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Probably lack of work.

Apparently there is a Borg joining the federation plot?

What The Fuck????

I know someone responded critically to my praise of Destiny earlier, but I’m sorry, I will take “Catoms” and uber pacifist space elves over this shit literally every day.
 
Probably lack of work.

Apparently there is a Borg joining the federation plot?

What The Fuck????

I know someone responded critically to my praise of Destiny earlier, but I’m sorry, I will take “Catoms” and uber pacifist space elves over this shit literally every day.
Remember, they made the Borg good guys who “save the lost and unwanted” now or some shit because what’s-her-face merged with the Borg Queen.

So now the Borg is nothing but mentally ill people.
 
Remember, they made the Borg good guys who “save the lost and unwanted” now or some shit because what’s-her-face merged with the Borg Queen.

So now the Borg is nothing but mentally ill people.
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The Borg is now Reddit.
particularly the troon subreddits, I imagine.

"We are the Borg, our pronouns are Ze/Zim. Lower your pants and bent over, lest we call you bigots."
 
For all we know, after her cameo in First Contact, Starfleet found out just how insane she acted in the Delta Quadrant and canned her crazy ass.

If nothing else, that would explain why she wasn't Admiral "sheer fucking hubris," when she really REALLY should have been.


As I believe @Flexo was already implying by showing the clip he did in his most recent post, Garak was clearly courting (and/or fucking) Ziyal to fuck with her father, i.e. his worst enemy. Unless I'm forgetting something, he never actually had any feelings for her.
It's Garak. If you know anything about Garak, it is of course both. He is genuinely lonely and fond of her, perhaps even interested in her in a 'in another life' way but the reason he's acting on those feelings is to mess with Dukat.
Which is just icing on the cake. S1 Picard tells us Icheb was allowed to join Starfleet, S2 tells us Borg can't... or was it just Seven?
If fans pushed this point, we'd get a "Icheb is a man, so he has privilege that Seven doesn't" or some bullshit like that.

We all know the truth: It's shitty writing. Seven is le sad face cause she can't be badass captain of Starfleet, so Picard gives her the Stargazer at the end of S2, however that's supposed to work, given that by commandeering that ship, the only reaction of the crew would be to call Security and have her put in an arrest cell. And rightfully so.
I bet whatever braindead moron fans this show actually has will go "It's like when Chewbacca finally got his medal!"


I guess the best way to approach Q is to imagine him as a guy with an ant-farm.
Sure, he might take interest in an individual ant and do things to help or troll it, just to amuse himself, but ultimately, it's just an ant, so it will die eventually die and Q might mourn the loss of that ant for a moment, but there are many more ants and they live so short lives in a tiny world you can't even begin to comprehend. So yeah, no way you can really get attached. Every couple dozen generations or so, Q is bored so he picks another ant.

From his perspective, humans and their human problems are just the pointless meanderings of ants. Even all of humanity is barely worth his attention, cause they have been around for a blink of an eye as far as he's concerned and never reach Q levels, so they are ants, stuck in a galaxy-sized ant-farm while Qs can go dick around in an entire universe.
Millions of humans die to Borg, it's like we hear about one tribe of ants destroying another tribe of ants. We go "well, sucks to be them, now let's see how these new ants shake things up" and we move on.

If you want to give Q a more serious spin, you could dive into Q's history. I would think it might match his personality to have made terrible experiences interacting with species in the past when he got invested in their fate and tried to help, just to realize that anything he does is in vain, everything is chaos, even when he helps them survive one situation, they might die a million years later to something else (which still is just the blink of an eye to Q) and that he constantly has to decide if he gets involved and helping them or if he lets things happen naturally and they might die. Ultimately, he stops getting invested in the meanderings of lesser beings and merely does it for his own entertainment.
I dunno, there is potential here I think. Potential, I might add, without making Q a dour borefest.


"Sir, the full report and assessment of Admiral Janeway's actions in the Delta Quadrant has been finished... the high volume of personal logs and ship data made this a very time consuming work, but here's the result."
-"Ah yes. Let's find out how Janeway fared in the Delta Quadrant and how well she upheld our rules and morals... Oh no. ... OH NO."
I would say it's a little different to the ant farm in that he's able to differentiate between the ants and track them, but I agree otherwise. It's basically just an ant farm, and like some ant raisers, he gets very fond of some of the ants (groups of ants in human terms), getting them special treats and toys and rooting for them. But in the end, if they all died he'd only be sad for a little while before he got new ants and started again, and if individual ants die he just notes how they bury their dead.

Incidentally the novels do dive into Q's history, and it's quite fun. It also manages not to ruin the feel or mystique of Q.
I’m still pissed they killed off Q.

If season 3 somehow manages to kill off the EMH, I may literally scream at someone.
Patrick Stewart is apparently convinced the only thing worth using nostalgia on is to kill the character. I think they also wanted the Q out of the way for Discovery for...some reason? I don't know why they dislike the Q - you can just choose not to use them, as DS9 did (bar one s1 episode). It's also pointless, because the Q are not bound by time anymore than they are by space. Q as we know him may have experienced the end of his existence in 2024, but in the 24th century he meets Picard for the first time. Even their attempt to end the Q is meaningless, because we have no idea when the Q actually end relative to the human perspective.

I believe there may actually be some mention of 'we stopped perceiving the future at x point' but given that he's shown up later and Q2 hides all over existence, it can only mean point x is by their own relative perspective, and not that they simply exit time at that point (otherwise Q2 would have known of this and went into the future to hide). It was a total waste of time just to be pretentious.

But I expect all of the TNG crew to die progressively through the season, because that's all Patrick knows how to write.
Remember, they made the Borg good guys who “save the lost and unwanted” now or some shit because what’s-her-face merged with the Borg Queen.

So now the Borg is nothing but mentally ill people.
I believe the insane asylum Borg are merely a faction and not the main thing. Were they not, history would be massively different. Forget butterflies, removing the Borg from history would create depth charges in the sea of time. They purposefully obscured it by giving Seven identical borg nodes so that you wouldn't be able to confirm or deny that her history changed, but the tense situation wouldn't have existed in the first place if the Borg were never enemies.
 
Q favored him with a rakish grin. “Do what I always do—go bother Picard.”
It's not like deLancie was unique in that, either. Remember Corbin Bernsen's uncredited cameo? The Q must get their nutrition from chewing all the scenery.

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Star Trek often brings back actors to play similar-but-slightly-different characters, probably to cheat writers out of royalties, but Jonathan del Arco was definitely playing Hugh. Unless you're making a 4D argument about how we are all different people at different stages in our lives.
Fuck, they know just enough to ruin everything.
 
He fucked Gul Dukat's daughter in the show. Or at least courted her.

Man I need to watch DS9 again.
Garak and Dukat were by far two of the best regular characters in that series. Sisko a.k.a. Afronaut Dr. Huxtable was an utter bore, as was Kira - I can totally understand the Cardassians wanting to wipe out the Bajorans, just to make the Quadrant less dull.
If it wasn't for the saving grace of the Space Jew running the bar, it would have been unwatchable. Not even the hotness of Jadzia could have saved it.
 
Garak and Dukat were by far two of the best regular characters in that series. Sisko a.k.a. Afronaut Dr. Huxtable was an utter bore, as was Kira - I can totally understand the Cardassians wanting to wipe out the Bajorans, just to make the Quadrant less dull.
If it wasn't for the saving grace of the Space Jew running the bar, it would have been unwatchable. Not even the hotness of Jadzia could have saved it.
That's certainly an opinion.
 
Garak and Dukat were by far two of the best regular characters in that series. Sisko a.k.a. Afronaut Dr. Huxtable was an utter bore, as was Kira - I can totally understand the Cardassians wanting to wipe out the Bajorans, just to make the Quadrant less dull.
If it wasn't for the saving grace of the Space Jew running the bar, it would have been unwatchable. Not even the hotness of Jadzia could have saved it.
I could call Sisko and Kira a lot of things, but boring would not be one of them.
 
Bring Hugh back and make him Captain of whatever Enterprise is running around.

I'll be utterly fucking shocked if nuTrek writers know I, Borg.

You know what I could have gotten onboard with that, Hugh or another former Borg joining the Federation and rapidly rising through the ranks to senior Ship's staff because of the indoctrination they got as a member of the Collective making them amazingly good at Science and Enginnering.

Remember, they made the Borg good guys who “save the lost and unwanted” now or some shit because what’s-her-face merged with the Borg Queen.

So now the Borg is nothing but mentally ill people.

They stole that idea from one of the first Borg Voyager shows, it's not that bad of an idea especially in a show like Trek where they are all about second chances where a species like the Borg show up and try to help those that they can but it comes at the cost of assimilation with them garnering a unwelcome but not hostile reputation as the Carrion feeders of the universe.

Kinda like those Soul Keepers from B5 who show up to collect the souls of people of great import when they die, but insted of collecting the soul they collect them bodilly and help others when they can.

I could call Sisko and Kira a lot of things, but boring would not be one of them.

Skisko is the most realistic captain we have ever had in any trek, he was more human at least and was really well acted.

Kira, sufferd initially being written as Roe Larren and only really came into her own after season 2's midway point if you ask me and by the end of the series I honestly think she had made the roll her own, and when they did the Mirror universe stuff she vamped it up like no other.
 
I know someone responded critically to my praise of Destiny earlier, but I’m sorry, I will take “Catoms” and uber pacifist space elves over this shit literally every day.
That was me but on this I think you may be right. Catoms is still less cringe than hippie borg.

Also Q is not dead. He just went to the My Little Pony universe.
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Kira, initially being written as Ro
One can hear Saul Tigh's voice in Kira. She works better as XO than she does in any command position.

I did enjoy the one where Bajor revives the old caste system ("Accession"), so she quits to become an artist. Kira forces out a sculpture as if it's something she should hit, like a heavy bag.
 
Kira was grating in the early seasons because she was bitchy, rude, loud, and openly insubordinate at times. I.E. a woman. Sisko in the early seasons could be lazy, unnecessarily gruff, and aggressive-that is black.

You can read Dramatis Personae as an expression of their unfettered personalities-Kira is an insubordinate terrorist, and Sisko is a lazy ass who only gets off his desk when his pride is directly challenged.

Bashir was great, albeit I can see why some people dislike him. Jadzia was well not so great-apart from Terry's early atrocious acting, she re arranges Odo's stuff, attempts to cockblock Julian from landing a date with Leeta(this is after he stopped chasing her skirt btw), as well as other actions that seemed just to piss people off, oh and also that time she was going to leave DS9 for some guy in a dimensionally shifting planet-"Dax's just do" indeed.

Odo is always wonderful, unironically I'd love to see people with his exact personality be all the real life police in the world, and Quark despite holding to every trait of Jewish scam artists was always fun to watch.
 
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