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What if someone assimilated into the Borg believed pure machine is better than cyborg, that belief spread in the collective, and the Borg ditched biology entirely?

Calling themselves the "Pure Ones" to signify their complete separation from the corruption of biological matter, the Meklar are [...] [contemptuous] of organic life forms [...]​

- Master of Orion 3 (a game that didn't do too well). In earlier -- and unrelated -- games in the series, Meklar are cybernetic.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
What if someone assimilated into the Borg believed pure machine is better than cyborg, that belief spread in the collective, and the Borg ditched biology entirely?

Calling themselves the "Pure Ones" to signify their complete separation from the corruption of biological matter, the Meklar are [...] [contemptuous] of organic life forms [...]​

- Master of Orion 3 (a game that didn't do too well). In earlier -- and unrelated -- games in the series, Meklar are cybernetic.
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this concept was explored in the tng episode descent, when lore took over a lost borg cube. lore convinced this borg off shoot that full artificial life is the key and not half bio/half artificial. did experiments on the borg with no success. there was a rebellion within the borg off shoot, half of the borg were for lore and half against. lore was stopped by the tng crew and the rebel borg before he and his borg followers could do more.

if the full artificial angle was explored more, it would have been interesting but the borg works best as a rare threat. imo, the borg got stale when voy overused them.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Why doesn't the Enterprise D have some safety feature to beam antimatter into space if there's an imminent containment failure?
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Thing is they do have safety features but because of plot, they always fail, get destroyed, disabled, rendered inoperable and etc. in the episodes. It have been such a long running meme, Galaxy Quest had it as a plot device cause those squid people just had to copy that aspect too for the ship. Granted that was for the ship self-destruct override which also been a long time Star Trek bit of hardware that suffered the same problems.
 
newuser131 said:
this concept was explored in the tng episode descent, when lore took over a lost borg cube. lore convinced this borg off shoot that full artificial life is the key and not half bio/half artificial. did experiments on the borg with no success. there was a rebellion within the borg off shoot, half of the borg were for lore and half against. lore was stopped by the tng crew and the rebel borg before he and his borg followers could do more.

if the full artificial angle was explored more, it would have been interesting but the borg works best as a rare threat. imo, the borg got stale when voy overused them.
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I just watched "Q Who" last week, the one where Q totally fucks with the Enterprise sending them straight into Borg territory and only getting them out of there when Picard finally admits they're completely underequipped in every regard to handle such a threat.

Utterly fantastic episode, you know so little about The Borg in that episode as it is their first appearance. I'd like to think that THAT BORG in question is still totally undefeated and the TNG/DS9/VOY crews only knocked out the wimpiest version of the Borg. Once the Borg could be defeated their ability to be compelling villains was completely taken down. BTW Rob Bowman directed that episode I really think Bowman was responsible for the best episodes of Star Trek and The X-Files just a great director who got the most out of the actors and sets.

Bringing a former enemy species to being neutral/good is hard work, Star Trek knocked it out of the park with The Klingons. They became way more compelling as a wildcard ally to the Federation and the viewer learned their psychological underpinnings with them being a clear pastiche of Feudal Japan/Russians. Romulans were always way less compelling, I still don't get how they're supposed to be space-faring Romans. But the Borg on the other hand, it doesn't really make sense in terms of why they tick. They're so clearly not happy being a race of hivemind gung-ho warriors, I don't think there was ever an episode of Trek about an Ex-Borg attempting to reconnect with their old race. They just don't make much sense, I'd need Deanna Troi to give the Queen a psyche exam.
 
I always liked the explanation for why the Borg got nerfed in the Return.

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Essentially the Borg get a little too cocky and slowly start subverting the romulans. They give one of the smarter unhinged chicks a say and the ability to bring back kirk as an assassin for shits and giggles ("Everybody's going to get assimilated anyway, might as well see how they use our superior tech to destroy the feds before the experiment's over") because she's the grand kid of the captain from turnabout intruder and wants revenge against picard. It sounds stupid I know, but the writing made me buy it. The Borg have this dispassionate certainty of success and they pull off some nasty tricks. (There's a point where they pretend to be non threating to lure Picard into a trap. Also the Borg combat form is a nightmare that reminds me of dead space)

Eventually everybody hitches a ride on a transwarp conduit to the Borg homeworld and uses a combination of guile ( getting Borg cubes to blow each other up while trying to shoot at them) and a cloak manage to beam kirk and Picard to the surface to blow it up. This compromises the Borgs ability to coordinate, make independent decisions and draw upon the wealth of knowledge they should have at will.
Essentially they blew up the Borgs brain and that's why the queens are a thing in the future. Whole book is pre first contact.

It's one of those rare moments where the crossover actually pulls off a threat that justifies getting the separate bands together. It's a pretty fun read and even though it's part of the shatnerverse they made it self contained.


One of my favorite moments is when Riker is commandeering a ship to go after Picard. He's on ds9 and needs a medic, so he draft's Bashir's ass. He only has like three scenes, but one of them involves surgery on Kirks brain.

Makes this whole scene 10 times funnier.

 
I'm watching DS9 while my lovely sis is watching TNG (we'll swap once we finish). We love both series but we reached a breaking point:

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We can't stand this faggot and his dipshit wife. I want to see his retard labor union ass die on an alien planet while buried by Garak and Dukat...
 
I think the Q Continuum is "next to" the far side of this galaxy in an extradimensional way, as those supernovas happened in normal space near Voyager. Also the Q have a special interest in Terrans, which I think would be less likely if the Q Continuum didn't have some kind of connection to the same galaxy (out of 100 billion+ galaxies).
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I think the Q Continuum is "next to" the far side of this galaxy in an extradimensional way, as those supernovas happened in normal space near Voyager. Also the Q have a special interest in Terrans, which I think would be less likely if the Q Continuum didn't have some kind of connection to the same galaxy (out of 100 billion+ galaxies).
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The Q are humans from the future that have transcended to their next form and forgot about their past. I doubt this is supported by any ST novels but it feels like something a ST writer would come up with.
 
Molly White's Breast Milk said:
The Q are humans from the future that have transcended to their next form and forgot about their past.
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I like thinking they were from a world somewhere in the far side of the galaxy, and were not necessarily humanoid (but likely were).

By the way a prominent feature of the galactic far side is increased visibility of the "Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy" (wiki).
 
Just finished the last episode of DS9. Have now seen the complete series.

The last season was pretty bad, but I can't hate on it to much. The last episode was ok.

Sad to see it go. Especially knowing what happened to the franchise afterwards.

But it was great while it lasted.
 
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