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Never Scored said:
Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks for that matter, have episodic plots and sci-fi set pieces that would fit classic Trek, but is also very melodramatic in the "I'm have a deep dark past and I'm emotionally damaged from it" way as opposed to the Shatner style overacting melodrama of TOS. It also heavily relies crew members throwing emotional shit fits at each other as a source of conflict which wasn't much of a thing in TOS or TNG. In the old shows the idea was in the future people would be able to put their interpersonal conflicts to one side and do their jobs. Those who couldn't were generally portrayed as antagonists. In SNW there is more drama between crew members than a bunch of high school students working at a Denny's.

Personally, I'm not a fan of those things, but I wouldn't say SNW is by any means a bad show. It's probably the best you can expect from a franchise like Star Trek in the current year.
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So you're saying TOS and TNG crews acted like professional military naval crews and SNW and LD are written by retards who have no idea what discipline and professionalism are?
 
White Devil said:
So you're saying TOS and TNG crews acted like professional military naval crews and SNW and LD are written by retards who have no idea what discipline and professionalism are?
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Pretty much. They are retards who have no idea what discipline and professionalism are who can still manage pull a decent science-fiction plot device out of their ass every couple of episodes.
 
Never Scored said:
Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks for that matter, have episodic plots and sci-fi set pieces that would fit classic Trek, but is also very melodramatic in the "I'm have a deep dark past and I'm emotionally damaged from it" way as opposed to the Shatner style overacting melodrama of TOS. It also heavily relies crew members throwing emotional shit fits at each other as a source of conflict which wasn't much of a thing in TOS or TNG. In the old shows the idea was in the future people would be able to put their interpersonal conflicts to one side and do their jobs. Those who couldn't were generally portrayed as antagonists. In SNW there is more drama between crew members than a bunch of high school students working at a Denny's.

Personally, I'm not a fan of those things, but I wouldn't say SNW is by any means a bad show. It's probably the best you can expect from a franchise like Star Trek in the current year.
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White Devil said:
So you're saying TOS and TNG crews acted like professional military naval crews and SNW and LD are written by retards who have no idea what discipline and professionalism are?
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I love how in both quotes DS9, which had a season-wide quadrant sized conflict with millions and millions of victims on all sides, is not mentioned, where a lot of characters had very deep emotional scenes (Worf in the episode Change of Heart, choosing to save Jadzia over making contact with the Cardassian rebel, and thus forfeiting his future in Starfleet for his decision.).

And it goes right back to my point in the RLM thread of "Making Star Trek boring again... by hiring the people that do not want to be associated with Hollywood in 2023".
 
Burt Ryan said:
I love how in both quotes DS9, which had a season-wide quadrant sized conflict with millions and millions of victims on all sides, is not mentioned, where a lot of characters had very deep emotional scenes (Worf in the episode Change of Heart, choosing to save Jadzia over making contact with the Cardassian rebel, and thus forfeiting his future in Starfleet for his decision.).

And it goes right back to my point in the RLM thread of "Making Star Trek boring again... by hiring the people that do not want to be associated with Hollywood in 2023".
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Nigger, I'm not reading the rlm thread just to see whatever autistic point you made.

And DS9 didn't need to be mentioned because DS9 owns.
 
Burt Ryan said:
where a lot of characters had very deep emotional scenes
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And they even point out that there's a time and place for such things.

Weird how a bunch of ACTORS can't figure out that people in charge might do a little ACTING themselves for the sake of their underlings.
 
Burt Ryan said:
I love how in both quotes DS9, which had a season-wide quadrant sized conflict with millions and millions of victims on all sides, is not mentioned, where a lot of characters had very deep emotional scenes (Worf in the episode Change of Heart, choosing to save Jadzia over making contact with the Cardassian rebel, and thus forfeiting his future in Starfleet for his decision.).

And it goes right back to my point in the RLM thread of "Making Star Trek boring again... by hiring the people that do not want to be associated with Hollywood in 2023".
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There is actually one episode of DS9 that feels exactly like SNW. I recently watched Valiant again and the writing for red squad in this episode is hilariously similar to how the write the actual adult starfleet characters in the new show.

The characters are all snarky and sarcastic, they crack jokes on the bridge and clap and cheer when they score a hit against the enemy, the captain even gives a big rousing emotional speech before their mission full of empty platitudes. The difference between these characters and the characters on nutrek though is that red squad is a bunch of idiot children who end up getting murdered by the dominion for fucking around and finding out during wartime. Watching this one now it almost plays like an intentional parody and really highlights how immature the new characters act. It truly aged like a fine wine.
 
White Devil said:
Nigger, I'm not reading the rlm thread just to see whatever autistic point you made.

And DS9 didn't need to be mentioned because DS9 owns.
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I did copy my excerpt from the RLM thread, regarding the hiring of the old writers.
 
Great President of McHell said:
The characters are all snarky and sarcastic, they crack jokes on the bridge and clap and cheer when they score a hit against the enemy, the captain even gives a big rousing emotional speech before their mission full of empty platitudes. The difference between these characters and the characters on nutrek though is that red squad is a bunch of idiot children who end up getting murdered by the dominion for fucking around and finding out during wartime. Watching this one now it almost plays like an intentional parody and really highlights how immature the new characters act. It truly aged like a fine wine.
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Extra ironic because rumors are it was an intentional parody of the "kid heroes" trope in scifi.

That it's now go on to parody it's own franchise... says plenty.

Double posting because this is awesome.

Lego DS9
 
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BIG BILL HELL'S said:
P.S. BUY SOME FUCKING LIGHT BULBS ALREADY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE AFFORD TO PROPERLY LIGHT A SET???
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This is hilarious / sad to me. You know what you do when people need to do complex work like engineering and safely walk down hallways and work in cargo areas... give them LIGHT. TNG Red Alert, well lit bridge and red blinky lights. Strange New Worlds: No lights save some bright lights at eye level and the entire supply of red LED strip lights from wherever they buy their LED strip lights.
 
Flexo said:
And they even point out that there's a time and place for such things.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1HSJtJZLyls
Weird how a bunch of ACTORS can't figure out that people in charge might do a little ACTING themselves for the sake of their underlings.
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oh ffs stop make miss good trek!

davids877 said:
The Picard trailer for season 3 you have all been waiting for has arrived...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lw0pg11OzCQ
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says video unavailable for me, guess it's that bad.

and comments are disabled, of course.
 
ZMOT said:
oh ffs stop make miss good trek!


says video unavailable for me, guess it's that bad.

and comments are disabled, of course.
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Are you on a VPN? I am and it says the same.
 
According to Computing Forever, Season 3 is ok'ish, as in is not spectacularly bad and it's more like TNG than the two previous seasons. Still won't watch it, though. Maybe I would try at least the first episode if it is indeed a good season, but I honestly doubt it because 1. I've become apathetic towards reboots and remakes of the franchises I like, 2. I rather don't give these people any attention.


Now, Terry Matalas apparently wants him to watch the first six episodes...


Never Scored said:
Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks for that matter, have episodic plots and sci-fi set pieces that would fit classic Trek, but is also very melodramatic in the "I'm have a deep dark past and I'm emotionally damaged from it" way as opposed to the Shatner style overacting melodrama of TOS. It also heavily relies crew members throwing emotional shit fits at each other as a source of conflict which wasn't much of a thing in TOS or TNG. In the old shows the idea was in the future people would be able to put their interpersonal conflicts to one side and do their jobs. Those who couldn't were generally portrayed as antagonists. In SNW there is more drama between crew members than a bunch of high school students working at a Denny's.
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Remember when Deanna Troi lost her Betazoid powers and her tantrum was seen as negative, even though she was justified to be mad about it? Riker was the only one sympathetic, but he did it due to their closeness. The rest of the crew wanted her to get over with it and move on focusing on the skill she still had . At the end, they all were right because Deanna solved the "mystery" without using her powers, only her instincts (with help of Data).

It's not like they aren't allowed to vent and to have feelings, but whenever they do, they're always told to save it for their private life, not while they're in duty. When Deanna yelled at Beverly, we all saw it as Deanna disrespecting Beverly, a fellow officer and colleague, because we all knew it was not her fault and Deanna was being (justifiable) emotional and allowing her emotions control her. That's something that was always a present theme, and the reaction was "control yourself".
 
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