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I just watched TNG Season 6 "Rascals" (the one where some of the main crew get turned into kids)
It has a bad reputation but even Ithought it was shit as I haven't watched in years but I really enjoyed it
Like a DS9 silly Ferengi episode
I would recommend a good watch through every couple of years I did DS9 two years ago and I plan on Voyager next you forget how good these shows are
It has a bad reputation but even Ithought it was shit as I haven't watched in years but I really enjoyed it
Like a DS9 silly Ferengi episode
I would recommend a good watch through every couple of years I did DS9 two years ago and I plan on Voyager next you forget how good these shows are
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"Pen Pals" is interesting, too.
It gets blamed for starting the slippery slope of [child actor] plays Taco Bell Manager for a day. Also, the Prime Directive is morally unclear and not particularly logical.
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STO was and is considered canon, what are you talking about? They've said this several times. The TV shows overrule them when there's a conflict (such as the two fates of Data) but they were officially endorsed as the canon continuation to the show's continuity. It's different from the novels. Though my point with the novel mention is that they wouldn't have UPN breathing down their neck, so if Garak were really meant to be gay it should have shown up in a novel, instead of continuing to affirm his heterosexuality.
I thought Q just found her personality interesting enough to take her around places. To be fair we have no idea what Q would have done with any of the other crewmates if they didn't have fully 100% antagonistic reactions to him. In the novels (that may not be canon but still utilize Q better than most episodes do) he drags even Picard around and goes so far as to show Picard his 'youth' when it suits his purposes. One of the fun things about Q is that it's hard to quantify what he's doing, what his angle is, or why he's doing it. He's both a fun and 'approachable' kind of figure and also 'far beyond mortal understanding', Which is why even deLancie being a great actor cannot save Picard's writing of Q. They drop his whimsical nature to show how serious he is to assure the audience it's real, but in so doing they lose the key of Q.
Even at his most serious and sinister, Q always had a sense of whimsy, dressed up in stupid outfits to mock the people he imitated. It may have been a trial to determine humanity's survival and right to exist, but to the Q it was a passing fancy both to alleviate boredom and the same routine that inspires it.
Pen Pals is the one that gets mocked for being one of the starting points for 'the Prime Directive is sentient and so is Evolution, and we cannot intervene even in the case of annihilation because the Universe Has A Plan', right?
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Only whats shown on screen is canon, nothing else. No books, no games.
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So whats canon now? Data being dead or having his matrix put into B4 and being Captain of the E and/or being retired in STO?
Only televised Star Trek is canon. This explicitly excludes books, and above all the myriad of novels based on Star Trek. None of them are canon in the view of Paramount/CBS, although many of them would fit into the timeline and would be largely free of anti-canon notions. The above mentioned royalty issue forbids (or makes it very unlikely) that characters established in the books ever find their way into canon Trek. The same applies to all Trek-themed games and other merchandise.
There can't be any exception along the lines "But these are soooo popular" or "She is such an excellent writer" or "He has been working on the series for years". Sorry, but any discussion of canon facts at EAS is strictly off-limits for material from novels and games. I also don't consider to introduce anything like an acknowledged "beta canon" level at EAS.
Ships designs from the MMORPG Star Trek Online appear in the second season of Star Trek Picard. This has prompted some fans to declare that "all STO ships are canon now" or "all of STO is canon now". This is a misconception. Single ships from the Star Trek Technical Manual or even from other sci-fi universes have appeared in Trek shows and movies before, without making them canon within the Star Trek Universe.
Irrespective of the quality and of the realism of the STO starship designs (which are often rather imitations of canon classes, rather than variations), the following always was and will remain a firm principle at EAS: If ships appear in a canon Trek show, they are canon. If they don't, they are not canon.
D.C. Fontana On TAS Canon (and Sybok)
Dorothy Fontana (aka D.C. Fontana) was with Star Trek since the beginning as both a writer and Story Editor for Star Trek: The Original Series. She had the same job for The Animated Series and went on to write episodes for both TNG and DS9 (and even for the recent Trek game and New Voyages fan...
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So whats canon now? Data being dead or having his matrix put into B4 and being Captain of the E and/or being retired in STO?
Ex Astris Scientia - What is Canon?
Canon as a general concept, canon in Star Trek, canon at EAS
www.ex-astris-scientia.org
Novels and games
Only televised Star Trek is canon. This explicitly excludes books, and above all the myriad of novels based on Star Trek. None of them are canon in the view of Paramount/CBS, although many of them would fit into the timeline and would be largely free of anti-canon notions. The above mentioned royalty issue forbids (or makes it very unlikely) that characters established in the books ever find their way into canon Trek. The same applies to all Trek-themed games and other merchandise.
Ships designs from the MMORPG Star Trek Online appear in the second season of Star Trek Picard. This has prompted some fans to declare that "all STO ships are canon now" or "all of STO is canon now". This is a misconception. Single ships from the Star Trek Technical Manual or even from other sci-fi universes have appeared in Trek shows and movies before, without making them canon within the Star Trek Universe.
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The plot contrivance to get the Ferengi to capture the Enterprise and sell everyone into slavery really undersells just how effective those Ferengi actually are. Using old Birds of Prey they bought from the used ship dealership, they successfully commandeered the Federation Flagship during Worf's shift. This incident is so well-known that Odo makes fun of Worf for it. It's not even the first time the Ferengi are good at the business of privateering either.
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Also their doc was crazy and lost in the past.
For the longest time I would literally read every book involving Q. So many of those were awesome. That Q-continuum trilogy you mentioned was great.
Also the Comics issue where Q messed with Pine-Kirk's Enterprise, that's solid gold.
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God damn, better acting, action, and character development in two minutes than two seasons of Picard and 4 of Discovery. Insane.
Keep copies around, you know they'll do a remaster or erase episodes.
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They almost seized Voyager and the NX-01, too.
Funny how they fit the "space pirate" role better than Klingons do.
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You're quoting stuff that came after the show when people started questioning Picard's terrible writing. Novels have always only been 'canon in as much as they haven't been contradicted', because they're basically glorified fanfiction, but STO was strictly considered canon up until Patrick Stewart decided to trample on it. It did not come from the ships being present in Picard - the developers behind the game had stated it multiple times before Discovery was even a twinkling in the eye of Kurtzman. It's part of why they were able to get the legit actors in to voice so much of it.Only whats shown on screen is canon, nothing else. No books, no games.
D.C. Fontana On TAS Canon (and Sybok)
Dorothy Fontana (aka D.C. Fontana) was with Star Trek since the beginning as both a writer and Story Editor for Star Trek: The Original Series. She had the same job for The Animated Series and went on to write episodes for both TNG and DS9 (and even for the recent Trek game and New Voyages fan...
So whats canon now? Data being dead or having his matrix put into B4 and being Captain of the E and/or being retired in STO?
Ex Astris Scientia - What is Canon?
Canon as a general concept, canon in Star Trek, canon at EASwww.ex-astris-scientia.org
Novels and games
Only televised Star Trek is canon. This explicitly excludes books, and above all the myriad of novels based on Star Trek. None of them are canon in the view of Paramount/CBS, although many of them would fit into the timeline and would be largely free of anti-canon notions. The above mentioned royalty issue forbids (or makes it very unlikely) that characters established in the books ever find their way into canon Trek. The same applies to all Trek-themed games and other merchandise.
There can't be any exception along the lines "But these are soooo popular" or "She is such an excellent writer" or "He has been working on the series for years". Sorry, but any discussion of canon facts at EAS is strictly off-limits for material from novels and games. I also don't consider to introduce anything like an acknowledged "beta canon" level at EAS.
Ships designs from the MMORPG Star Trek Online appear in the second season of Star Trek Picard. This has prompted some fans to declare that "all STO ships are canon now" or "all of STO is canon now". This is a misconception. Single ships from the Star Trek Technical Manual or even from other sci-fi universes have appeared in Trek shows and movies before, without making them canon within the Star Trek Universe.
Irrespective of the quality and of the realism of the STO starship designs (which are often rather imitations of canon classes, rather than variations), the following always was and will remain a firm principle at EAS: If ships appear in a canon Trek show, they are canon. If they don't, they are not canon.
I realize that they may have decided to spitefully blot it out entirely now to give their hack writers carte blanche to write stuff without considering STO, but I will choose to ignore that - both going forward because STO is flat out better, and for the subject at hand, which is that despite STO being the officially recognized canon continuation of the Star Trek story up until Patrick Stewart messed it up, and no studio with which to interfere, Garak still wasn't having sex with Bashir.
Even the bad Q books are, frankly, still pretty good. Something about the novels seem to just allow the Q to be better explored and utilized than the tv show. Especially the Q-continuum trilogy. It's almost a shame that didn't get adapted to screen, but the budget would be too high to realistically manage it in live action.
Also that Garak clip further shows he was never romantically interested in Bashir. What people interpret as him being interested/attracted to Bashir is completely contrary to how he behaves with someone he definitely was interested in/attracted to. It also feels a bit unlikely he would be romantically interested in a human - especially immediately attracted to one - when he's so very connected to Cardassia. He's constantly lonely and in psychological torment because he's separated from his homeworld and surrounded by non-Cardassians, his chief concern is the safety and success of Cardassia. It's just not in line with his character to want to jump the cute (by human standards) human doctor he met. There's obviously a cliche romantic trope that can be explored with that concept of an alien providing him with a sense of home and easing his loneliness in a romantic sense, but even in that case it relies on the alien being the one to reach through his resistance to do that. (In variations of the trope where this isn't the case, like Farscape, it's always the human courting an 'alien' who looks just like a human. They don't feel super lonely and isolated and miss their people and then suddenly chase after some wildly inhuman looking alien to be their human-surrogate partner.)
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Picard was retired too. How the fuck can he give command to a ship to someone like that? Someone who isn't even in fucking Starfleet. What a insult to basic story telling, logic & common sense.
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For all we know, after her cameo in First Contact, Starfleet found out just how insane she acted in the Delta Quadrant and canned her crazy ass.
If nothing else, that would explain why she wasn't Admiral "sheer fucking hubris," when she really REALLY should have been.
As I believe @Flexo was already implying by showing the clip he did in his most recent post, Garak was clearly courting (and/or fucking) Ziyal to fuck with her father, i.e. his worst enemy. Unless I'm forgetting something, he never actually had any feelings for her.
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Also, apparently if Secen was never captured by the Borg, she would have been President.
I want to say that’s some shitty Hilary reference because of who wrote this show, but I can’t quite connect the dots.
I want to say that’s some shitty Hilary reference because of who wrote this show, but I can’t quite connect the dots.
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Which is just icing on the cake. S1 Picard tells us Icheb was allowed to join Starfleet, S2 tells us Borg can't... or was it just Seven?
If fans pushed this point, we'd get a "Icheb is a man, so he has privilege that Seven doesn't" or some bullshit like that.
We all know the truth: It's shitty writing. Seven is le sad face cause she can't be badass captain of Starfleet, so Picard gives her the Stargazer at the end of S2, however that's supposed to work, given that by commandeering that ship, the only reaction of the crew would be to call Security and have her put in an arrest cell. And rightfully so.
I bet whatever braindead moron fans this show actually has will go "It's like when Chewbacca finally got his medal!"
I guess the best way to approach Q is to imagine him as a guy with an ant-farm.
Sure, he might take interest in an individual ant and do things to help or troll it, just to amuse himself, but ultimately, it's just an ant, so it will die eventually die and Q might mourn the loss of that ant for a moment, but there are many more ants and they live so short lives in a tiny world you can't even begin to comprehend. So yeah, no way you can really get attached. Every couple dozen generations or so, Q is bored so he picks another ant.
From his perspective, humans and their human problems are just the pointless meanderings of ants. Even all of humanity is barely worth his attention, cause they have been around for a blink of an eye as far as he's concerned and never reach Q levels, so they are ants, stuck in a galaxy-sized ant-farm while Qs can go dick around in an entire universe.
Millions of humans die to Borg, it's like we hear about one tribe of ants destroying another tribe of ants. We go "well, sucks to be them, now let's see how these new ants shake things up" and we move on.
If you want to give Q a more serious spin, you could dive into Q's history. I would think it might match his personality to have made terrible experiences interacting with species in the past when he got invested in their fate and tried to help, just to realize that anything he does is in vain, everything is chaos, even when he helps them survive one situation, they might die a million years later to something else (which still is just the blink of an eye to Q) and that he constantly has to decide if he gets involved and helping them or if he lets things happen naturally and they might die. Ultimately, he stops getting invested in the meanderings of lesser beings and merely does it for his own entertainment.
I dunno, there is potential here I think. Potential, I might add, without making Q a dour borefest.
"Sir, the full report and assessment of Admiral Janeway's actions in the Delta Quadrant has been finished... the high volume of personal logs and ship data made this a very time consuming work, but here's the result."
-"Ah yes. Let's find out how Janeway fared in the Delta Quadrant and how well she upheld our rules and morals... Oh no. ... OH NO."
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I’m still pissed they killed off Q.
If season 3 somehow manages to kill off the EMH, I may literally scream at someone.
If season 3 somehow manages to kill off the EMH, I may literally scream at someone.
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Surely Robert Picardo has enough dignity to not sign on for that?
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I’m still amazed de Lancie agreed.