Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[ZMOT]

Not sure if it had been established prior that Vulcans don't sweat but it's a nice touch. I wonder what a Vulcan's body temperature is.

iirc vulcans are also above humans physically (can't remember if it was shown in ENT), it might have simply not stressed her.

 

[The Gene Genie]

iirc vulcans are also above humans physically (can't remember if it was shown in ENT), it might have simply not stressed her.

Pretty much every time Spock fights any human in TOS, he trounces them and tosses them around like ragdolls.

 

[newuser131]

The only interesting things were the Borg episode

a pet peeve of mine is the over use of the borg and recon of the borg. they are supposed to encounter the federation during tng. but now it turns out the borg encountered the federation during voy and ent.

this was the one episode of ent that i real did not like because of how easy the ent crew beat the two borg drones. the borg overwhelms 24th century federation, so i find it hard to believe 22nd century starfleet can dispatch the drones so easy.

 

[Ultra Ping]

a pet peeve of mine is the over use of the borg and recon of the borg. they are supposed to encounter the federation during tng. but now it turns out the borg encountered the federation during voy and ent.

this was the one episode of ent that i real did not like because of how easy the ent crew beat the two borg drones. the borg overwhelms 24th century federation, so i find it hard to believe 22nd century starfleet can dispatch the drones so easy.

Just like Spock, the overuse of the Borg has rendered a once terrifying foe into... whatever the fuck that was in Picard S2

 

[Cnut]

vulcans are also above humans physically

Spock fights any human in TOS

Im pretty sure in Journey to Babel (of course not ENT) it is mentioned how Vulcans are super strong, as a theory of how Sarek could have killed the Andorian diplomat. It's been a while since I've seen it though. And while Spock could kick ass, once the nerve pinch was established, that was usually his only move.

borg drones

That episode sucks because it shows Enterprise is in time loop / retcon land. Plus it just sucks anyway for many other reasons, such as creative malaise and lack of entertainment.

 

[ZMOT]

but now it turns out the borg encountered the federation during voy and ent.

VOY is set after TNG, and they were flying around in their backyard.
the borgs in ENT are the ones from first contact iirc, so technically from the future too.

 

[indomitable snowman]

Regeneration does have a major plothole
Why didn't the federation ever try and use Omicron radiation since the nanoprobes are susceptible to it. It seems like something the federation would have discovered that treatment for assimilation.

VOY is set after TNG, and they were flying around in their backyard.

Timeline is weird with 7of9 and her parents. They would have been following the Borg about 10-20 years before Q Who.

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

George Takei has always been a whiner. He's become insufferable on social media.

Getting their asses kissed by trekkies at conventions throughout the 70s gave the day players unwarrantedly large egos.

 

[los pepes]

Rewatching ST: Enterprise after its original run, I have new appreciation for Jolene Blalock & T'Pol. Sure she's hot, but she did that turbulence-just-below-surface thing well too.

I'll never understand the hate Enterprise got. I liked it when it was fresh & like it even more today, might be my second favorite Trek series.

Hard disagree. She ended up being a likable enough character, but she was a bad Vulcan. She ended up just appearing annoyed/angry/brooding all the time. I think Tuvok was by far the best "modern" if you want to call 90s Trek that Vulcan. Even when he was annoyed he did not show it, instead he appeared almost perplexed or curious, but you also understood when he was working hard to suppress his emotions at times as well, especially dealing with Neelix. I still laugh at his response when Neelix shoved some stuffed carcass or something in his face: "Mr Neelix, you are an unending source of astonishment." but said in such an emotionally neutral way that Neelix took it as a compliment. That's what Vulcans are to me.

It's easy to play a Vulcan as just an arrogant standoffish asshole. It's hard to play one as completely approachable and even friendly in their own unique but emotionally unavailable way. I can think of many 3 or 4 that managed to pull it off.

 

[Overly Serious]

The Mirror Universe two-parter was kino.

And so many midriffs.

The mirror universe is totalitarian, cruel and filled with backstabbing and hardship... but it does have far sexier universe and more catfights.

I also love the little throwaway line from Phlox who has been comparing differences between literature in both universes and noting the differences, except for Shakespeare which is the same in both. In fact, I really like that aspect of the Mirror universe in that it's not a world where good guys are all evil and bad guys are all good. It's a complex and darker take on things but for example T'pol is good in both. This was beautifully lampshaded in DS9 with Rom listing out "but if the Major is bad, then Garak should be good but Garak is bad so..." throughout the episode.

Between contracting space AIDS from mind rape, having her people turn her back on her, getting addicted to Trellium-d, having her mom killed by rogue governmental forces, star-crossed relationship with Trip, a sick halfbreed clone baby etc... Well, T'Pol took it quite stoically. I thought Blalock's acting was poor at first but she quickly got in the groove and by the end I liked her a lot & thought she was one of the best matches for actor/character in Enterprise. She starts to do this quiet seething thing where she stands still but her body is heaving like she can barely control her emotions.

When I first saw T'Pol I liked her characterisation of Vulcan behaviour but as the series went on I started to feel a little like maybe she was losing sight of how the lack of emotions was supposed to work. Only to have the rug pulled by the reveal of her sickness and that she was supposed to be losing control. Something which she played very well, imo.

I thought she did a great job, imo.

Vulcans are bad ass motherfuckers that need a crazy logic cult just to keep themselves in check. You made me realize just how good her "in the trenches" Vulcan representation was. Need more of that and less of the haughty council or half breed crying Vulcans. Make Vulcans Great Again

I like this view. And again, Enterprise handled this correctly with T'pol talking to Tripp about how it wasn't that they didn't have emotions but that they couldn't allow emotions. Funnily enough the biggest weakness to the Vulcan obsession with Logic > Emotion, is the Romulans. If there's any truth to the Vulcan view of logic and emotions for their species then the Romulans should be wildly emotional and prone to rage, love, passion on a scale that would make your average Klingon look like Lt. Data. But they're not. They're a bit back-stabby but otherwise just smug humans.

If you want to make the Vulcan logic-cult make sense, it's the Romulans that need to change. As stands, it makes the Logic obsession look like an actual mad cult based on a lie.

Hard disagree. She ended up being a likable enough character, but she was a bad Vulcan. She ended up just appearing annoyed/angry/brooding all the time.

I think Tuvok was by far the best "modern" if you want to call 90s Trek that Vulcan. Even when he was annoyed he did not show it, instead he appeared almost perplexed or curious, but you also understood when he was working hard to suppress his emotions at times as well, especially dealing with Neelix.

Almost at all times...

But on the subject of T'pol I thought she was an excellent Vulcan. I mean even before all the madness set in when she was supposed to be a model. We got the slightly suppressed condescension (the hardest of all emotions for Vulcans to suppress it seems), but she was also diligent and helpful and proactive. And after a year with the human crew even told a joke once, kind of, in a weird understated Vulcan way. I'm thinking the episode where she tells the story of the "real" first contact between Vulcans and Humans over dinner with Tripp and Archer. Ending the whole thing with "you asked me to tell you a story". And Archer and Tripp dumbfounded and laughing and saying "she played us".

I thought both she and Tuvok's actor did a great job of conveying they have emotions but renounce those emotions.

It's easy to play a Vulcan as just an arrogant standoffish asshole. It's hard to play one as completely approachable and even friendly in their own unique but emotionally unavailable way. I can think of many 3 or 4 that managed to pull it off.

I agree. But I think Jolene Blalock pulled that off.

 

[JustSomeDong]

She ended up just appearing annoyed/angry/brooding all the time.

I agree, but like said above, Resting BitchTrellium-D Face, so it made sense for her character, even if we didn't know that yet.

 

[Cnut]

it's the Romulans that need to change

Suppose the Romulans developed their controlled society as a response to all the unbridled emotions?

 

[ZMOT]

It's easy to play a Vulcan as just an arrogant standoffish asshole. It's hard to play one as completely approachable and even friendly in their own unique but emotionally unavailable way. I can think of many 3 or 4 that managed to pull it off.

tuvok and vulcans at that point have been around humans for a while, by ENT it was all new. if they were approachable and friendly from the start it would look much different later. you can also blame a bit on bad humanocentric writing, after thousands of years it was finally the humans that makes vulcans chill or something.

also bitches be seething.

 

[Flexo]

Suppose the Romulans developed their controlled society as a response to all the unbridled emotions?

As a romulan fan, that's my view.

Ironically it seems while vulcans control their emotions with logic, the Romulans control theirs with paranoia.

 

[UnKillFill]

Im pretty sure in Journey to Babel (of course not ENT) it is mentioned how Vulcans are super strong, as a theory of how Sarek could have killed the Andorian diplomat. It's been a while since I've seen it though. And while Spock could kick ass, once the nerve pinch was established, that was usually his only move.

I mean, if you have a move that can instantly incapacite most people you come across, leaving little if any lasting damage and with minimal effort on your part, it would only be logical to use such a move every time.

Hard disagree. She ended up being a likable enough character, but she was a bad Vulcan. She ended up just appearing annoyed/angry/brooding all the time. I think Tuvok was by far the best "modern" if you want to call 90s Trek that Vulcan. Even when he was annoyed he did not show it, instead he appeared almost perplexed or curious, but you also understood when he was working hard to suppress his emotions at times as well, especially dealing with Neelix. I still laugh at his response when Neelix shoved some stuffed carcass or something in his face: "Mr Neelix, you are an unending source of astonishment." but said in such an emotionally neutral way that Neelix took it as a compliment. That's what Vulcans are to me.

It's easy to play a Vulcan as just an arrogant standoffish asshole. It's hard to play one as completely approachable and even friendly in their own unique but emotionally unavailable way. I can think of many 3 or 4 that managed to pull it off.

Tim Russ is a really good actor.... Even if TDS almost made him drink bleach.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

If humans have iron based blood and Vulcans have copper based blood what blood does Spock have?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Pretty much every time Spock fights any human in TOS, he trounces them and tosses them around like ragdolls.

And who can forget this classic?

Timeline is weird with 7of9 and her parents. They would have been following the Borg about 10-20 years before Q Who.

Pretty sure they force-aged her. Her parents were likely following the Borg around the same time as the colonies along the Romulan neutral zone were being scooped up.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Pretty sure the reason why there was so much cosmic radiation obscuring radio signals in the Earth Romulan war was because President Archer ordered all ships to be armed with nukes as the weapon of first resort.

Earth and Romulaus had to use nukes, as neither of them did not have photon and plasma torpedos until well after the war was over. As conventional chemical energy explosives like TNT just isn't going to cut it in space warfare.
FFS the TOS Enterprise was still armed with Lasers til iirc mid way through season 1 when they were replaced with phasers.

 

[indomitable snowman]

If humans have iron based blood and Vulcans have copper based blood what blood does Spock have?

McCoy refers to Spocks green blood often. Sounds like he has copper hemocyanin not iron hemoglobin.

 

[Overly Serious]

Suppose the Romulans developed their controlled society as a response to all the unbridled emotions?

Can you really build a controlled society out of uncontrolled people? Regardless, what I've seen of the Romulans is that they behave plenty logically and don't at all seem to be at the mercy of wildly powerful emotions. They're just a bit smug and backstabby. Which is a matter of ethics rather than self-control.

No, I still feel that the existence of emotionally stable and calm Romulans (nearly all I see) turns the whole Vulcan logic thing into a cult belief without much foundation. Romulans do fine but are the same species.

If humans have iron based blood and Vulcans have copper based blood what blood does Spock have?

Well he has green blood so presumably the same as fully Vulcan individuals. Though copper-based blood would probably be blue, not green fwiw. Horseshoe crabs have copper-based blood (it gets more efficient at different pressures) and their blood is blue.