Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Shamash said:
There is also the psychological damage. A Bronze Age society suddenly confronting interstellar civilization with technologies that look like magic, and science that they don’t even have the building blocks of the building blocks yet-will disorient, confuse, stun, upset, and shock the culture in question. “Oh wait the sun isn’t a deity that provides warmth to the crops, it’s just a big ball of fire”, “our world isn’t a great table at the gods’ footstool”-the effects of shattering the beliefs of the population, are bad enough there are also inter generational affects, and the obvious fact you have to bring the culture up to speed on science and technology is just a massive pain to deal with.

It is actually traumatic, and will cause no small amount of social crisis, spiritual crisis, a crisis of political authority, among other things.

Obviously the federation doesn’t want civilizations to remain in this state forever-they believe that scientific and technical progress should occur organically, that is without external interference beyond the world itself. That allows the society to change and grow with it, and yes that means wars, as ideas and values are spread, fought over, territories unified, laws codified, etc…

This is “natural” in the sense it happens without a more powerful artificial presence affecting it. It is the world and civilization as a distinct entity or system evolving on its own.

Is there are a lot of suffering in this process? Yes. And one can make an argument that “natural development of society is outweighed by preventing suffering”-which fine, make that argument. But then you are responsible for that civilization’s uplifting, and shepherding them to the stars.

And that is both a massive investment and extremely presumptuous and paternalistic.
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it's the "helping the butterfly from the cocoon" philosophy.
 
Shamash said:
FTL or warp travel seems to be the jump off point. The reasoning is sooner or later they will run into the interstellar community, so best introduce them to it when they can actually reach other worlds.

I suspect it varies in more anomalous cases-inter dimensional travel or beings, non standard FTL, the remnants or cast aways of lost civilizations, etc… in such cases-I suspect contact is made on a case by case basis. Hopefully with lots of consultation before doing so.

But in Star Trek warp travel seems to be the norm for FTL-though there are a lot of other FTL methods beyond the basic warp drive. Many that are being researched by the federation in the late 24th century-transwarp, slipstream, artificial wormholes, etc…
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The original The day the Earth Stood Still movie explained this better. As long as the humans and other species stay on their planets and do whatever it is not my problem. But as soon as humans and other species can travel into space, now they're my problem as they're in my neighborhood. Hence Earth getting visited and very bluntly told the laws of the land and what happens if the humans do or don't follow the law.
 
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The Federation: "Genetically engineering your child to correct his subnormal intelligence is illegal and we're sending you to prison for 2 years!"

Also the Federation: Genetically engineers children to the point where their immune systems murder everyone around them through rapid aging, develop telepathic abilities, and appear as grown adults at 12.

Shouldn't every scientist on Darwin Station have been thrown in prison?
 
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BIG BILL HELL'S said:
Kira: "We were a peaceful people!"

Also Kira: kills 30 spoon heads in one night by slitting their throats "for the lulz"
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IrishGuy088 said:
It made the least sense on Voyager.

You'd think there would be at least one woman on board that would want to be spit roasted.
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Voyager is a very nineties show. The characters aren't shown to be sexually-mature people. Kim seems actively repulsed by the idea of sex, Kes has the emotional maturity of a child, Janeway has to wait seven years to get a bona fide love interest (in "Workforce") and Paris goes from a non-conformist rebel to a good family man.

By the time of VOY, Berman has sold out, cashed in. It's characters like Naomi Wildman, Icheb, and Q2 who get the limelight.
 
You have the Pakleds which pulled a Mirror Universe Earth deal. Someone touched down, they immediately raided the ship. But because that's all they did, they never actually learned things like "engineering" and "science". So, maybe that's another problem with introducing those not ready for the tech.

JamesFargo said:
By the time of VOY, Berman has sold out, cashed in. It's characters like Naomi Wildman, Icheb, and Q2 who get the limelight.
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I thought the Borglings did alright in that episode where the ship had to go dark and they were being told ghost stories.

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They made the fucking Gorn Xenomorphs....
I'm out.
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They need a living host, they absorb some of the host DNA, and they spit acid...
 
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Flexo said:
wait... what? I need context. da faq?
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The Gorn, as they appear in SNW, are Xenomorphs. They require living hosts to incubate, they burst from the chest and back, they spit acid. But apparently they can reproduce very quickly by spitting that acid onto others, too. Meanwhile, they molt, crawl around ducts and tubes. They cling to walls just like Xenomorphs, and they jump scare like them.
 
Titan Lithos said:
The Gorn, as they appear in SNW, are Xenomorphs. They require living hosts to incubate, they burst from the chest and back, they spit acid. But apparently they can reproduce very quickly by spitting that acid onto others, too. Meanwhile, they molt, crawl around ducts and tubes. They cling to walls just like Xenomorphs, and they jump scare like them.
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Grand Wizard Wakka said:
I thought episode 9 of SNW was a really nuanced and progressive episode about the importance of abortion and how its the hosts' choice.
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Well any chance I was going to give that show is now gone. And I thought what Enterprise did was the worst the Gorn ever suffered...
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Even then, Enterprise was hampered by the tech limitations of mid 00s CGI, which makes it more forgivable.
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Oh definitely, but I still prefer cheap suits to that abomination.

But then I have a real fondness for how... 'alien' the original Gorn looked.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
The Federation: "Genetically engineering your child to correct his subnormal intelligence is illegal and we're sending you to prison for 2 years!"

Also the Federation: Genetically engineers children to the point where their immune systems murder everyone around them through rapid aging, develop telepathic abilities, and appear as grown adults at 12.

Shouldn't every scientist on Darwin Station have been thrown in prison?
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iirc everybody on the Enterprise was appalled at what the station was doing
 
XYZpdq said:
iirc everybody on the Enterprise was appalled at what the station was doing
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They didn't seem nearly as appalled as they should be. Hell, Pulaski seemed to be creaming herself over the freaks.

Would make for a nice short. A Starfleet vessel approaches Darwin Station and the captain tells the ship to hail them, audio transmission only, one way.
"Darwin Station, this is Captain Haru Nakamura of the USS Oppenheimer. I regret to inform you that under Starfleet General Order 24 your station has been deemed an unacceptable biological threat to the galaxy and is to be destroyed. I'm sorry. Lieutenant Hardwick, target their reactor section and fire a spread of photon torpedos."
 
XYZpdq said:
iirc everybody on the Enterprise was appalled at what the station was doing
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I assumed the reason why genetic engineering was allowed in this particular case was because it was sanctioned by the Federation council. Medical advances do require experimentation, after all. In the Bashir's case, they were private citizens who were not conducting research.
 
Titan Lithos said:
The Gorn, as they appear in SNW, are Xenomorphs. They require living hosts to incubate, they burst from the chest and back, they spit acid. But apparently they can reproduce very quickly by spitting that acid onto others, too. Meanwhile, they molt, crawl around ducts and tubes. They cling to walls just like Xenomorphs, and they jump scare like them.
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:story: "This show is such a breath of fresh air...Star Trek is BAAAAACK, BABY!"
 
There was a reason I was putting off giving this show a chance. Outright plagiarism and unnecessary retcons are a sure sign of a lack of creative integrity.
 
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