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Even in dire situations, it always felt like Picard had an "above it all" attitude.
To me, The Pegasus is Picard at his absolute worst in this regard: decloaking the ENT and causing a major diplomatic incident when he had no reason to do so, while simultaneously acting all self-righteous towards Riker for fucking up a decade prior.
 
To me, The Pegasus is Picard at his absolute worst in this regard: decloaking the ENT and causing a major diplomatic incident when he had no reason to do so, while simultaneously acting all self-righteous towards Riker for fucking up a decade prior.
TBF, that cloak was risky as fuck because using it for too long could blow up the power supply.
 
To me, The Pegasus is Picard at his absolute worst in this regard: decloaking the ENT and causing a major diplomatic incident when he had no reason to do so, while simultaneously acting all self-righteous towards Riker for fucking up a decade prior.
Well Troi and Rikerdid sneak off to the holodeck for a couple of days in the middle of a crises to netflix and chill (and gorge on triple chocolate fudge sundaes)

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Well Troi and Rikerdid sneak off to the holodeck for a couple of days in the middle of a crises to netflix and chill (and gorge on triple chocolate fudge sundaes)

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It was absolutely bizarre why they wrote these characters in the way that they did. First, they pick a TNG season instead of a post Nemesis time, which requires recreating a TNG set, finding Sirtis a proper wig, and finding TNG-era uniforms when it's been about ten years later IRL. Had they picked a post Nemesis timeline, they could have just redressed an ENT set for the Titan setting. Then, they pick Pegasus of all episodes where Riker in particular is in a high-stress situation caused by divided loyalties and would not be dicking around on the holodeck. Thirdly, watching Archer's inauguration isn't really inspiration to violate a lawfully given gag order. Remember that Picard didn't have the legal right to find classified documents, but called a bunch of personal favors to do so. Thus Riker was legally correct to not reveal information without Pressman's authorization.
 
It was absolutely bizarre why they wrote these characters in the way that they did. First, they pick a TNG season instead of a post Nemesis time, which requires recreating a TNG set
Poorly, I might add.
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For those who weren't around at the time, people were pissed at this episode, and only got even more upset when Rick Berman basically said, "The fuck is wrong with you people? This was our 'love letter' to fans!".

That episode basically throwing away all of the goodwill that the series had built up over the last two seasons was (in my opinion) a large factor in killing the franchise for a while.

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To me, The Pegasus is Picard at his absolute worst in this regard: decloaking the ENT and causing a major diplomatic incident when he had no reason to do so, while simultaneously acting all self-righteous towards Riker for fucking up a decade prior.
Picard's career should have come to a screeching halt over that. Even if it was against Picard's sensibilities, and possibly against the law (treaty and all), the project had been approved by TPTB. There was a reason someone well above Picard's paygrade wanted a cloaking devise and it was not up to Picard to unilaterally tell the Romulans about it, especially after the Romulans attacked the Enterprise (melted an asteroid around them so they would die counts in my book). As soon as his report was written he should have been relieved of his command and quietly retired and told to shut up, he's done enough damage to the Federation, and if he so much as gets a parking ticket in the future he can expect to die in prison.

Riker was in the right to say "sir, it's classified, you're not read into the program, I can't tell you about it or I get court martialed, go ask Admiral Pressman" and that should have been enough to tell Picard that it's well above Riker. And Riker was still just a barely commissioned ensign at the time. He even says his head was still full of pithy sayings and told to trust his CO and all of that. And I'm quite certain as soon as the Pegasus crew got back they were told in no uncertain terms to NEVER mention this project to anyone and the expectation was they wouldn't because A) Federation military secrets were at stake and B) people like Picard who are holier-than-thou exist.

Of course, TNG changed it's direction on the Federation's military past more than once. In S2 with Peak Performance Pikar and Riker have to all but be forced into war games because they think exploration and diplomacy are Starfleet's mission and no one's really gone to war in so long that they don't see the point. Later on, there's various wars the Federation have been in that are mentioned like one with the Cardassians, the one with the Tzenkethi, any number of past brushfire wars and border conflicts, etc. And for an organization that seems to moved past war, their ships seem very well armed.
 
Of course, TNG changed it's direction on the Federation's military past more than once. In S2 with Peak Performance Pikar and Riker have to all but be forced into war games because they think exploration and diplomacy are Starfleet's mission and no one's really gone to war in so long that they don't see the point. Later on, there's various wars the Federation have been in that are mentioned like one with the Cardassians, the one with the Tzenkethi, any number of past brushfire wars and border conflicts, etc. And for an organization that seems to moved past war, their ships seem very well armed.
My feeling, which is admittedly headcanon, is that the more “military”-inclined line officers get sent to captain the combatant vessels involved actively in the border wars during this time period while guys like Picard, who have no real temperament to engage in warfare, are put into roles more fitting the exploratory and diplomatic role of Starfleet. I imagine that there are more than enough ships and officers in Starfleet by TNG’s time that these two career paths can exist without ever really overlapping.

Those border wars are effectively low-level engagements to Starfleet, and it’s not like every ship has to be involved in it like the wars with the Klingons a century earlier or the Dominion War later on. They’re not existential threats so it’s not necessary to go full-out.
 
My feeling, which is admittedly headcanon, is that the more “military”-inclined line officers get sent to captain the combatant vessels involved actively in the border wars during this time period while guys like Picard, who have no real temperament to engage in warfare, are put into roles more fitting the exploratory and diplomatic role of Starfleet. I imagine that there are more than enough ships and officers in Starfleet by TNG’s time that these two career paths can exist without ever really overlapping.

Those border wars are effectively low-level engagements to Starfleet, and it’s not like every ship has to be involved in it like the wars with the Klingons a century earlier or the Dominion War later on. They’re not existential threats so it’s not necessary to go full-out.
I can see that, but at the same time it just seems odd to me that Starfleet would even go to the bother of using a shell of a ship (USS Hathaway) to use in a wargame against the flagship of the Federation when you have Picard saying stuff like "we need to practice battles again because it's been so long since we've had to" and then having someone like Maxwell going on about this bloody war against the Cardassians. And why bother doing any of it when the crews could just holodeck the bridge (or engineering or sickbay or wherever) and do wargames or other training there? We should have seen crewmembers using the holodeck to train for a mission so much that they can't get it wrong the same way NASA used simulators on their Mercury/Gemini/Apollo crews over and over and over again.

I also realize the real world part about the writers changing, Roddenberry's utopia vision being moved to the side in favor of making the background for DS9, Berman disregarding Roddenberry as much as he could once he was gone, the audience wanting more battles, the writers not thinking through their scenarios, etc. I get it.
 
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And for an organization that seems to moved past war, their ships seem very well armed.
For most irl naval history and especially in the Age of Sail the ships used for exploration and diplomacy were usually armed military ships. As the natives would be less inclined to oogle-bonga the explorers and/or diplomats if the probability of success is dramatically cut down by the volume of lead and/or steel fired at them. The Federation ship design philosophy still followed that line of thinking, albeit with phasers and photon torpedos, prior to Battle of Wolf 359.
 
@William Murderface For most irl naval history and especially in the Age of Sail the ships used for exploration and diplomacy were usually armed military ships. As the natives would be less inclined to oogle-bonga the explorers and/or diplomats if the probability of success is dramatically cut down by the volume of lead and/or steel fired at them. The Federation ship design philosophy still followed that line of thinking, albeit with phasers and photon torpedos, prior to Battle of Wolf 359.
It's an honorable tradition.
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Also I think folks are reading too much into TNG stories

The cannon has always been somewhat flexible to the needs of the story. Sometimes the Federation been at peace for a century or more but if the writers need they just pull some small conflict out of their ass to justify whatever.

From my understanding that episode it was more to test Riker (yet again) for command then for Picard to brush up on his tactics and since the Borg were now known to be out there Starfleet wanted to start getting Star Fleet more combat ready. But both make sense to me.

I did love the Kolrami character btw, he was so awesomely smug and arrogant to a level which few actors can pull off but Brocksmith pulled it off perfectly.

I mean a empire as big as the Federation would probably have tonnes of small brush wars with minor empires they encounter so keeping armed navy ships as your primary explorers does make sense but remember Berman's Prime Directive (non the show one) that the story is always more important then the lore.

Roddenberry was the vision and the dreamer but the best thing to happen to Trek was Paramount pushing him to the side as he seemed to get more and more wacky (and sexual) as time went one. Thank God they didn't allow him to direct Wrath or who knows what we would have gotten. I still cringe when I think about that sex ghost episode with McFadden.
 
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Those border wars are effectively low-level engagements to Starfleet, and it’s not like every ship has to be involved in it like the wars with the Klingons a century earlier or the Dominion War later on. They’re not existential threats so it’s not necessary to go full-out.
The Galaxy-class can be outfitted into one mean motherfucker once you get rid of all the civilians and supporting infrastructure or at least thats my head canon.
 
So yah I get why Nimoy and Shatner were pissy at first and I don't really hold it against them, they came around in time and help to make the fandom what it is today...whether for better or for worse depends on your opinion. But I'm a Kelly simp. He's just such a soild, all round nice guy that it's difficult not to like him.
Also, Shatner got roles after Trek. Weirdly, as lawyers, like in Matlock and Boston Legal. And his role in Boston Legal was possibly his best acting role.

Arguably, his role as Denny Crane was basically Captain Kirk as he would have been in real life. An absolutely demented egomaniac. A guy who routinely shouted his own name. And yet very sympathetic at the same time. Not above cheating.

Except at that point in his life, Shatner was finally in on the joke.

Sort of like he was on the Has Been album he did with Ben Folds.

Where he did a cover of "Common People" by Pulp that is actually way better than the original.

Not doing a link because JewTube is back to its "sign in to prove you're not a bot" shit. Not linking to that garbage.
 
Also, Shatner got roles after Trek. Weirdly, as lawyers, like in Matlock and Boston Legal. And his role in Boston Legal was possibly his best acting role.

Arguably, his role as Denny Crane was basically Captain Kirk as he would have been in real life. An absolutely demented egomaniac. A guy who routinely shouted his own name. And yet very sympathetic at the same time. Not above cheating.

Except at that point in his life, Shatner was finally in on the joke.

Sort of like he was on the Has Been album he did with Ben Folds.

Where he did a cover of "Common People" by Pulp that is actually way better than the original.

Not doing a link because JewTube is back to its "sign in to prove you're not a bot" shit. Not linking to that garbage.
Shatner peaked with this. It's been downhill ever since.

As for Nimoy....
 
I still cringe when I think about that sex ghost episode with McFadden.
That was from season 7, so that wasn't Roddenberry's fault since he was dead for years at that point. Blame that on late TNG starting to run out of ideas and filming whatever came to mind. Roddenberry was definitely a weird sex pervert, but you can't blame all the weird sex perversion in Trek on him.
 
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