Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Cubanodun]

Well, fuck it:
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I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU! HOW DARE YOU!!!

The best part is that they refuse to show the BLM protest and after the second coming of orange man this happen in the timeline (and is not in Picard but in Strange new worlds)



I just hope that city is California or Portland

 

[DavidS877]

After watching SNW I have to ask, has anyone ever looked at the ergonomics on these ships. You've got screens surrounded by bright white light bars, as someone who stares at screens for a living that would be horrible. During red alert they apparently raided an LED strip factory and stuck them absolutely everywhere.

 

[Ike Aim]

[Strange New Worlds] was interesting, but it had a eye-rolling libshit scene. The civil war 2 brought to you by January 6.

Everything mainstream is going to have shit like that in it now, by hook or by crook, for the foreseeable future. No way around it. For whatever reason, they chose to shove their wokeshit in places where it could be ignored or outright dismissed, sort of like it was in The Batman. So far, it's not baked into the characterizations or the plot or tone in any meaningful way. It's not shoved in your face constantly. That could change, though. This could be bait or it could be a course correction.

I relaize the old fuck is deliberately giving us a offer performance in Picard to lecture us.

If you're referring to Patrick Stewart, yeah. He's essentially not acting at all in Picard. He's said as much. He's "himself". He sees no distinction between the character of Picard and himself. The stated reason for this is that he blames the character of Picard and TNG as a whole for ruining his marriage. It's incredibly, colossally selfish given how iconic and beloved the character was. Everything that was central to who Captain Picard was is gone, replaced by one great big humble apology tour with a punishing resentment towards the character of Jean Luc Picard. He goes into his feelings about the character in Shatner's documentary The Captains and you can find his comments about Picard in other more recent interviews.

Whats most interesting about the documentary to me is that Patrick Stewart conducts himself much more like Picard when being interviewed by Shatner than he ever does while playing Picard on his nuTrek show. Too lazy to find the exact timestamp. The entire documentary is worth watching:

The Captains

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

After watching SNW I have to ask, has anyone ever looked at the ergonomics on these ships. You've got screens surrounded by bright white light bars, as someone who stares at screens for a living that would be horrible. During red alert they apparently raided an LED strip factory and stuck them absolutely everywhere.

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This is a setting where they store fireworks inside the control panels and the Xbox has a high kill count than your average Terminator.

 

[DavidS877]

I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU! HOW DARE YOU!!!

All they had to do was use WW2 instead, all the destruction leading up to and then the dropping atomic bombs and it would have had the same impact on the culture they were trying to sway.

I'm pretty sure one of the videos they used showing a city destroyed they switched from CGI to stock footage of one of the atomic bomb tests anyway.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Something I find interesting is the fact that it use to be you could find books based on the show practically everywhere, from B & N , to WalMart & Krogers.

Now it's either special order or the rare copy B & N have.

Also fuck paying $16 US for a paperback.

 

[Ike Aim]

Something I find interesting is the fact that it use to be you could find books based on the show practically everywhere, from B & N , to WalMart & Krogers.

Now it's either special order or the rare copy B & N have.

One of the lead writers for Picard is a former Voyager novelist, Kristen Beyer or whatever her name is. She's also the only one in the writer's room with any Star Trek credibility (which isn't much). It seemed like they were going pretty heavy into comics to bridge some of the gaps and fill-in plot holes but then they contradicted themselves with "Captain Data" in the Countdown comic series and the Picard series and the whole thing became a clusterfuck that no one was reading anyway so I think the "extended universe" for nuTrek is all but abandoned.

 

[Kerr Avon]

One of the lead writers for Picard is a former Voyager novelist, Kristen Beyer or whatever her name is. She's also the only one in the writer's room with any Star Trek credibility (which isn't much). It seemed like they were going pretty heavy into comics to bridge some of the gaps and fill-in plot holes but then they contradicted themselves with "Captain Data" in the Countdown comic series and the Picard series and the whole thing became a clusterfuck that no one was reading anyway so I think the "extended universe" for nuTrek is all but abandoned.

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Yeah I know the EU is for shit.

They did a trilogy last year that erased and reset the novel verse. Literally ended with Picard alone and nuts in an old folks home.

Beyer has her yeast infection stained fingers in every nook and cranny of the current Trek stuff. She's forever seething her pitches for Voyager back in the day got rejected.

If they could bin her and Chabon it would have a chance of improving.

It is surreal seeing the Mego Trek stuff warming pegs again tho.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

After watching SNW I have to ask, has anyone ever looked at the ergonomics on these ships. You've got screens surrounded by bright white light bars, as someone who stares at screens for a living that would be horrible. During red alert they apparently raided an LED strip factory and stuck them absolutely everywhere.

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It's because it's meant to look "modern" and futurist. It looks like a Chinese restaurant.

All they needed to do was to modernise a bit the bridge of the original Enterprise. Although, imo, they should have kept it as it was (with very minor adjustments) because Kirk time was about +50 years before TNG. It should look outdated. These sets are for themselves, not for the fans, obviously.

 

[Flexo]

Beyer has her yeast infection stained fingers in every nook and cranny of the current Trek stuff. She's forever seething her pitches for Voyager back in the day got rejected.

If they could bin her and Chabon it would have a chance of improving.

*clicks "I would like to know more" button*

Especially because I remember reading the novels when they were good. Michael Jan Friedman was a favorite back in the day.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Brave new world was interesting, but it had a eye-rolling libshit scene. The civil war 2 brought to you by January 6.

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I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU! HOW DARE YOU!!!

As I said in my own post earlier, this is the bit which is too on the nose and simply resulted in me snickering a little at it before moving on. It serves the point in that Rodenberry-was-just-a-commie kind of way so of course they'd use shitty Jan 6th footage. It could indeed be seen as a turning point and the actual message in the Pike Monologue is pretty well done (albeit almost quaint in its OTT 60s style moralising) in that it states both sides act shitty and tie themselves to ideological flags which lead to WW3.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

If you're referring to Patrick Stewart, yeah. He's essentially not acting at all in Picard. He's said as much. He's "himself". He sees no distinction between the character of Picard and himself. The stated reason for this is that he blames the character of Picard and TNG as a whole for ruining his marriage. It's incredibly, colossally selfish given how iconic and beloved the character was. Everything that was central to who Captain Picard was is gone, replaced by one great big humble apology tour with a punishing resentment towards the character of Jean Luc Picard. He goes into his feelings about the character in Shatner's documentary The Captains and you can find his comments about Picard in other more recent interviews.

I dont get the love people have to Stuart or Picard, Stuart has always been and will always be a self absorbed poser who only took the Roll of Picard as a quick pay check who avoided any and all Trek fan conventions unless he was shilling his roll in the films.

Stuart himself hates Picard, he views himself as beyond a mere captain on a sci-fi TV show and hates that is his defining roll, he would much rather be known as the guy who played Orthello or King Lear than that (also before Trek as a stage actor he was considerd OK but not great as a stage actor, that changed after TNG mostly because he had the reputation from TNG) , he's a stuck up arrogant cunt who hates that he will always be known as Captain Picard, and resisted playing the roll again until his far far younger wife insisted that he repise the roll when they drove a van load of cash upto his house and wrote in anything he wanted into the script that's why you have a lot of Staffy and Bull terriers in the show he like penis compensation dog's.

Also I just want to bring this up -

Red Dwarf had been on TV for 2 years and 6 months before TNG aired in the UK and was in pre production since 1982, before TNG even got a production crew behind it to rework Trek phase 2 into something else, and by that point TNG was only airing on the BBC and wasn't considered much to go by when it came to numbers on Sunday morning repeats Dr.Who (the classic one) got more views on average.

The only thing that really saved it was that it was broadcast in the late afternoon early evening 5pm slot so it was before the news and more importantly for what the BBC viewed as Treks primary demographic Teenage - mid 20's boys was put on before Buffy the vampire slayer.

Trek is a cultural phenomenon, it really is but it's not as die hard or a sure thing in markets outside the USA where it was / is mostly written to appeal to and only really got popular in Syndication as cheap shovelware programming that catered to a underserved market. I dont consider myself a Trekky by any strech I've seen every episode and film multiple times and read a lot of the books but and this is important to note - was the only sci-fi TV show that was commonly accessible to kids and young adults in the 90's there was little or nothing else that was on that would scratch that itch - thus it got it's viewer base.

Something I find interesting is the fact that it use to be you could find books based on the show practically everywhere, from B & N , to WalMart & Krogers.

Now it's either special order or the rare copy B & N have.

Also fuck paying $16 US for a paperback.

I used to get given them all the time, and I would see them all over the place even Sainsburys and Asda used to sell them normally at a marked down price. Now even in Second hand shops or in various high street book shops it's hard to see them in the limited sci-fi offerings they have. Your more likely to find Dr Who and the Expanse than you are Trek.

Literally ended with Picard alone and nuts in an old folks home.

That should have been how it ended, Picard was confirmed on multiple occasions to be suffering from a degenerative condition given the multiple serious trauma's he had such as assimilation, torture and living a whole lifetime in a few hours that should have hastened the onset of any medical condition, let alone have him removed from command multiple times over.

 

[Allanon]

@Allanon

I always liked Bashir even early on because it seemed to clear to me that he was intended to be an almost archetypical out-of-touch physician/ivory tower academic type who had coasted by in upper circles on his smarts and charm but when thrown into the situation on the station, was challenged by virtually every one he came in contact with because this shit ain't San Francisco yo.

It's why him and O'Brien were best buds and worked so well together as they were polar opposites in terms of philosophies and methods. Didn't hurt that both actors were and are top-notch and just nailed their characters every time. My only criticism is that the rug-pull about him being a genetically-engineered superman felt silly and kind of jarring when you think about previous situations he went through and even later ones too.

I think that's what Bashir was meant to be seen as, to be fair. He just came off as really...weird. A little arrogant and smarmy, not punished enough for his poor choices, weird "failings" like getting one question wrong on his final, and his constant simping for Jadzia. He was very divisive up until the retcon. I think people just really liked how it all accidentally lined up with unintentional foreshadowing, and informed some of of his weirder choices with 'he's pretending to be normal but failing at it'. Amusingly on the subject of 'this was an accident', the original ending of the episode would have been to make the doctor hide the information so only Bashir and O'Brien would ever know, but Siddig refused to do that, because he said it would annoy audiences and it would drive him crazy trying to act with consideration of the 'secret' but always conveniently doing things to keep the rest of the crew unaware.

Basically originally they were going to do the cool genetically engineered episode (because they just wanted to give him a dark secret of some sort) and then they planned to continue the story back at status quo again with only the occasional reference or nod to it.

I actually lost a ton of respect for Ira Steven Behr when he started claiming Garak and Bashir were supposed to be gay but UPN wouldn't let him do it. 1, because that's clearly a bullshit fan theory invented by fujoshits, and 2, it takes away from one of the best friendships in the series.

Side note: it's interesting how Bashir eventually became a bromance vehicle once the writers realized making his sole personality trait simping over Jadzia wasn't really doing much to make the character popular.

I disagree with the theories that Garak was gay and obviously the idea that Garak and Bashir were supposed to be gay is absurd. Bashir is a lady hound constantly, Garak's whole thing is that you can never trust when he's telling the truth, even when there's no reason for him to lie. More importantly, when writing like that is present and then suppressed or nixed, especially in a running series, you can spot the remnants of that set up - for instance in season 9 of SG-1 they originally planned for a romance with Cameron Mitchell and the new female doctor, but nixed it about halfway into the season (they struggled with his character for a bit and didn't settle on something consistent until near the end of s9) - if you watch the episodes in question closely you'll find some random scenes like Mitchell's shirt being buttoned wrong (and this being pointed out) after coming out of the elevator with the doctor, and weird face touching and longing looks between them. That's not the case with Garak and Bashir. The closest you can get is what people have pointed out where Garak's behavior could potentially be interpreted as flirtatious toward Julian. There doesn't seem to be any reciprocation, though, so I really don't think it's the case. It's more likely just meant to show Garak being overly friendly because he's faking his friendliness.

I could believe the idea that Garak thought Bashir was gay and was flirting with him because he thought that was the way to get a good 'in' with the command staff, but only as an in-universe explanation. No way was that the line of thought in the writer's room. IMO at most what happened is that at some point in the show, probably after Jadzia married Worf and Julian had no one to simp for, the idea briefly came up in the writer's room like 'what if Bashir gets a rebound crush on Garak?' and they immediately dismissed the idea with something along the lines of 'nah, UPN wouldn't go for it anyway'. I can actually believe that simply because they already had Dukat lusting after Kira, so flipping it around and having some person interested in a Cardassian who only wants to be friends would in theory provide some good character material and 'explore the Cardassians more' stuff. But that is being maximally generous to Ira.

I've always thought that fan theiory was stupid, but I've always thought that if Garrack thought it was for the best for Cardasia he would take it up the pooper or go to brown town if needed, but he and Bashir was always a very friendly relationship and nothing more just one based on a mutual affection for one another nothing more.

As far as I am aware the only Gay relationship ever knocked back or even proposed pre new trek was supposedly 7 and Janeway but the Studio didn't like it, the idea didn't test well with non hardcore fans and the Actresses hated each other to the point Jerry Ryan said she would walk off set and never come back just of normal interaction let alone a romance arc.

Garak would do anything for the good of Cardassia. There's no question that he'd do the gay stuff, the kinky stuff, and the furry-scalie stuff if he had to. I find it really hard to believe that Seven/Janeway was ever a thing planned either, though. Janeway and Chakotay was always their on-and-off toy for the captain, and Seven was basically whored out to the whole crew depending on the writer. Considering they barely even had a relationship in the first place (Because Kate and Jeri hated each other) it seems hard to believe they'd shift from wanting the motherly role to a romance between them.

DS9 is filled with awesome bromances. Quark and Odo, Nog and Jake, Worf and O'Brien has some good moments too.

I hate that anything made before 2000 that has strong male friendships means gay. It's dumb as shit.

DS9 had the best character development, therefore relationships, and thus bromances, in all of Star Trek. It's because of the setting. They couldn't spend every episode exploring strange new worlds and waste huge amounts of time with new aliens we'd never see again, so they had to instead spend a lot of it on the actual characters. It's a shame that we probably can't get that dynamic again - even ignoring the low quality of NuTrek - simply because it requires a stationary situation like DS9 for it to happen. Ironically it did the 'character drama focused story' well long before it became a fad to churn out garbage scifi over and over focused on histrionic characters dying in random gruesome ways to manufacture 'drama'. It didn't even have the shaky cam or lens flares.

I actually do believe that particular one. I know she went a bit overboard with it afterwards before finally being canceled by Twitter, but the “Dumbledore is/was gay” one was easy to believe, especially in the last book when you go into his backstory. Not an absolute proof, but a “oh yeah, I can see it” kinda thing.

I don't buy it, honestly. It was easy to believe because it was very simple and fit easily into the limited POV of Harry. Dumbledore was an extremely old man that Harry never really got to know personally, so 'it simply never came up' was believable and - at the time - progressive, to say a character is gay without writing them in any special way or pointing it out. However, it was in one of her first interviews after the books, and she kept saying insane things after the books to keep attention - like she claimed immediately after book 7 was published that Harry was a Christ allegory and they were Christian books reflecting her religion, but she had to keep it secret while writing it or it would have spoiled the ending. Then, after the buzz of Harry Potter being the 'new Narnia books' wore off, she came out with the Dumbledore thing. When that faded she started drawing up all the post-book family trees and pivoted into Pottermore.

Am I autistic or was there 0 chemistry between Seven and Raffi? Where the fuck did that kiss come from?

The scriptwriters' spank bank. We're supposed to believe they're just bickering because they're like an old married couple, but it ignores all of Seven's personality to assume that's the kind of romance she would have, and they forgot to include any times where they actually had real bonding or cared about each other, because both of them are flat and bland action heroine stereotypes. Also they were holding hands last season in a blink and you'll miss it moment, so they needed to do the big kiss to get the angry gays off Patrick's back for not showing 'enough' of it.

 

[White Devil]

The Garak is a homo fanclub needs to fuck off. Your baseless and wrong theories have been tired since the 90s.

 

[Allanon]

The Garak is a homo fanclub needs to fuck off. Your baseless and wrong theories have been tired since the 90s.

Doesn't he specifically have a romantic interest or partner who's a woman in the novels? They're questionably canon and instantly blasted into noncanon the moment something like Star Trek Online says otherwise, but still.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Doesn't he specifically have a romantic interest or partner who's a woman in the novels? They're questionably canon and instantly blasted into noncanon the moment something like Star Trek Online says otherwise, but still.

He fucked Gul Dukat's daughter in the show. Or at least courted her.

Man I need to watch DS9 again.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I've not watched Picard, cause fuck that shit, but apparently, the last episode ends with everyone but the Beaner getting back to the Stargazer and Seven takes control as Captain...
I don't get it. AFAIK, Seven isn't even part of the Starfleet anymore, right? So how can she declare herself captain? Is "chain of command" simply something that happens to other shows?

I mean, sure, the people writing for this trashfire show know virtually nothing about how a military command structure is organized and how it works, they think people can just waltz in and declare themselves the new boss, like it was a writing room in LA.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I don't get it. AFAIK, Seven isn't even part of the Starfleet anymore, right? So how can she declare herself captain? Is "chain of command" simply something that happens to other shows?

She was never part of Starfleet, it was even mentioned in a previous episode that she tried and got rejected because she was "Too Borg" for the tastes of the stuffy federation.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Am I autistic or was there 0 chemistry between Seven and Raffi?

Wasn't the actress booted off SVU in the second season or some such?

Didn't expect her to darken my door again.

Yeah I know the EU is for shit. Literally ended with Picard alone and nuts in an old folks home.

 

[Ishtar]

She was never part of Starfleet, it was even mentioned in a previous episode that she tried and got rejected because she was "Too Borg" for the tastes of the stuffy federation.

WTF. Even in Voyager by season 7 her "borg-ness" was fading and fading quickly.

She had 3 years experience, and Janeway of all people(who is noted to be cozy with the Admirals) to vouch for her.

That is so fucking retarded I can't even-no, if Seven wanted to formally join SF she'd have been let in the door with barely a question asked.