Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[BScCollateral]

The attack on Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war certainly wasn't "out of the blue", in both cases the US was pursuing a "short of war" policy. Fun fact: at one point the Bismark was spotted by an American pilot training British pilots how to fly a Catalina.
That did not justify either action taken by the Axis powers, actions which likely were the only possible way to bring the US into the war as an opponent. Serves 'em right.

 

[make_it_so]

To put it in Star Trek terms - World War II for the US was like the Dominion War for the Federation. They really didn't want to get involved, their key principle was isolation and diplomacy, but it was getting pretty apparent that sooner or later the continued encroach of the aggressor powers was going to back them into a corner and so they had to take a side eventually. It's just that Japan's (and later Germany's) belligerence just happened to give them a justified reason for finally entering the conflict.

 

[tigergrinder]

Spotted this as I was watching "Loud as a Whisper".

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

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Spotted this as I was watching "Loud as a Whisper".

The Federation Database has been vandalized by far-right Maquis trolls.

 

[ProfDongs]

The Federation Database has been vandalized by far-right Maquis trolls.

That's the 24th century version of the okay sign.

 

[Evil Peter Griffin]

To put it in Star Trek terms - World War II for the US was like the Dominion War for the Federation. They really didn't want to get involved, their key principle was isolation and diplomacy, but it was getting pretty apparent that sooner or later the continued encroach of the aggressor powers was going to back them into a corner and so they had to take a side eventually. It's just that Japan's (and later Germany's) belligerence just happened to give them a justified reason for finally entering the conflict.

Then America made a super virus to kill all the Germans. But one doctor and one engineer didn't like that so they tortured a CIA agent for the cure. America gave them the cure and there was peace.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Started listening to the Shuttlepod Show as background gaming noise

Listened to three episodes so far , John Billingsley ( Phlox ), Andrew Robinson Garak ), and Gary Graham ( Soval )

So far the only one that hasn't given off degen vibes is Gary Graham.

Connor Trinneer has put on some weight and Dominic Keating has greasy , almost troonesque hair + some kind of sad attempt at a goatee.

Apparently Andrew Robinson has talked Simon & Schuster into finally letting him do an audio version of his Garak book , A Stitch in Time.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Andrew Robinson has talked Simon & Schuster into finally letting him do an audio version of his Garak book , A Stitch in Time.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

 

[Kerr Avon]

Started listening to the Shuttlepod Show as background gaming noise

Listened to three episodes so far , John Billingsley ( Phlox ), Andrew Robinson Garak ), and Gary Graham ( Soval )

So far the only one that hasn't given off degen vibes is Gary Graham.

Connor Trinneer has put on some weight and Dominic Keating has greasy , almost troonesque hair + some kind of sad attempt at a goatee.

Apparently Andrew Robinson has talked Simon & Schuster into finally letting him do an audio version of his Garak book , A Stitch in Time.

Listened to the Vaughn Armstrong ( Admiral Forrest) and Jeff Coombs ( Shran ) episodes

Coombs was kinda bland

Armstrong was boring except for some smutty flick he was in called Cinderella 2000 ( NSFW ).

@XYZpdq Jr. Ya , I hope he doesn't add on more / explicit slash shit

 

[Burt Ryan]

So I finished DS9 last week and it was absolutely amazing. The documentary What We Left Behind was really good.

Gul Dukat is the best Trek villain, his relationship with Sisko is just amazing, and Waltz is one of my favourite episodes with him. And I'm re-evaluating Die Hard 2 since William Sadler was amazing as Sloan.

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

So I finished DS9 last week and it was absolutely amazing. The documentary What We Left Behind was really good.

Gul Dukat is the best Trek villain, his relationship with Sisko is just amazing, and Waltz is one of my favourite episodes with him. And I'm re-evaluating Die Hard 2 since William Sadler was amazing as Sloan.

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I really wish Section 31 was left in DS9 'cause they brought them back in Discovery (which I don't consider canon) and in the spin off books and went off on some pretty wild tangents i.e. something about the AI controlling the entire federation and orchestrating large scale events in the alpha quadrant or some such bullshit like that. Bill Sadler played Sloan really well, but I think the concept was just a one trick pony.

 

[Uranus Pink]

One trick pony by making Section 31 unambiguously evil instead of having them do whatever is necessary to protect the Federation. Whether it is saving or killing a single person or other that would've ran afoul of the Prime Directive.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

So I finished DS9 last week and it was absolutely amazing. The documentary What We Left Behind was really good.

Gul Dukat is the best Trek villain, his relationship with Sisko is just amazing, and Waltz is one of my favourite episodes with him. And I'm re-evaluating Die Hard 2 since William Sadler was amazing as Sloan.

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>Gul Dukat
>villain
you poor thing, you must have been distracted by the flashy idiot Federation and those stupid ignorant Bajorans

 

[polyester]

One trick pony by making Section 31 unambiguously evil instead of having them do whatever is necessary to protect the Federation.

I don't remember it as an unambiguously evil organization in DS9 - more one that had noble goals (protecting the Federation), but took "the ends justify the means" too far and lacked accountability/oversight.
Or do you mean in WokeTrek? (I haven't watched that.)

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

>Gul Dukat
>villain
you poor thing, you must have been distracted by the flashy idiot Federation and those stupid ignorant Bajorans

I still find it amusing to this day that Dukat was so well received that the writers had to go full super-villain mode to try and get the fans to hate him...which didn't really work.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I don't remember it as an unambiguously evil organization in DS9 - more one that had noble goals (protecting the Federation), but took "the ends justify the means" too far and lacked accountability/oversight.

How the writers of DS9 wrote Section 31, there's isn't much ambiguity on whether Section 31 are the villains. Plus even by that time "the ends justify the means" outside of comedy is code for evil. As for lack of accountability/oversight with the shit Sisko had done, pot calling kettle black.

Or do you mean in WokeTrek? (I haven't watched that.)

Haven't watched it.

 

[UnKillFill]

Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I still find it amusing to this day that Dukat was so well received that the writers had to go full super-villain mode to try and get the fans to hate him...which didn't really work.

his character arc sorta reminds me of Char from First to Zeta to CCA

they also have the problem with Dukat that the Bajorans really end up being a pile of backwards goddamn savages every time they get the chance, cowering at the special effects smoke monster that Obrien stops, getting into wars over some crappy stream, all their religious infighting, that time Ye Olde Emissary showed up and they started chucking each other off bridges because MUH CASTE.
I'm not sure if the writers were really brilliant at shades of grey or just didn't really think things through

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

his character arc sorta reminds me of Char from First to Zeta to CCA

they also have the problem with Dukat that the Bajorans really end up being a pile of backwards goddamn savages every time they get the chance, cowering at the special effects smoke monster that Obrien stops, getting into wars over some crappy stream, all their religious infighting, that time Ye Olde Emissary showed up and they started chucking each other off bridges because MUH CASTE.
I'm not sure if the writers were really brilliant at shades of grey or just didn't really think things through

Ya the writers were kind of all over the place with the Bajorans. A lot of people don't like them all that much. I'm more ambivalent, they and the prophets were ultimately the vehicle to get Sisko on the road to Godhood which doesn't bother me all that much.

 

[Michael Wade]

his character arc sorta reminds me of Char from First to Zeta to CCA

they also have the problem with Dukat that the Bajorans really end up being a pile of backwards goddamn savages every time they get the chance, cowering at the special effects smoke monster that Obrien stops, getting into wars over some crappy stream, all their religious infighting, that time Ye Olde Emissary showed up and they started chucking each other off bridges because MUH CASTE.
I'm not sure if the writers were really brilliant at shades of grey or just didn't really think things through

Char is the only other character I can think of with an arc that even comes close to being as good. Dukat is so much better though because it actually shows what made him decide genocide was the answer. Char just kinda becomes evil after an offscreen period of time

Dukat Legit works amazingly if you consider him a guy who genuinely wants and think's he's doing the right thing up until he goes insane. He's also got the kirk ego, but he's let it overcome his common sense, and he doesn't have a spock or bones to keep him in line He's only got yes man Damar.