Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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What if there's no changing the past via time travel the "Back to the Future way" in the Star Trek world, with any of that really being alternate timeline?

(which would mean any changes in one timeline were part of that timeline all along)
which is always the philosophical question, if we change the timeline, does the original timeline still exists? even if we know what's gonna happen, that's a different future in this timeline since the conditions are different, so does that future really exist anymore?

back to the future "solved" it by showing there can only ever be one timeline (with the people in the photograph slowly disappearing), in star trek it's never really explained iirc - the whole prime/kelvin/whatever timelines mainly exist for marketing reasons (mirror universe was always some "what if" gag-episode material so the writers and actors could go balls to the walls compared to dry and serious trek. one of the reasons STD is so retarded).

otherwise if we would have to accept there's a timeline for every decision we (didn't) make, and that's such a clusterfuck we're outright in quantum leap territory where archer never becomes captain and stars as a TV actor...
 
there's a timeline for every decision we (didn't) make
That's the premise of the "Parallels" TNG episode.

DATA: For any event, there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcomes will follow. But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that can happen, do happen in alternate quantum realities.

WORF: And somehow I have been shifting from one reality to another.

DATA: That is correct.
(I may not be exactly comfortable with the "Many-Worlds Interpretation" of quantum mechanics. There can be disturbing implications.)
 
You might be the only person here interested.
I can see that. Was Strange New Worlds that poorly received? For the little I saw, read and heard of Discovery, and after seeing Picard, I think SNW is a lot better than the two of them combined.

Also following Michelle Yeoh's win at the Golden Globes, Paramount+ confirms that the Section 31 show is still in development. Fuck.

I remember the Abrams version of Section 31, where they fight against 'Khan', which to this day I still believe they could have salvaged that movies, by making him more similar to Bashir, smarter, quick reflexes, quick thinking instead of the super-strong and brute Khan Noonien Singh.
 
Also following Michelle Yeoh's win at the Golden Globes, Paramount+ confirms that the Section 31 show is still in development. Fuck.
They probably had a schizo moment where the producers/Paramount are ripping hollywood lines high-fiving each other saying holy shit lets ride off this Golden Globes win, full steam ahead maybe we get an academy award too fuck yeah...

And then they see the Witcher spin-off and start to get a wee bit worried but hell, no such thing as bad publicity right and it's not like it's Crouching Tiger lady's fault... right?

But who am I kidding, the amount of mouth-breathing morons that absolutely don't give a shit and consume nuTrek is multitude and they'll eat this garbage up too.
 
They probably had a schizo moment where the producers/Paramount are ripping hollywood lines high-fiving each other saying holy shit lets ride off this Golden Globes win, full steam ahead maybe we get an academy award too fuck yeah...

And then they see the Witcher spin-off and start to get a wee bit worried but hell, no such thing as bad publicity right and it's not like it's Crouching Tiger lady's fault... right?

But who am I kidding, the amount of mouth-breathing morons that absolutely don't give a shit and consume nuTrek is multitude and they'll eat this garbage up too.
Like with any major media company, Paramount is very desperate for money and viewership. Why else would they milk their IPs like Star Trek, SpongeBob, Paranormal Activity, Transformers, etc.? Picard is, no mistake, a shitty show, yet it was successful because consoomers will fall for everything with the intellectual brand name. This is literally the same with the bullshit Halo series. It's godawful, and (like with most other video game-based shows or movies) it's a bastardization of the Halo name (and this is a Microsoft IP that also ruined the franchise during the 2010s onward) yet it was successful enough to move forward with a second season.
 
Season 4 will be Stewart pulling a full Cameron Mitchell and filming all his scenes sitting down in his home office. Or will they make Star Fleet issued walkers canon?
They can just give Picard one of these:
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"Beep, Beep". And it would improve the acting considerably.
 
Like with any major media company, Paramount is very desperate for money and viewership. Why else would they milk their IPs like Star Trek, SpongeBob, Paranormal Activity, Transformers, etc.? Picard is, no mistake, a shitty show, yet it was successful because consoomers will fall for everything with the intellectual brand name. This is literally the same with the bullshit Halo series. It's godawful, and (like with most other video game-based shows or movies) it's a bastardization of the Halo name (and this is a Microsoft IP that also ruined the franchise during the 2010s onward) yet it was successful enough to move forward with a second season.
wasn't halo S2 greenlit before S1 even aired? or I might confuse it with some other trashheap. either way stuff like that doesn't always follow common sense, paramount is probably riding the star trek train since I don't think they even have anything else notorious high profile enough to sell that service.

blackrock money also seems to be drying up with everyone getting ready for the incoming shitstorm, so who knows how long it's gonna keep going, especially since it usually has a lot if inertia and embedded rot
 
Dukat Legit works amazingly if you consider him a guy who genuinely wants and think's he's doing the right thing up until he goes insane. He's also got the kirk ego, but he's let it overcome his common sense, and he doesn't have a spock or bones to keep him in line He's only got yes man Damar.
Damar was a good man and he died defending what he loved, Cardassia.
He was a Hero who not only risked everything he got, he also paid the price, piece by piece till the end. He didnt break when they killed his family, he only got more motivated and grim.



I also cried while watching soldiers of the empire. Its just a fantastic story.
I will never forgive what they took from us.
 
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Been rewatching TOS and TNG and it hit me. The TNG episode Darmok is a subversion if the TOS episode Arena.

In Arena Kirk is kidnapped from his ship, dumped on a planet, and forced to fight an alien to the death.

In Darmok Picard is kidnapped from his ship, dumped on a planet, and forced to learn cooperation and communication with an alien he cannot understand.

Never really caught that until now.
 
Been rewatching TOS and TNG and it hit me. The TNG episode Darmok is a subversion if the TOS episode Arena.

In Arena Kirk is kidnapped from his ship, dumped on a planet, and forced to fight an alien to the death.

In Darmok Picard is kidnapped from his ship, dumped on a planet, and forced to learn cooperation and communication with an alien he cannot understand.

Never really caught that until now.
That's a good observation and a clever way of showing the differences between the captains. I wonder how they would fuck this plot up in the new shows.
 
That's a good observation and a clever way of showing the differences between the captains. I wonder how they would fuck this plot up in the new shows.
The alien would lecture Kirk and Picard via interpretative dance about their inherent space white privilege.
 
I can see that. Was Strange New Worlds that poorly received? For the little I saw, read and heard of Discovery, and after seeing Picard, I think SNW is a lot better than the two of them combined.
Chuck was pretty positive about it.

Though admittedly we are grading on a HEAVY curve set by Discovery.
 
Chuck was pretty positive about it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pZyIQgIBV0k
Though admittedly we are grading on a HEAVY curve set by Discovery.
Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks for that matter, have episodic plots and sci-fi set pieces that would fit classic Trek, but is also very melodramatic in the "I'm have a deep dark past and I'm emotionally damaged from it" way as opposed to the Shatner style overacting melodrama of TOS. It also heavily relies crew members throwing emotional shit fits at each other as a source of conflict which wasn't much of a thing in TOS or TNG. In the old shows the idea was in the future people would be able to put their interpersonal conflicts to one side and do their jobs. Those who couldn't were generally portrayed as antagonists. In SNW there is more drama between crew members than a bunch of high school students working at a Denny's.

Personally, I'm not a fan of those things, but I wouldn't say SNW is by any means a bad show. It's probably the best you can expect from a franchise like Star Trek in the current year.
 
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