Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Flexo]

He's been trying to get his own scifi show going for years. Even managed to get some actors and make a pilot.

Unfortunately it was bad.

Anyway he's entertaining but take at least stuff like that with a fistful of salt.

The show space command? He talked about that with Drinker.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

The show space command? He talked about that with Drinker.

Yeah that one.

Here is the pilot for it.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Gene Roddenberry wrote an episode of original Star Trek, in which (somehow) "Deputy Barney Fife" gets transported to the future where Mr. Spock reports to Captain Kirk: "I'm afraid it's not life as we know it." However, the episode was never telecast since studio executives felt it was too far out for even sci-fi fans.

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Executives made the right call:

1. Barney Fife is the comic relief in The Andy Griffith show. Is this episode a comedy?
2. Crossover junk.
3. Mirror universe adds another layer of complexity into a show where they somehow end up in a small town in the middle of nowhere.

 

[AnOminous]

It doesn't really matter considering Sulu isn't a Japanese surname.

It's fairly notorious that it is isn't a real Japanese name and there isn't even a Japanese name that sounds remotely like it.

When written right, Q is a fantastic character and one of the best in the entire franchise. Which is why I'll never want to see him again other than in old TNG episodes.

This. I'd frankly rather see de Lancie in another role like his brilliant turn as Donald Margolis in Breaking Bad than bringing back this revenant of a character in a show run by absolute morons who don't understand him.

Yea it sucks that we wont get a decent Starship Troopers series, I can see them trying but it getting bastardised to the point it's nothing like the Film or Books.

Tbh I was legit pissed at Verhoeven for an "adaptation" that displayed such contempt for the original source material which he literally admitted he'd never even read. Also the general meme that Starship Troopers is "fascist" somehow is based on really just not understanding it at all. I blame ardent commie Michael Moorcock who way back when literally wrote an essay called "Starship Stormtroopers" advancing this nonsense.

Memes aside, the movie was stupid (although NPH deserves a nod for a good performance in an otherwise shit movie).

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Spoiler: Das Gorn Review

Yes, a very pithily titled episode, this episode was basically a submarine movie in spaaaaaace and also gave zero fucks as it knew exactly what it was doing. Every single trope you can think of when it comes to a submarine movie? Yeah they did it.

The reason everyone's so hot isn't because of tension it's because of the brown dwarf. So everyone has this horrible, grimy layer of sweat on them? Check.

Spock alters the navigation array into a radar leading to near silent moments where you can just hear the pings? Check.

Guy gets killed just as the bulkheads slam shut saving one of our hero characters? Check.

Tense moments as medical struggles to deal with everything? Check.

And I fucking loved it. :Story:

Decent cinematography from this episode again. Nicely done. Feeling a little less TV show of the 90s, though the steam coming from the vents was a bit silly coming from exactly two points for like half the episode. It's 2022 guys, you can shove a smoke machine somewhere and let it leak slowly out of various panel cracks and stuff and will look totally better.

Hemmer continues to please me with his grouchyness and Uhura was great and they bounce off eachother nicely, and shockingly we had something approaching a B plot with those two which was actually very nice to see.

"Archeological surgery" to justify stabbing people with thread and needle was good too.

Biggest fucking plus: Did not show how the sausage was made to heighten the threat level.

We've now seen Gorn Ships and a set that acts as a "Nursery planet" for them to hatch and feed more Gorn but we've not seen a single Gorn on screen so far. Not one, nada. Zip. Very good move and makes them more of an actual threat.

Minuses, Ortega's still a bit smug and while the whole "everyone works together because we're starfleet" is far stronger in this show, Ortega strikes me as too near to a loose cannon to be truly safe at the helm. She's obviously there as a modern sop of "cool character who barely tolerates the rules" and it'll date the show a touch in the future... but then chunks of TNG are hilariously dated to the point of quaintness now.

La'An seemingly remembering the necessary elemental deus ex machina which then went nowhere was also a bit dissapojnting. Feel like it should be used in some way somewhere more than merking another ship.

No! No! You're trying to make me hope again! It won't work, all the hope has been burned out of me!

I blame ardent commie Michael Moorcock who way back when literally wrote an essay called "Starship Stormtroopers" advancing this nonsense.

That moment you revealed he thought Richard 'bunny drama' Adams was a nazi of some sort is still etched in my mind. Is there any author Moorcock liked who wasn't himself?

 

[Dox Savage]

No! No! You're trying to make me hope again! It won't work, all the hope has been burned out of me!

You're right not to give into malignant optimism. It's inevitable that the hack-fraud writers of BNW will rip off a video game just like they did with Tardigrade for Discovery or Mass Effect for Picard. They don't have a single original idea so which will is be this time? Wing Commander? Space Quest? Star Ocean? Something Else? Place Your Bets !!

 

[Under Arrest]

It doesn't really matter considering Sulu isn't a Japanese surname.

It's fairly notorious that it is isn't a real Japanese name and there isn't even a Japanese name that sounds remotely like it.

 

[Muppetstudios]

Trying to play Cyberpunk 2077 on a PS4 or Xbox One

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's fairly notorious that it is isn't a real Japanese name and there isn't even a Japanese name that sounds remotely like it.

This. I'd frankly rather see de Lancie in another role like his brilliant turn as Donald Margolis in Breaking Bad than bringing back this revenant of a character in a show run by absolute morons who don't understand him.

Tbh I was legit pissed at Verhoeven for an "adaptation" that displayed such contempt for the original source material which he literally admitted he'd never even read. Also the general meme that Starship Troopers is "fascist" somehow is based on really just not understanding it at all. I blame ardent commie Michael Moorcock who way back when literally wrote an essay called "Starship Stormtroopers" advancing this nonsense.

Memes aside, the movie was stupid (although NPH deserves a nod for a good performance in an otherwise shit movie).

The movie itself fails at depicting fascism anyways. What kind of fascist army accept volunteers and then try to persuade them to not be in the army?

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Tbh I was legit pissed at Verhoeven for an "adaptation" that displayed such contempt for the original source material which he literally admitted he'd never even read. Also the general meme that Starship Troopers is "fascist" somehow is based on really just not understanding it at all. I blame ardent commie Michael Moorcock who way back when literally wrote an essay called "Starship Stormtroopers" advancing this nonsense.

Memes aside, the movie was stupid (although NPH deserves a nod for a good performance in an otherwise shit movie).

I saw that movie when it came out and had no idea it was based on a book or that it was supposed to be anything other than a cheesy OTT action movie (this was the mid-90s IIRC those were still pretty common.) Oddly enough the movie works pretty well from that angle

 

[AnOminous]

Gene Roddenberry wrote an episode of original Star Trek, in which (somehow) "Deputy Barney Fife" gets transported to the future where Mr. Spock reports to Captain Kirk: "I'm afraid it's not life as we know it." However, the episode was never telecast since studio executives felt it was too far out for even sci-fi fans.

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Honestly this should have been released, I would have watched the shit out of it. Is it available anywhere?

 

[Under Arrest]

Reply Honestly this should have been released, I would have watched the shit out of it. Is it available anywhere?

I'm just bullshitting. However, an episode of original Star Trek WAS filmed on the Barney Fife set of The Andy Griffith Show, in the fictional town of Mayberry, North Carolina. Below is Captain James Kirk (with his latest girlfriend) walking past "Floyd's Barber Shop".

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

No! No! You're trying to make me hope again! It won't work, all the hope has been burned out of me!

It's fine, according to a lot of reviewers who got to see half the season before the first episode next week's either boring or shit anyway.

But then, these are modern reviewers so its probably going to be the best episode yet and a properly deep character study or something.

 

[ditto]

Below is Captain James Kirk (with his latest girlfriend) walking past "Floyd's Barber Shop".

Someone needs to get Kurtzman one of those fortune-telling machines so he'll abandon Star Trek and spend the rest of his days trapped at some midwest diner.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Hey, almost sounds like that show might be worth a watch. Almost.
If this show turns out to be good, it's simply too little too late. I don't give a shit about new ST anymore and since this is based on "REMEMBER STAAAAAAAR TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK?!" nostalgia, I'll pass this one gladly.

Kinda reminds me: time to get back into Space 2063.

I'm with you on this for the most part but I honestly think it's worthwhile giving it a watch once the 1st season has finished it's broadcast, I'm not every going to be itnrested in Trek the same way again but it's back to that early 90's "It sorta scratches a itch that nothing else does when it comes to Sci-Fi" I had as a kid with TNG.

I'll avoid Disco like the plauge though, and picard unless I am feeling in a mood for some serious self abuse.

Someone needs to get Kurtzman one of those fortune-telling machines so he'll abandon Star Trek and spend the rest of his days trapped at some midwest diner.

I'd rather we have to fabricate one using a old van, lenght of lead pipe, a black bag and some spades we've bought second hand except the diner is a hole dug out in the desert.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

One detail I did like with SNW is they're not always wandering around in potentially dangerous situations in fucking cloth brightly coloured uniforms.

They're using the space suits with the helmet and oxygen pack removed which reveals a branch colour panel instead. I think a space faring military would definitely do this just to make spare parts and field repairs easier.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

One detail I did like with SNW is they're not always wandering around in potentially dangerous situations in fucking cloth brightly coloured uniforms.

They're using the space suits with the helmet and oxygen pack removed which reveals a branch colour panel instead. I think a space faring military would definitely do this just to make spare parts and field repairs easier.

Yea I think they took some serious IRL insperation from the Apollo era lunar landing suits, they had rank colour insignia ther suits also look like a descendant of a design NASA was playing around with a few years ago in a this isn't our next generation suit it's the one after, that's semi hardbody and can be put on by a single person and uses active support systems rather than what they do now the suits are all semi pressurised they are looking at making it into a active system where only the helmet is pressurised.

If you look at the current EMV suit used on the ISS missions along side the Russian Orlon Suit the EMV is clearly a descendant of the Apollo EVA suits used on the moon.

The Orlon Suit is big bulky and really low tech, but it has the advantage of being mass produced there are about 3 times more of them in existence than any other type of space suit but even ROCOSMOS is looking at replacing them or where last time I looked into it the suits while cheap to make and functional are coming to the end of what can reasonably done with them when it comes to newer systems and compatabillity with modern advancements.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I'm with you on this for the most part but I honestly think it's worthwhile giving it a watch once the 1st season has finished it's broadcast, I'm not every going to be itnrested in Trek the same way again but it's back to that early 90's "It sorta scratches a itch that nothing else does when it comes to Sci-Fi" I had as a kid with TNG.

I'll avoid Disco like the plauge though, and picard unless I am feeling in a mood for some serious self abuse.

There's essentially two ways to go about it:
1) "You pissed me off with shitty products and an even worse attitude, I will boycott all your products, good day sir."
2) "You pissed me off with shitty products, but this new product is decent, so I incentivize you to make more of that by actually watching the product I enjoy."

Both are reasonable, it just depends on how pissed off you are or how low your threshold for spite is. If you don't incentivize products that you want, they won't get made.

What isn't reasonable though, are people hate-watching shit they know they will not enjoy, just to bitch about it online. It can be summed up as "I keep throwing money at these shitty products and there are just more and more released every week, how come?! Better throw some more money at these new shitty products as well!."
And as the old saying goes: Time is money. Even if it's a show that's """"free""" on a streaming platform one already uses, by giving it an audience, it means the people behind the product are incentivized to make more, given that it draws in such a large crowd of watchers. If 99% give it a bad review, it doesn't matter. 1 person less watching that crud is worth more than 100, that watch everything and leave a bad review.

Yea I think they took some serious IRL insperation from the Apollo era lunar landing suits, they had rank colour insignia ther suits also look like a descendant of a design NASA was playing around with a few years ago in a this isn't our next generation suit it's the one after, that's semi hardbody and can be put on by a single person and uses active support systems rather than what they do now the suits are all semi pressurised they are looking at making it into a active system where only the helmet is pressurised.

If you look at the current EMV suit used on the ISS missions along side the Russian Orlon Suit the EMV is clearly a descendant of the Apollo EVA suits used on the moon.

The Orlon Suit is big bulky and really low tech, but it has the advantage of being mass produced there are about 3 times more of them in existence than any other type of space suit but even ROCOSMOS is looking at replacing them or where last time I looked into it the suits while cheap to make and functional are coming to the end of what can reasonably done with them when it comes to newer systems and compatabillity with modern advancements.

It's also interesting to keep in mind that spacesuits are insanely expensive. Each spacesuit worn on a spaceshuttle mission was tailor made to the person wearing it - to the tune of several million dollars per suit.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

It's also interesting to keep in mind that spacesuits are insanely expensive. Each spacesuit worn on a spaceshuttle mission was tailor made to the person wearing it - to the tune of several million dollars per suit.

Yep and the Orlons where not exactly the same they had a few sizes that where adjustable with strapping and webbing inside the suit so they where slightly more flexible when it came to size but they never fit anybody right and it causes manoeuvrability problems in 0g Environments, they are cheap, functional but not great at anything they do.

The NASA designed suits are however, very good at the job they are designed to do but not as mission flexible and costly.

I think we are starting to get to the point where there are going to be independent designers of these suits in the next 10 - 20 years and it's going to be intresting to see what they come up with.

 

[Polyboros2]

Spoiler: Das Gorn Review

Yes, a very pithily titled episode, this episode was basically a submarine movie in spaaaaaace and also gave zero fucks as it knew exactly what it was doing. Every single trope you can think of when it comes to a submarine movie? Yeah they did it.

The reason everyone's so hot isn't because of tension it's because of the brown dwarf. So everyone has this horrible, grimy layer of sweat on them? Check.

Spock alters the navigation array into a radar leading to near silent moments where you can just hear the pings? Check.

Guy gets killed just as the bulkheads slam shut saving one of our hero characters? Check.

Tense moments as medical struggles to deal with everything? Check.

And I fucking loved it. :Story:

Decent cinematography from this episode again. Nicely done. Feeling a little less TV show of the 90s, though the steam coming from the vents was a bit silly coming from exactly two points for like half the episode. It's 2022 guys, you can shove a smoke machine somewhere and let it leak slowly out of various panel cracks and stuff and will look totally better.

Hemmer continues to please me with his grouchyness and Uhura was great and they bounce off eachother nicely, and shockingly we had something approaching a B plot with those two which was actually very nice to see.

"Archeological surgery" to justify stabbing people with thread and needle was good too.

Biggest fucking plus: Did not show how the sausage was made to heighten the threat level.

We've now seen Gorn Ships and a set that acts as a "Nursery planet" for them to hatch and feed more Gorn but we've not seen a single Gorn on screen so far. Not one, nada. Zip. Very good move and makes them more of an actual threat.

Minuses, Ortega's still a bit smug and while the whole "everyone works together because we're starfleet" is far stronger in this show, Ortega strikes me as too near to a loose cannon to be truly safe at the helm. She's obviously there as a modern sop of "cool character who barely tolerates the rules" and it'll date the show a touch in the future... but then chunks of TNG are hilariously dated to the point of quaintness now.

La'An seemingly remembering the necessary elemental deus ex machina which then went nowhere was also a bit dissapojnting. Feel like it should be used in some way somewhere more than merking another ship.

I would say this was the first episode I actually liked. It kinda slips at the end, but overall I enjoyed it.