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XYZpdq said:
iirc everybody on the Enterprise was appalled at what the station was doing
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They shouldn't be appalled, they should start arresting people.

The idea of "engineered super children" is very 80s, but is still funny that they forgot.
 
Hello friends. I was hoping that maybe you could help me find my mommy.

Her name is Samantha Wildman and she has been missing for a while. She told me she was going out to get a pack of plasma inverters and a gallon of bio-neural gel but never came home.
 
Important point though is that they're immature gorn. They say repeatedly that they need to kill them before they finish their larval battle royale and one has time to mature, so presumably adults are still full bipeds. These were less than a day old.

I don't mind the addition, I'm all for making goofy trek antagonists scary again. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise since I rant about fixing the borg on a regular basis.
I would mind plagiarism except that it's solidly in homage territory and all the weird references in the season leading up to this had me ready (seriously, there's been an Alien quote in every episode).
And maybe it's partly because Orville's shitty Alien knockoff last week left me with a bad taste but I quite enjoyed this one. RIP the best character though.

Tasty Tatty said:
Their main reason seems to be human history proving, they claim, that advanced civilizations meeting new ones always ended in disaster. But now, there are more people changing their minds about the specific relationship between Spain and America and how different it is from the so-called "official story" of genocide and exploitation that never happened. Of course, this wasn't a thing people knew or talked about at the time of TOS and TNG.
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I vastly prefer it when it's a Federation thing rather than a Starfleet thing, it's pretty much the deal with meeting the Vulcans after all. Since the real reason was always the Fermi question of how the show could have all these idiot niggas with shit glued to their faces running around up there and none of said idiots ever contacting Earth it makes more sense and is better framed as a general space wisdom.
 
Gimmick Account said:
Important point though is that they're immature gorn. They say repeatedly that they need to kill them before they finish their larval battle royale and one has time to mature, so presumably adults are still full bipeds. These were less than a day old.

I don't mind the addition, I'm all for making goofy trek antagonists scary again. I'd be a hypocrite otherwise since I rant about fixing the borg on a regular basis.
I would mind plagiarism except that it's solidly in homage territory and all the weird references in the season leading up to this had me ready (seriously, there's been an Alien quote in every episode).
And maybe it's partly because Orville's shitty Alien knockoff last week left me with a bad taste but I quite enjoyed this one. RIP the best character though.
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It's not making the gorn scarier I object to (though bad CGI still bugs me), but the needless continuity headache this now introduces. The original gorn episode had the colony wiped out and the enterprise crew vaporized on contact with the enemy. WTF would a species that has to use hosts to reproduce disintegrate potential incubators and kill off scores more? It would make far more sense for them to have functioned as raiders, snatching potential hosts to take back for larva to infect.

I mean it was done in ANDROMEDA and was already smarter there.
 
Too Many Catgirls said:
Hello friends. I was hoping that maybe you could help me find my mommy.

Her name is Samantha Wildman and she has been missing for a while. She told me she was going out to get a pack of plasma inverters and a gallon of bio-neural gel but never came home.
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We're your mommy and daddy now.

mommy and daddy.jpeg
 
Flexo said:
WTF would a species that has to use hosts to reproduce disintegrate potential incubators and kill off scores more? It would make far more sense for them to have functioned as raiders, snatching potential hosts to take back for larva to infect.
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It works fine, I think. They're like space orks: they just like fightin, that's more important than reproducin. Which is in line with the fact that they kill each other all day to prove who's the orkiest.
Presumably since they're good at it, hence everyone being shit-scared of them, there's no shortage of flesh sacks to grab whenever they feel like having more.

I'm actually glad that fighting-first attribute has survived all the bullshit since that's like the one and only characteristic they had in TOS.

I probably would have preferred the idea the earlier episodes conjured of them lizard-jizzing in the abdomens of prisoners hanging on meat hooks but this works too, I guess.
 
Gimmick Account said:
It works fine, I think. They're like space orks: they just like fightin, that's more important than reproducin. Which is in line with the fact that they kill each other all day to prove who's the orkiest.
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It doesn't work at all! A species that likes fighting more than making more (especially if they require outside help for the latter) would be wiped out by natural selection within 3 generations (possibly less).

Even the original Alien franchise had the xenomorphs prioritizing kidnapping breeding stock over food/murder in the original 2 movies (well... Alien 1 director cut) and most expanded material.
 
thinking a bit more about Prime Directiving it could probably make for a good miniseries of a ship tasked to catch up with a captain who went rogue and goes around constantly intervening, and each planet they try to figure out what he did, and see the mixed results of his attempts
sorta like Heart of Darkness but not
 
Flexo said:
It doesn't work at all! A species that likes fighting more than making more (especially if they require outside help for the latter) would be wiped out by natural selection within 3 generations (possibly less).

Even the original Alien franchise had the xenomorphs prioritizing kidnapping breeding stock over food/murder in the original 2 movies (well... Alien 1 director cut) and most expanded material.
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They're intelligent though, not animals. Humans prioritise just about literally everything over fucking (obviously not the quantum omegachads like us who spend all day talking about star trek, but that's what a martian would think of our society overall) but we'll still enter the bone zone after a big war or whatever.

Xenomorphs aren't even a natural species: they're a designed bioweapon. But at the same time the screenwriters did intend them to be a kind of evolutionarily perfect carnivore, yeah. That duality is possible because it's fiction; our Star Trek heroes encounter planets full of races too stupid to live every third episode, and in real life everybody would mock vulcans relentlessly for being constipated schitzo spergs, so even if the gorn really were dumb animals they'd still have that same narrative license.

Edit: also keep in mind that part of the original gorn gimmick is that reptiles seem like inscrutable assholes to us. It's not strange for animals that have big broods to eat their young (even some that don't: bears are a good example of favouring your own genes over the species as a whole, which works because they're apex), and these guys just need to spit on you.
 
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Too Many Catgirls said:
Hello friends. I was hoping that maybe you could help me find my mommy.

Her name is Samantha Wildman and she has been missing for a while. She told me she was going out to get a pack of plasma inverters and a gallon of bio-neural gel but never came home.
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By the way, if the goofy alien chef invites you on his cool 1:1 replica of an Earth island in the holodeck, do not follow him. Call security.
 
God fucking damn it, the one fucking thing I liked about this show was FUCKING HEMMER and they fucking chucked him out the cargo bay to give the Nigcadet the fucking motivation to stay in Star Fleet. God fucking damn it I was liking this show.

Episode 9: 🎩🎩🎩
 
Polyboros2 said:
God fucking damn it, the one fucking thing I liked about this show was FUCKING HEMMER and they fucking chucked him out the cargo bay to give the Nigcadet the fucking motivation to stay in Star Fleet. God fucking damn it I was liking this show.

Episode 9: 🎩🎩🎩
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He was the best character. That's it. Fuck this show.

Very disappointing. Worst episode ever.
 
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Exceptionally Exceptional said:
They didn't seem nearly as appalled as they should be. Hell, Pulaski seemed to be creaming herself over the freaks.

Would make for a nice short. A Starfleet vessel approaches Darwin Station and the captain tells the ship to hail them, audio transmission only, one way.
"Darwin Station, this is Captain Haru Nakamura of the USS Oppenheimer. I regret to inform you that under Starfleet General Order 24 your station has been deemed an unacceptable biological threat to the galaxy and is to be destroyed. I'm sorry. Lieutenant Hardwick, target their reactor section and fire a spread of photon torpedos."
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9 out of 10 imperial inquisitors approve of this post.

The other 1 is a Chaos-dabbling radical who thinks Janeway was too much of a stickler for the rules.
 
You know, a lot of people hated the Vorta, but I actually didn't mind them too much. Specifically Weyoun.

Weyoun's various incarnations were actually kind of likable at times, but that might be entirely down to him being played by Jeffrey Combs.
The way he actually seemed amused at how Dukat and Sisko were making subtle threats at each other, him downing the poisoned Kanar and commenting "That really is quite toxic!", the fact that he sampled the entire replicator menu just because he found the textures interesting, his constant attempts to be amicable even towards his enemies, I honestly found him a lot more tolerable than most of the other Vorta we see in the show.
 
I'm rewatching Endgame and I had to laugh out loud at the part where the Borg Queen is also watching the series finale of Voyager from her throne room.

You can't make this shit up.
 
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