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Here's a nitpic for Voyager I am noticing while I'm watching. I assume this is a hollywood producer being niggardly with the budget, but they very rarely have the non-cast voyager crew actually have a speaking role. To the point it's noticeable when they have to shuffle the bridge crew around. Here's some examples
Tuvok incapacitated and they a tactical situation, have Harry on Tactical, but the plot calls for sensor shenanigans, so Tom is at ops? Helm is a non-speaking extra.
Another episode, Tom is on the delta flyer and we need a helmsmen, so now its B'Elanna at the helm?

Maybe Janeway cutout everyone's tongue, except for the main crew.
Neelix is in SO many scenes that he shouldn't be. Any time Janeway and the senior staff are talking about the problem of the week in the staff room, he's there roughly half the time... He shouldn't be there ever. He's the cook. And he can barely even do that competently.
 
Neelix is in SO many scenes that he shouldn't be. Any time Janeway and the senior staff are talking about the problem of the week in the staff room, he's there roughly half the time... He shouldn't be there ever. He's the cook. And he can barely even do that competently.

He's the cook but also has a role similar to an Indian scout. "Angry tribe here, should go around." He's also necessary because Tom Paris is the only other normie-ish character, and the writers needed more than one guy in boardroom scenes to ask normie questions so that the audience is kept up to speed. "Quadrocytaline? What is that?"
 
He's the cook but also has a role similar to an Indian scout. "Angry tribe here, should go around." He's also necessary because Tom Paris is the only other normie-ish character, and the writers needed more than one guy in boardroom scenes to ask normie questions so that the audience is kept up to speed. "Quadrocytaline? What is that?"
For being a supposed normie, Tom Paris is the most competent member of the entire Voyager crew. He did everything, from piloting, to engineering, to medical. And a bunch of other things I'm probably forgetting. He literally designed the Delta Flyer by himself on a whim.
Neelix fucked up just about everything he ever tried to do, and he literally almost broke Voyager with bad cheese once. They are not the same.
 
For being a supposed normie, Tom Paris is the most competent member of the entire Voyager crew.
This really says something about late 2300s Starfleet.
Also you're forgetting about Janeway who's perfect and could easily double duty doing Tom's job(s) as well as hers at the same time while he's locked in the brig for kinda sorta having a personality, she just won't because it's beneath her.
 
For being a supposed normie, Tom Paris is the most competent member of the entire Voyager crew. He did everything, from piloting, to engineering, to medical. And a bunch of other things I'm probably forgetting. He literally designed the Delta Flyer by himself on a whim.
Neelix fucked up just about everything he ever tried to do, and he literally almost broke Voyager with bad cheese once. They are not the same.

I don't mean that he's stupid, but Trek always needs a guy to whom the other characters can explain the Treknobabble, and Tom is a boor whose expertise is very limited compared to the other senior officers, so he often pipes in with lines like "sounds like something Chakotay's people would call a delicacy!" The problem is that if he does it too often then people will start to think he is a retard, even if he does amazing feats ot piloting in other scenes. Neelix is a good alternate for that role because he's an outsider without a lot of scientific or technical knowledge other than basic ship maintenance and operation.
 
For being a supposed normie, Tom Paris is the most competent member of the entire Voyager crew. He did everything, from piloting, to engineering, to medical. And a bunch of other things I'm probably forgetting. He literally designed the Delta Flyer by himself on a whim.
He also created Ireland Simulator 2377, which isn't a point in his favor, but they did achieve self-awareness. And that was something he worked on in his spare time.
 
He also created Ireland Simulator 2377, which isn't a point in his favor, but they did achieve self-awareness. And that was something he worked on in his spare time.
Vic's on DS9 makes quite a contrast with holo-Ireland. You learned basically nothing new about the Voyager crew through those episodes aside from Janeway feeling lonely and horny.
 
I don't mean that he's stupid, but Trek always needs a guy to whom the other characters can explain the Treknobabble, and Tom is a boor whose expertise is very limited compared to the other senior officers, so he often pipes in with lines like "sounds like something Chakotay's people would call a delicacy!" The problem is that if he does it too often then people will start to think he is a retard, even if he does amazing feats ot piloting in other scenes. Neelix is a good alternate for that role because he's an outsider without a lot of scientific or technical knowledge other than basic ship maintenance and operation.
They could, and should, have made Paris the Han Solo of the ship. Shit hot pilot, can fly anything, good in a crisis, but NEVER looks before he leaps, pretty much only listens to orders when it suits him, and is really hot headed at times. Use him as the guy who doesn't understand the scientific concepts and the other characters need to explain it to him in words normal people can get. He isn't slow or anything, just he didn't go to any academy and isn't educated, but he's also the only one on the ship with any street smarts and put him in situations where that pays off too.

Neelix should have been like Hawkeye from the Last of the Mohican movie. He's their Indian guide and knows the original area of space Voyager is in like the back of his hand. He hangs around for some reason, but no one is quite sure why at first, but Voyager needs his knowledge. He has a problem though and that is eventually he wants to stay with the ship, but after about Season 2 he no longer knows that part of space and so he takes risks to get information and this sometimes puts him at odds with Janeway. Kes can be his adopted child, or the child of a friend he swore to look after or something. He isn't jealous of Paris, but knows his type.
 
So we're not disagreeing really, or at least not much. Loud and proud does not equal money.

I guess I was disagreeing with something you didn't even say.
Yeah. @JustSomeDong was saying the reddit faggots (reddiggots? Fagdits?) will buy a lot, but it's the equivalent of having 10 people give you $500 each vs a million people giving you $5.

Once upon a time there were a ton of Trek toys which you can find at a lot of second hand shops and cons.
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I even saw stuff plushies of Spock and 7 at a store as well as some hyper realistic statues on sale of the 90s era.

I very rarely see anything from the new stuff. Badgey from Lower Decks is literally the most I've seen. (Not counting funkos.)
 
They could, and should, have made Paris the Han Solo of the ship. Shit hot pilot, can fly anything, good in a crisis, but NEVER looks before he leaps, pretty much only listens to orders when it suits him, and is really hot headed at times. Use him as the guy who doesn't understand the scientific concepts and the other characters need to explain it to him in words normal people can get. He isn't slow or anything, just he didn't go to any academy and isn't educated, but he's also the only one on the ship with any street smarts and put him in situations where that pays off too.
Agreed. Unfortunately they completely de-toothed him a few seasons in. If I were feeling particularly cynical in a moment I'd say that it's probably because this Han Solo-esque position would put him at odds with Janeway and Janeway must always win.
 
Yeah. @JustSomeDong was saying the reddit faggots (reddiggots? Fagdits?) will buy a lot, but it's the equivalent of having 10 people give you $500 each vs a million people giving you $5.

Once upon a time there were a ton of Trek toys which you can find at a lot of second hand shops and cons.
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I even saw stuff plushies of Spock and 7 at a store as well as some hyper realistic statues on sale of the 90s era.

I very rarely see anything from the new stuff. Badgey from Lower Decks is literally the most I've seen. (Not counting funkos.)
The last time I remember seeing Trek toys (not just collector shit on a web storefront) is 2009 Trek movie merch in Big Lots, a few years after the film had aired. I bought a Spock, and on retrospect wish I still had it: it was scaled like GI Joes and had swappable hands and decent articulation.
 
For being a supposed normie, Tom Paris is the most competent member of the entire Voyager crew. He did everything, from piloting, to engineering, to medical. And a bunch of other things I'm probably forgetting. He literally designed the Delta Flyer by himself on a whim.
Neelix fucked up just about everything he ever tried to do, and he literally almost broke Voyager with bad cheese once. They are not the same.
He's also the one person in all of Star Trek that realized touch controls are fucking awful for controlling things.
 
He's also the one person in all of Star Trek that realized touch controls are fucking awful for controlling things.
Yes this is true, but I think that had more to do with Tom being a major "ancient" history nerd and wanting his ship to be more like something from his cheesy holo novels.
 
Yes this is true, but I think that had more to do with Tom being a major "ancient" history nerd and wanting his ship to be more like something from his cheesy holo novels.
It's too bad they never did a Top Gun style episode where he buzzes the bridge with the Delta Flyer making Janeway spill her coffee on herself. And with his "ancient" knowledge he should have suggested using firearms against Borg. Shields can't stop a .45 ACP. Two World Wars and Two Quadrants!
 
"But you remember one thing: you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo shuttle full of rubber horta shit out of Beta 12."
 
It's too bad they never did a Top Gun style episode where he buzzes the bridge with the Delta Flyer making Janeway spill her coffee on herself. And with his "ancient" knowledge he should have suggested using firearms against Borg. Shields can't stop a .45 ACP. Two World Wars and Two Quadrants!
Only person who knew the firearms and kinetic weapons will work on the Borg was Picard and literally everyone thought he's got sudden onset stark raving mad retarded. When he was telling the crew how to fight the borg using their phaser rifles as clubs in First Contact. Wouldn't be years later until the more attentive trekkies and Star Trek fans realized Picard was right on how to fight them.
 
Only person who knew the firearms and kinetic weapons will work on the Borg was Picard and literally everyone thought he's got sudden onset stark raving mad retarded. When he was telling the crew how to fight the borg using their phaser rifles as clubs in First Contact. Wouldn't be years later until the more attentive trekkies and Star Trek fans realized Picard was right on how to fight them.
When the average Borg drone is strong and impact resistant enough to reasonably fight The Rock, Lt Hawk using the butt of his rifle isn't going to do much. Before you say Worf and his sword, remember that Worf is in the gym every day or on the holodeck playing He-Man with the safety turned off.
 
When the average Borg drone is strong and impact resistant enough to reasonably fight The Rock, Lt Hawk using the butt of his rifle isn't going to do much. Before you say Worf and his sword, remember that Worf is in the gym every day or on the holodeck playing He-Man with the safety turned off.
Normally and ideally would be to put as much space between themselves and borg while engaging them. However given the situation at hand there is no more space and the borg have to be stop right there or else it's game over for humanity and the Federation.

Tommy Guns should be standard issue.
In STO it and Zefram Cochrane's shotgun functionally are standard pick up for nearly all players against the borg. Except against the Mirror Universe borg who are all wearing mostly impervious body armor to projectile weapons.. In which elemental type weapons are needed to either freeze them or fry them.
 
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Normally and ideally would be to put as much space between themselves and borg while engaging them. However given the situation at hand there is no more space and the borg have to be stop right there or else it's game over for humanity and the Federation.
That doesn't change the physical fact that Borg are stronger than humans. Basically anyone who isn't Worf gets thrown on their ass every time they try to melee a Borg drone.
 
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