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Tom Myers said:
Finally watched it and it was alright.

I see lots of talk about Capt Shaw but he's basically Admiral Jellico.
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Jellico was a hardass but he wasn't this outright awful like Shaw is. You have to remember as well that Jellico was called in to handle a very dangerous and delicate situation which his conduct was appropriate for, Despite the crews annoyance with him you see him skillfully handle the conflict and you understand why he took that approach with the Enterprise in the first place.

Shaw on the other hand is a unreasonably disrespectful asshole for basically no reason, not just to Picard and Riker but also his relationship with Seven seems extremely antagonistic. Whats the purpose of having her as a first officer is he doesn't trust her at all? If I was an underling on that ship I'd be very worried. Its comparable to how Sisko and Kira interacted with each other in the first season of DS9, except in that case it made sense since it was a Starfleet commander being forced to work with a literal terrorist for political reasons, not exactly the kind of dynamic you want on a regular Starfleet vessel!

Even if they are planning on doing a heel turn and having Shaw become sympathetic to their cause or have some secret reason for being such a cunt, the extremity of how they've portrayed this character in the first episode to set up that potential rug pull is forced and laughable. Jellico is a believable character, Shaw feels like a narrative pawn.
 
Great President of McHell said:
Jellico was a hardass but he wasn't this outright awful like Shaw is. You have to remember as well that Jellico was called in to handle a very dangerous and delicate situation which his conduct was appropriate for, Despite the crews annoyance with him you see him skillfully handle the conflict and you understand why he took that approach with the Enterprise in the first place.

Shaw on the other hand is a unreasonably disrespectful asshole for basically no reason, not just to Picard and Riker but also his relationship with Seven seems extremely antagonistic. Whats the purpose of having her as a first officer is he doesn't trust her at all? If I was an underling on that ship I'd be very worried. Its comparable to how Sisko and Kira interacted with each other in the first season of DS9, except in that case it made sense since it was a Starfleet commander being forced to work with a literal terrorist for political reasons, not exactly the kind of dynamic you want on a regular Starfleet vessel!

Even if they are planning on doing a heel turn and having Shaw become sympathetic to their cause or have some secret reason for being such a cunt, the extremity of how they've portrayed this character in the first episode to set up that potential rug pull is forced and laughable. Jellico is a believable character, Shaw feels like a narrative pawn.
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I got you, but this is Nu Trek, all of the nuance is gone. For better or worse(definitely worse), this is the last and best analog we're going to get.

I'm going to watch every episode of this season even though I know the plot layout of Nu Trek. A mystery in the first episode that never pays off. The secret of the OG Trek and TNG series is that it was built on episodic. Keep it episodic Morty, simple adventures.
 
I haven't yet watched the episode except for a few clips, and I think the best way to explain it so far is that this is an average TNG episode rewritten by untalented woke people.

I've seen a lot of people commenting on how it's ooc for Riker to mock Geordi's daughter, but I disagree. That's a very Riker thing to do... the difference is that he would have been more subtle about it and then reaffirmed her and encouraged her and be welcoming. But the core of the character is there. He's more outspoken than his close colleagues, less diplomatic, and almost aggressive even when he's being welcoming. And he likes to mock and tease others.

Or, rather than being (only) wokenized, it's been written with "modern sensitivities", which ain't any better. They don't get the subtle TNG humor that the original show had. Instead, we need to see bad Marvelian jokes because that's what they think the audience expects them to show. ST people don't speak like us because they are not like us. Specially the military, who are more formal about their education and overall behavior as they aren't exposed to trash pop culture since they're kids. Geordi doesn't speak like the ordinary jogger, he reads the classics like everybody else. Their vocabulary is richer than the average modern person.
 
All the reviewers gushing about this so far, already proclaiming Trek is back and better than ever, when it hasn't seemed any diff than like the first episode of each of the prior seasons. Yeah, nothing "OMG THIS ALONE RUINED STAR TREK!" yet, but neither did the first episode of the prior two seasons. Having lolbeverlycrusher be a one woman killer army rambo would normally be something these people criticize. Ditto with Picard being treated as this trickstery rogue with a reputation as a maverick troublemaker.

But hey, lots of memberberry references, and the old hwite guy hasn't been humiliated yet, which seems to be the only thing these nerd review channels ever focus on and care about. "As long as its not woke, its good." Its funny, they criticize so much as just pandering to feminist power fantasy, but they're really just Bizarro Superman versions of Anita Sarkeesian themselves.

Also, are British accents genetic? We can tell its Picard's kid because he has a British accent somehow? Do some British guys hold their newborns and realize the kid isn't theirs when the baby doesn't cry with a British accent?
 
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Great President of McHell said:
Jellico was a hardass but he wasn't this outright awful like Shaw is. You have to remember as well that Jellico was called in to handle a very dangerous and delicate situation which his conduct was appropriate for, Despite the crews annoyance with him you see him skillfully handle the conflict and you understand why he took that approach with the Enterprise in the first place.

Shaw on the other hand is a unreasonably disrespectful asshole for basically no reason, not just to Picard and Riker but also his relationship with Seven seems extremely antagonistic. Whats the purpose of having her as a first officer is he doesn't trust her at all? If I was an underling on that ship I'd be very worried. Its comparable to how Sisko and Kira interacted with each other in the first season of DS9, except in that case it made sense since it was a Starfleet commander being forced to work with a literal terrorist for political reasons, not exactly the kind of dynamic you want on a regular Starfleet vessel!

Even if they are planning on doing a heel turn and having Shaw become sympathetic to their cause or have some secret reason for being such a cunt, the extremity of how they've portrayed this character in the first episode to set up that potential rug pull is forced and laughable. Jellico is a believable character, Shaw feels like a narrative pawn.
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To be fair though, Picard and Riker are the assholes. Maybe Shaw is just aware these old fucks are wasting his time and up to something.
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
Why the fuck is everything so dark? I dont mean the tone I mean the lighting. They're a military vessel they kind of need to see what they're doing. Did Starfleet cheap out and decided to save some money by using less lights? But they don't use money. These writers are retarded.
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I mean to be fair...
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But then it was dumb when Voyager had everything go dim in an emergency.

Reinhardo-sama said:
But this Captain Shaw? Really? Who does he think he is? He probably dodged frontline assignment during the Dominion War, that cheeky little cunt. Shitting on Picard's wine and farting all over Riker's accomplishments as an Starfleet officer, knowing full well that at least Riker could pull seniority over this twat, is just outright insulting. And then refering to both 7 and Picard as ex-Borg? What is your fucking problem, Ensign Shaw? Listen here, asshole, Picard, Riker and 7 fought the Borg when it was FUCKING HARD fighting them. Get in that Jeffreis tube, back to the other children you bullshit artist. It's like the writers, like the nihilistic midwit assholes they are, don't want any of them to have a great legacy, going even so far to have Picard say as much.
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It's never been fully confirmed that I know of but back in the day there was this semi-canon that the Enterprise E was kept away from the frontlines of the dominion war. (at least, we never saw her retake DS9 or cardassia or any of the other major battles) Now I doubt they'll do it because we can't ever put a stain on the core MCs, but it would be interesting if in fact the reverse was true. Captain Shaw was originally fresh out of the academy (the show did establish that more people were being fastracked through training to keep up with those vat grown Jem'hadar) and shuffled to the front lines of the dominion war right away. In other words reverse it where Shaw was on the front and he resents Picard & Riker for being "safe" from the action.

In a better written show this would be the case and we'd have an interesting and nuance examination of the issue. Maybe even have the two of them voicing frustration about the war.

Some books and other theories were that there were other fronts in the war and that's where the Enterprise was. It's not a bad theory - it is a big galaxy - but sometimes you wonder how Picard & Riker could miss the retaking of DS9. Seems like you'd want the most advanced ship in the fleet there for that.
 
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Flexo said:
Some books and other theories were that there were other fronts in the war and that's where the Enterprise was. It's not a bad theory - it is a big galaxy - but sometimes you wonder how Picard & Riker could miss the retaking of DS9. Seems like you'd want the most advanced ship in the fleet there for that.
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My Theory has always been that Starfleet kept the Ent-E close to the center of fed space during the war in case worse came to worse, that way they could have their biggest beefiest ship protecting earth at all times. Not a bad strategy honestly, especially considering the dominion did carry out targeted strikes on core worlds entirely for the purpose of destroying morale.
 
Great President of McHell said:
My Theory has always been that Starfleet kept the Ent-E close to the center of fed space during the war in case worse came to worse, that way they could have their biggest beefiest ship protecting earth at all times. Not a bad strategy honestly, especially considering the dominion did carry out targeted strikes on core worlds entirely for the purpose of destroying morale.
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I was about to say we saw that wasn't the case but then I realized I was mixing up the Breen attack on earth with the breen attack where the Defiant was blown up. So you're theory could apply.

There is something kind of darkly funny to imagine the Ent-E put in charge of retaking Betazed.
 
I grew up as a long time trek fan, in 2017 I got a CBS all access acount for a week to watch Discovery. The Show really pissed me off, and at the time as now I feel they just want to piss people off, destroy what once was and turn it gay. I watched the first 2 seasons of discovery once, and swore to never again. I am glad to read people in this thread with the disturbingly detailed knowledge of Cannon, and love for a franchise I grew up on..... But I can not allow these Assholes to poisen my mind or take my money with there destruction of cannon and Nihlest SJW Pure Fucking Hubris what ever they say ......

If they showed love to the cannon, if they had love for the fans and prior cast I would have been more forgiving. But after shutting down fan Productions for being better I support old stuff for me TOS - Enterprise after that its Corporate Anti-fan Fiction, or a mirror Q horror universe ......

Granted as bad as Paramount+ / Kurtzman Trek is nothing can be as gay or wrong as a fan Film Production called Star Trek Odyssey, Star Trek Helena, and Star Trek Hidden Frontier .... If you watch this shit be prepared to be Horrified ...... https://www.youtube.com/@HiddenFrontier
 
Flexo said:
But then it was dumb when Voyager had everything go dim in an emergency.
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Turn off the lights, and turn off the viewscreen. If you can't see trouble, trouble can't see you. Just like how if you cover your eyes you turn invisible.

Just kidding, of course. The real reason is obviously they would devert power to the coffee replicator during emergencies. Between shields and as much coffee as Janeway drank when stressed, there just wasn't enough power for full lighting. Go back and watch Year of Hell. Remember the scene where she cuts life support on a few decks with crew still on them and then replicates some coffee?
 
Okay, so the critical drinker reviewed S3 of Picard, and he's watched the stuff we haven't (I presume because he's a 'critic'), he rates the show and said that Shaw is actually a good character and has a real reason to be pissed at Picard/Riker. So let's see; I'll keep and open mind!
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
Okay, so the critical drinker reviewed S3 of Picard, and he's watched the stuff we haven't (I presume because he's a 'critic'), he rates the show and said that Shaw is actually a good character and has a real reason to be pissed at Picard/Riker. So let's see; I'll keep and open mind!
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He mentioned on his live stream that he had seen the first 6 episodes.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
Okay, so the critical drinker reviewed S3 of Picard, and he's watched the stuff we haven't (I presume because he's a 'critic'), he rates the show and said that Shaw is actually a good character and has a real reason to be pissed at Picard/Riker. So let's see; I'll keep and open mind!
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The fact that Critical Drinker said this makes me even more wary that it's worse than I imagined.
 
So one thing I noticed that no-one has called out is that 7/9 said 1/4 Impulse Power to leave space dock. Per Star Trek 6, regulations state thrusters only. Kirk ordered 1/4 Impulse Power, and the Vulcan lieutenant reminds him of the regulations.
 
khaine said:
So one thing I noticed that no-one has called out is that 7/9 said 1/4 Impulse Power to leave space dock. Per Star Trek 6, regulations state thrusters only. Kirk ordered 1/4 Impulse Power, and the Vulcan lieutenant reminds him of the regulations.
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"lol, lmao, one quarter impulse or leave my fucking bridge"
t. Kirk
Loved that scene in VI when almost the entire bridge crew reacted amused at the reminder that using impulse engines in Space Dock is a "oh no, you don't".
 
Man, you guys reminded me of how comfy classic star trek is. Gonna watch some TNG tomorrow. I haven't actually seen everything,, I got introduced to the series with the Star Trek The Star Trek movie, but looking back on it, I get why people were upset by it. Later I watched Wrath of Khan, pretty good flick, and didn't quite get the appeal of Star Trek until much later when I decided to give TNG a try and was like wow, peak TV. Fun stories, good characters, if it's bad, at least it's trying and they aren't committing too hard to what doesn't work.

Later I walked the wife through TOS movies 2-6 (skipped 5, the TV's streaming service didn't have it and I didn't care too much), and I am currently in S5 of TNG, last episode I saw I think was Darmok. Been loving the Klingon episodes, pretty much everything about the Klingon high council is funny, and Gowron is hilarious. Remember when black actors could get roles on sci fi shows that weren't "just be this token guy, he reads real fast, he's good at science and math." Like actually portray a different culture, original characters, no current year shit. Fuck, can you imagine a modern show where the only black guy is a kissless virgin with like negative game who falls in love with his vtuber hologirlfriend?

Mrs. Harambe hates Picard (the character), so I gotta watch it when she's out. She thinks Picard is a pussy for following the rules, giving orders in style, reading books, and being British and bald, and I think because he got abducted by the borg. She liked Kirk's give no fucks energy and goofy masculinity. She also hates Riker's weird housecat energy. Seriously though, Riker is like a cat. The smirk, his weird mannerisms. She only likes Data and Q, and wants Wesley to die. I too think Wesley is annoying, but it's fun to watch TV like a black person and yell SHUT THE FUCK UP at the TV whenever Wesley is talking.

After that's DS9 and I guess Voyager, depending on how burned out I get.
 
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Harambe said:
Remember when black actors could get roles on sci fi shows that weren't "just be this token guy, he reads real fast, he's good at science and math."
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Yep, remember that time. Black characters were treated as everyone else, held to the same standards and that made them much more 'progressive' than anything Wokeywood has been doing the past 10 years. That really is the thing here: when I think about LaForge, Tuvok or Sisko I don't see black men being shoved in high positions thanks to affirmative action. I see competent, intelligent, well trained and educated Starfleet officers that know their shit. This is how well written they are: I don't think about their race, I think happily about what wacky and cool adventures they're involved in next.
 
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