antedians, Bolians, Tellarites, Andorians, Vulcans, and everyone else in the Federation.
2. His personal culture growing up is in New Orleans, and sure, there are Black people there, but they really like to consider themselves some variation of French. The food he ate growing up was Cajun after all.
3. His African items are from some place in Africa (I don't spend time studying these cultures), not the Antebellum American South, meaning his personal interest is in those cultures and their aesthetic tastes, which is not similar to American Slave culture.
4. We've already established that Negress is an archaic term in 400 years.

So, Sisko being offended at this particular era of American history is like Critical Drinker getting offended at the English for their treatment of William Wallace. Remember that in the future, people have a hard time telling the difference between Canadians and Americans, so studying American history that didn't lead up to WWIII is rather niche.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
I liked the part where Abraham Lincoln called Uhura "a charming negress" and not only did she not take offense, she seemed bemused at the idea of taking offense over words in general
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Pushing "zero tolerance for offensive speech" sure has changed a lot.

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Skin color is not a meaningful distinction
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Skin color itself should be trivial as hair or eye color (like in pre-NuTrek ST?), not holy "identity" as it can be in Clown World.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
When you think about it, it is rather obsessive of Sisko to be personally offended at 1960s America:

1. Skin color is not a meaningful distinction in a society of Antedians, Bolians, Tellarites, Andorians, Vulcans, and everyone else in the Federation.
2. His personal culture growing up is in New Orleans, and sure, there are Black people there, but they really like to consider themselves some variation of French. The food he ate growing up was Cajun after all.
3. His African items are from some place in Africa (I don't spend time studying these cultures), not the Antebellum American South, meaning his personal interest is in those cultures and their aesthetic tastes, which is not similar to American Slave culture.
4. We've already established that Negress is an archaic term in 400 years.

So, Sisko being offended at this particular era of American history is like Critical Drinker getting offended at the English for their treatment of William Wallace. Remember that in the future, people have a hard time telling the difference between Canadians and Americans, so studying American history that didn't lead up to WWIII is rather niche.
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The time travel and Benny shit probably makes it stick a bit more.
And iirc when he was spazzing about Vic's basically everybody, even his gf, thought it was dumb
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
When you think about it, it is rather obsessive of Sisko to be personally offended at 1960s America:

1. Skin color is not a meaningful distinction in a society of Antedians, Bolians, Tellarites, Andorians, Vulcans, and everyone else in the Federation.
2. His personal culture growing up is in New Orleans, and sure, there are Black people there, but they really like to consider themselves some variation of French. The food he ate growing up was Cajun after all.
3. His African items are from some place in Africa (I don't spend time studying these cultures), not the Antebellum American South, meaning his personal interest is in those cultures and their aesthetic tastes, which is not similar to American Slave culture.
4. We've already established that Negress is an archaic term in 400 years.

So, Sisko being offended at this particular era of American history is like Critical Drinker getting offended at the English for their treatment of William Wallace. Remember that in the future, people have a hard time telling the difference between Canadians and Americans, so studying American history that didn't lead up to WWIII is rather niche.
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Sisko is one buck broken nigger. Now I'm imagining how Dukat would have handled him if he had studied Earth history a bit more.
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"Ah, Captain Sisko! I have a message for you: Kill niggers. Behead niggers. Roundhouse kick a nigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a nigger baby into a replicator. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a niggers food. Launch niggers into the sun. Stir fry niggers in yamak sauce. Toss niggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a niggers anti-matter. Judo throw niggers into an ore processor . Twist niggers heads off. Report niggers to Section 31. Karate chop niggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black niggers. Trap niggers in quicksand. Crush niggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy niggers in a vat of acid. Eat niggers. Dissect niggers. Exterminate niggers in the gas chamber. Stomp nigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate niggers in the oven. Lobotomize niggers. Mandatory abortions for niggers. Grind nigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown niggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize niggers with a disruptor. Kick old niggers down the stairs. Feed niggers to alligators. Slice niggers with a katana."
 
TVB said:
Honestly, yes Voyager is comfy Trek kino
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Yes, and I don't care people who say otherwise. VOY is just Star Trek: Gilligan and that's fine. Not everything has to be some sort of deep moral debate about ethics or WAR™.

BIG BILL HELL'S said:
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To be fair, the whole show is Roddenberry's not at all disguised fetish: he envisioned a society without fear of pregnancy and no STDs where everybody could fuck each other without societal condemnation. He couldn't just present that so he said: "...in space!"

marvlouslie said:
Seriously. Spock in '09 Trek was a fucking asshole. As stern and as unwavering in his duty as TOS Spock was at times, he did often "joke" (or at least a Vulcan's approximation of one) around with Kirk and McCoy. You could at least tell from his mannerisms that he deeply respected both of them. I don't even recognize what the fuck '09 Trek Spock was supposed to be. While I liked Zachary Quinto filling the role, it's the overall script and characterization of Spock that pisses me the fuck off.
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It's because these people don't get Vulcans.

Vulcans do have feelings, they just don't show them. You can say that Spock is part human, so he's more likely to make jokes than the average Vulcan, but Sarek here is showing emotions for his wife and he's somehow a bit of a goof here:


He also enjoys music and the reason he cried to it in TNG listening to that piece of music is because it's not just some "logical" thing he does: it causes an effect on him, an effect he keeps under control in normal times. Writing someone like this must be almost impossible for the average current writer of any show nowadays.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Writing someone like this must be almost impossible for the average current writer of any show nowadays.
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Only because they're absolute faggots who have been brainwashed into NPCs completely incapable of comprehending the idea of anyone who thinks differently from them.
 
@Molly White's Breast Milk
"Ah, Captain Sisko! I have a message for you: Kill niggers. Behead niggers. Roundhouse kick a nigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a nigger baby into a replicator. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a niggers food. Launch niggers into the sun. Stir fry niggers in yamak sauce. Toss niggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a niggers anti-matter. Judo throw niggers into an ore processor . Twist niggers heads off. Report niggers to Section 31. Karate chop niggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black niggers. Trap niggers in quicksand. Crush niggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy niggers in a vat of acid. Eat niggers. Dissect niggers. Exterminate niggers in the gas chamber. Stomp nigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate niggers in the oven. Lobotomize niggers. Mandatory abortions for niggers. Grind nigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown niggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize niggers with a disruptor. Kick old niggers down the stairs. Feed niggers to alligators. Slice niggers with a katana."
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Dukat is too intelligent to say this outright as Sisko would've have an easy out to ignore him and being a buck-broken snitch tattletaling on him to Starfleet and Cardassiaan govt. Although Dukat is intelligent to say exactly that with creative wording without using the word "nigger" once. Granted if Sisko was fat black woman, Dukat will be hard pressed to top Al Bundy in verbally assaulting humans.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Dukat is too intelligent to say this outright as Sisko would've have an easy out to ignore him and being a buck-broken snitch tattletaling on him to Starfleet and Cardassiaan govt.
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He would claim it was written by someone else, maybe some high ranking Maquis or bajoran, and then read the entire thing out to sisko. Slowly.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
When you think about it, it is rather obsessive of Sisko to be personally offended at 1960s America:
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Very much so. In the early 1970s there were towns in Scotland with laws still on the books calling for the summary execution of Armstrongs; Neil apparently found that hilarious and British police would prank him with a certificate he could present if arrested. As usual, 1960s writing was just smarter than later decades.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Yes, and I don't care people who say otherwise. VOY is just Star Trek: Gilligan and that's fine. Not everything has to be some sort of deep moral debate about ethics or WAR™.
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Damn right. Voyager may have been the red-headed child in the entire late 80s-mid 2000s TV Trek, but it was still good fun and the writing had every right to be way better than the modern Trek from 2009 onward
 
TVB said:
Damn right. Voyager may have been the red-headed child in the entire late 80s-mid 2000s TV Trek, but it was still good fun and the writing had every right to be way better than the modern Trek from 2009 onward
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Yeah everybody bitched about how it needed to have season long arcs, but the reality of how shitty Discovery did it, made me realize we dodged a bullet.

Voyager was cool for me because it was able to get away with darker story's then average. Stuff like the doctor having to choose who to save and Tuvix.

It had it's own identity that allowed it to go outside the box every now and then.
 
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