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Traincake said:
It's weird, that Seth McFarlane can make better Star Trek as a parody than the people behind Star Trek proper.
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80% of Family Guy is just 80's references. He is ideally suited, in a way.

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ToroidalBoat said:
WW3 began with GamerGate 2: Electric Boogaloo
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The Eugenics War started when Tucker Carlson said the fourteen words while wearing a diaper.
 
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Traincake said:
It's weird, that Seth McFarlane can make better Star Trek as a parody than the people behind Star Trek proper.
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He pitched it as a parody, but after you get passed the pilot, it’s very clear it’s just “Star Trek with a bit more comedy in it” rather than “lol Star Trek”. He’s got a lot of former TNG staff on it too.
 
WhatIsThePunchline said:
Rodenberry being disagreeable and retardedly stubborn seems to have been at least every bit as much of a blessing as a curse.

And frankly considering the town and time period he worked in I can understand him growing increasingly irate over time.

But take 'main characters aren't allowed to be in conflict with eachother'. That's a rule Rodenberry held to that get brought up all the time. "How can the writers write if the main characters don't get to be in conflict'.
But then in tng everyone acts like an adult, they're mature, they're not prone to petty interpersonal drama or bitching or various slap fights. And they retain that quality even after Gene had to step back and had less creative power over the show. And in Discovery and Picard people don't.

Perhaps people trend towards low hanging fruit when working at complicated tasks, and on occasion someone needs to be at their ass to make them think a little deeper.

Gene had a lot of goofy and dumb ideas but at its core I think he understood a few things that many don't.

Like there are different ways of thinking and not everyone runs on the same assumptions. And his idea of utopia is it's possible to communicate and cooperate and respect others despite that. That feels like the core idea behind his optimistic visions. Different cultures, different outlooks, different belief systems, different systems, but they're cohesive. They make internal sense. Some can be superior to others, but even inferior ones can have a point. And you have to have the right outlook. And it's not trivial to 'fix' them. And being good sometimes means being ruthless, but not without thought.

And over time the more distant he became from Trek, the more Trek lost that.

And now it's all low-hanging fruit.
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Personally, I like the idea in the future people will be or at least socialized to be professional, more stoic, and less prone to petty dick measuring and meaningless cat fights.

That doesn't mean disagreements won't exist, but just that people will generally work together when called to do so-and stow their personal gripes.

There's a scene in TNG with Worf and Data-where Data chews out Worf for second guessing him (Data was temporary captain), Worf accepts responsibility, Data maintains that while the behavior was unacceptable-they don't have to stop being friends and go back to business.

It's very mature and "advanced" in the sense that Worf doesn't carry a grudge for getting a dressing down, or Data doesn't punish/bully Worf for having challenged/interrupted him.

I'd say more than the "explore new civilizations" aspect-this defined Trek. People were of a higher quality than today, at least by way of socialization and education, if not some fundamental change in human(or sapient) nature.
 
Shamash said:
Personally, I like the idea in the future people will be or at least socialized to be professional, more stoic, and less prone to petty dick measuring and meaningless cat fights.

That doesn't mean disagreements won't exist, but just that people will generally work together when called to do so-and stow their personal gripes.

There's a scene in TNG with Worf and Data-where Data chews out Worf for second guessing him (Data was temporary captain), Worf accepts responsibility, Data maintains that while the behavior was unacceptable-they don't have to stop being friends and go back to business.

It's very mature and "advanced" in the sense that Worf doesn't carry a grudge for getting a dressing down, or Data doesn't punish/bully Worf for having challenged/interrupted him.

I'd say more than the "explore new civilizations" aspect-this defined Trek. People were of a higher quality than today, at least by way of socialization and education, if not some fundamental change in human(or sapient) nature.
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On that note, Spock is not only an underrated commander in general, but I found him to be the most Renaissance man in possibly all of Star Trek. So I've always found the idea that he's a cold, logical guy that needs a counterweight off by quite a bit and it shows in Nimoy's general performance.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vMKtKNZw4Bo
On that note, Spock is not only an underrated commander in general, but I found him to be the most Renaissance man in possibly all of Star Trek. So I've always found the idea that he's a cold, logical guy that needs a counterweight off by quite a bit and it shows in Nimoy's general performance.
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That clip just makes the new shit so much worse, I miss when the characters acted like professional adults and not retarded teenagers.
 
Shamash said:
Personally, I like the idea in the future people will be or at least socialized to be professional, more stoic, and less prone to petty dick measuring and meaningless cat fights.
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it's not just a future thing, you need cooperation otherwise nothing get's done. wasting time and energy on infights and other shit is not very productive. doesn't mean you can't disagree, but also doesn't mean you go full nutrek which has no concept of hierarchy or mutual respect because MUH PUNCHING UP MUH FIGHT THE POWA and makes zero fucking sense in that context.

Retink said:
That clip just makes the new shit so much worse, I miss when the characters acted like professional adults and not retarded teenagers.
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speaking of...
(got posted before iirc)
 
ZMOT said:
it's not just a future thing, you need cooperation otherwise nothing get's done. wasting time on energy on infights and other shit will affect that. doesn't mean you can't disagree, but also doesn't mean you go full nutrek which has no concept of hierarchy or mutual respect because MUH PUNCHING UP MUH FIGHT THE POWA and makes zero fucking sense in that context


speaking of...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0(got posted before iirc)
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I’m not gonna watch this but…this is that episode with the “lol you’re stupid and dumb for being weird. You’re fired” #girlboss captain, isn’t it?
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I thought the Eugenics Wars happened in the 1990s. WW3 happens some time in the 21st century in the ST universe.

Also IIRC, because they didn't happen in the IRL 1990s, they "retconned" them to be a "shadow war" of some kind.
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Voyager and some wibbly wobbly time stuff causes the eugenics era to be replaced with the Tech Revolution of the late 90s instead with some chadly Bill Gates equivalent fucks around with 28th century tech or something. It suggests it gets shoved into the 2020s and this is born out by S2 of Picard with the retardly named "Project Khan". Its part of the dumb modern desire of keeping things semi-nebulous and "in the future" rather than accepting Trek is on a different timeline. Probably in some dumb "We can be star trek guise" idea rather than inspiring people to be like them.

I mean, when nothing happens in five-ten years time, the Jan 6th footage just becomes more generic/general rioting footage like the mix of Maidan protests footage used in the outside big screen shots.

SteelPlatedHeart said:
He pitched it as a parody, but after you get passed the pilot, it’s very clear it’s just “Star Trek with a bit more comedy in it” rather than “lol Star Trek”. He’s got a lot of former TNG staff on it too.
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I do need to go back to Orville, but I was amused when part way through watching an episode I felt I recognised the pacing and shots of a certain episode only to find Johnathon Frakes had directed the bloody thing.
 
Retink said:
The girl boss clips are from the Family Guy parody show, right? I'm pretty sure it is but with how things have been I actually have to ask just incase.
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Nope, it's the god-awful short "The Trouble With Edward" in which the Captain's a humungous cunt in an attempt at humour, Edward gets killed by tribbles because she treated him like such shit he wound up pushing ahead with a project that she could've kiboshed and got him to focus on better work, or at least put a pin in for the time being while they looked at more suitable and less morally dubious route. (The Federation by this point likely has moved away from animal rearing and focused on protein resequencing a la Enterprise.)

She then outright shows a callous lack of care that she pushed said scientist to drastic and stupid measures that got him killed by being such a twat and oturight says it at her hearing. Oh, and it implies its all Edward's fault that tribbles become a huge environmental hazard in the Galaxy to the point the Klingons launched an outright enormous war on them between the Kirk and Sisko eras.

I like to think she was dismissed from service after showing such a callous attitude to her command and people.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
I like to think she was dismissed from service after showing such a callous attitude to her command and people.
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I really pains me to say the words "in that episode's defense" but it does legitimately cut to black just after she says her infamous "he was an idiot" line, so, to my shock, this interpretation is still fitting
 
Retink said:
The girl boss clips are from the Family Guy parody show, right? I'm pretty sure it is but with how things have been I actually have to ask just incase.
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The Orville would have taken a situation like this way more seriously.
 
L50LasPak said:
I really pains me to say the words "in that episode's defense" but it does legitimately cut to black just after she says her infamous "he was an idiot" line, so, to my shock, this interpretation is still fitting
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"So to sum up, Captain Lucero, you took command of the USS Cabot, got a brilliant scientist killed and destroyed an entire Federation Starship in under a week because your personalities clashed and you were unable to manage your personell properly?"

"Ah, well, I."

"You are dismissed from Starfleet, Miss Lucero."

"I uh."

"This conversation is over."

"Well it's not over if I keep tal-"

"Secuity escort Miss Lucerno to the brig to await her trial."
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
Voyager and some wibbly wobbly time stuff causes the eugenics era to be replaced with the Tech Revolution of the late 90s instead with some chadly Bill Gates equivalent fucks around with 28th century tech or something. It suggests it gets shoved into the 2020s and this is born out by S2 of Picard with the retardly named "Project Khan". Its part of the dumb modern desire of keeping things semi-nebulous and "in the future" rather than accepting Trek is on a different timeline. Probably in some dumb "We can be star trek guise" idea rather than inspiring people to be like them.

I mean, when nothing happens in five-ten years time, the Jan 6th footage just becomes more generic/general rioting footage like the mix of Maidan protests footage used in the outside big screen shots.



I do need to go back to Orville, but I was amused when part way through watching an episode I felt I recognised the pacing and shots of a certain episode only to find Johnathon Frakes had directed the bloody thing.
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Not just him. Robert Duncan McNeil too.
 
ZMOT said:
speaking of...
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It's certainly no coincidence that Captain Cunt is the same actress as Alita. A shame, she's a good actress, but those clips alone make me hate her guts.
You can tell it is supposed to be some "YAS KWEEN SLAY! HURR GIRLBOSS GO!" crap, but fucking fuck. If that's their idea of leadership, it is all you need to know to understand why every project managed by people from that bubble is such a shitshow.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
Oh, and it implies its Edward's fault that tribbles become a huge environmental hazard in the galaxy
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I'm pretty sure STD, not Orville, is the parody at this point.
Retink said:
That clip just makes the new shit so much worse, I miss when the characters acted like professional adults and not retarded teenagers.
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Data has all the fun roles. He was definitely one of the most versatile characters, if not the most.
Ponderous Pillock said:
I do need to go back to Orville, but I recognised the pacing and shots of a certain episode only to find Johnathon Frakes had directed the bloody thing.
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