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Cnut said:
I heard someone speculate that the evolution of the changelings is done by fusing them with humanoids through the transporter. See Vadic's hand and Jack's visions. The changelings may have already tried this with Jack, but because Picard had borg nanobots in his jizz, Jack is immune, though with unforseen side effects.

The episode was ok, I liked seeing Ro, which was genuinely surprising. Those were actually good character moments. Too bad she saw the bomb and just gave up all hope as well as stupidly giving up her life.

Since when do starships have "thin walls?" Aren't there dampening fields or whatever?

Why are tricorders useless in the 25th century? Shouldn't they be better than ever? Crusher cutting up the changeling would have shocked McCoy with her violent medievalism--but now we know nu-changelings only turn to goo when properly sliced and diced. Ok then.

Rafi tells Worf it was a bad idea to kill Sneed, so that's good. Vulcan gangster with his Idic bling was funny.
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I mean, young Worf would have shot him with his phaser since it's actually a pretty good weapon at knocking people out. And would only use his melee weapon if he couldn't use his ranged one for whatever reason.
 
Cnut said:
I heard someone speculate that the evolution of the changelings is done by fusing them with humanoids through the transporter. See Vadic's hand and Jack's visions. The changelings may have already tried this with Jack, but because Picard had borg nanobots in his jizz, Jack is immune, though with unforseen side effects.
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I wonder if that's why the effects show the changelings as being a bit more fleshy? I don't know if anyone else noticed that, but I was missing the nice smooth amber colored liquid state that they took in DS9. In this series they look like weird zombified flowing flesh which was kind of off putting. But if they did fuse with humanoids that way it would explain it.
 
It's also possible that the VFX people felt that the DS9 Changeling animations looked really dated and wanted to modernize them. Given the grimdark aesthetic of everything else, going for a gross, fleshy zombie ooze is kinda fitting.

On the other hand, this season has gone out of its way to give in-universe explanations for various production choices. Why does the holodeck still work when the ship diverts all power to main engineering? Why does Jack Crusher have a British accent when he grew up around Bev, who doesn't? Maybe they'll justify these new Changeling effects, too. We'll see.

BTW, weren't the Changelings always able create "genuine" human organs? When they punish Odo by making him a solid, the tricorder detects a heart and lungs inside his body. Maybe he still couldn't bleed... I dunno.
 
Fanatical Phrenologist said:
It's also possible that the VFX people felt that the DS9 Changeling animations looked really dated and wanted to modernize them. Given the grimdark aesthetic of everything else, going for a gross, fleshy zombie ooze is kinda fitting.
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Truly a product of the late-90s/early-2000s
 
Fanatical Phrenologist said:
BTW, weren't the Changelings always able create "genuine" human organs? When they punish Odo by making him a solid, the tricorder detects a heart and lungs inside his body. Maybe he still couldn't bleed... I dunno.
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They could, yes. However, once you disconnect a chunk of them (take a vial of blood. Cut off a limb, whatever) and that would turn gelatinous. It looks like they can now keep a solid form even after death or chunks of them are removed.

I assume Odo didn't bother creating a perfect copy of an organic being by creating internal organs. Why put that effort?
 
Odo being cast out as a solid is baffling. The changelings are already a weird race. They are individuals but hangout together in a big pond of goop, which is kind of like sex and kind of like a hive mind. There are baby changelings--are they born or made? Are the genders real or does Female Changeling just appear that way?

How does the judgment remove something Odo does naturally and biologically? He can't just be fully solid, like made of carved wood or something, can he? Surely his curse was to be a breathing, eating, shitting solid like the rest of us. How that is technically possible, I suppose is beyond human comprehension.
 
Cnut said:
Odo being cast out as a solid is baffling. The changelings are already a weird race. They are individuals but hangout together in a big pond of goop, which is kind of like sex and kind of like a hive mind. There are baby changelings--are they born or made? Are the genders real or does Female Changeling just appear that way?

How does the judgment remove something Odo does naturally and biologically? He can't just be fully solid, like made of carved wood or something, can he? Surely his curse was to be a breathing, eating, shitting solid like the rest of us. How that is technically possible, I suppose is beyond human comprehension.
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I suspect the baby changelings are made from mitosis instead where the Great Link is constantly expanding until cell division demands that an unspecified amount achieve sapience outside of the Link. Gender seems made up to me and gendered forms are more of a preference.

I have no clue how they get energy to reproduce though. Maybe they're solar powered or something since they don't eat.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
I missed that...
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Picard says something along the lines of the holodecks having their own, separate power source so that in times of crisis when morale is low, crew members can find sanctuary in some peaceful setting. It's a silly explanation, and more than anything else, I felt it was the showrunners winking at the audience by finally acknowledging one of the biggest criticisms fans (and Ron Moore) levied at Voyager.
 
Just_Somebody said:
They could, yes. However, once you disconnect a chunk of them (take a vial of blood. Cut off a limb, whatever) and that would turn gelatinous. It looks like they can now keep a solid form even after death or chunks of them are removed.

I assume Odo didn't bother creating a perfect copy of an organic being by creating internal organs. Why put that effort?
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They had to be able to form organs or they would never have been able to infiltrate anybody very effectively. They'd show up strange on any kind of scan and get outed pretty fast. So its just bad writing. That aside, these changelings supposedly keep their last shape after death.....yet revert to a liquid if they haven't regenerated for a certain amount of time. Because logic
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
III is a solid movie, I never understood where the hate for it comes from. V is just Shatner's personal memetic device - which suffers from the absence of ILM, but otherwise it's pretty good.
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It just falls apart at the angry rapey spockpuberty scenes. It was thinly written enough where the most memorable chunk of the movie is a succession of jewish boys screaming on a half-sytorofoam set. And at the end, Spock is clearly wearing repurposed hotel bathrobes that were likely stolen by PAs. I know kitsch is part of the charm but for fuck's sakes I can fucking see it's just terrycloth with tape on it. It's not a low-budget TV show, and nothing in wrath of khan looked as dopey as most of Vulcan. And then that retarded look bled through into TNG, every time we see Vulcans they talk about logic but dress with the most dipshit gypsy sensibilities. I also disagreed with killing Kirk's muscular retard son. Also, this is dumb, but the Klingon villain is Christopher Lloyd right? I couldn't stop seeing the guy underneath the makeup.
 
Cnut said:
Odo being cast out as a solid is baffling. The changelings are already a weird race. They are individuals but hangout together in a big pond of goop, which is kind of like sex and kind of like a hive mind. There are baby changelings--are they born or made? Are the genders real or does Female Changeling just appear that way?

How does the judgment remove something Odo does naturally and biologically? He can't just be fully solid, like made of carved wood or something, can he? Surely his curse was to be a breathing, eating, shitting solid like the rest of us. How that is technically possible, I suppose is beyond human comprehension.
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Eh I could see them "form locking" odo. Garak once did that to him with just some tech cooked up by the romulans. So it makes some logic that the changelings force part of odors body to become an organ and then it can't go back.

Which then explains the later baby changeling "fixing" him. It essentially removed all the DRM holding odo's form in stasis.
 
White Devil said:
Shatner doesn't despise Kirk like Stewart does Picard. He's forever butt blasted that he, Sir Patrick Stewart, a classically trained theatre actor, is going to be remembered most for sci fi schlop.
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The frustrating thing about Steward is, he was on a trajectory very similar to Brian Blessed. They were both hammy character actors, in their own unique ways, both got a couple couple of lucky breaks (both played in I CLAVDIVS, whose alumni have all gone on to great things), but where Blessed embraced his eccentricities and ran with every opportunity he was given, Stewart had a streak of arrogance to him that meant he thought himself in some way above the material he was working with.

It's down to the fathers, I think. Blessed had a great relationship with his dad, whereas Stewart's father was an abusive and violent man. Something of that might reflect in why he kept pushing for Picard's character to be more of an action hero sort; he was still, unconsciously, trying to prove himself superior to his father, trying to prove that he's a real man and not a beaten child. Meanwhile, Brian Blessed doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He just turns up and shouts a lot.

FudgeFish said:
I've been re-watching TNG from the start again, and just got up to The Drumhead - I totally forgot about this episode and just how incredibly nuanced the writing is. It's still a bit cheesey, but that final scene really does stick with you.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CbQvCzWkATA
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The fact that episode is so popular is proof that when people say they don't want politics in their shows, what they really mean is they don't want lectures. TNG addressed political issues for almost its entire run, which means that some of its worst episodes are dismissed as "too political", but then some of its absolute best episodes were also intensely political and didn't suffer the least for it, because they treated the viewers as intelligent and rational beings, instead of speaking down to them like they were retarded children.

That's the problem with NuTrek in general. Even Voyager, for all its faults, tried to treat political topics with nuance and fairness, rather than just browbeating the viewer with the acceptable way to think. Most of the time, anyway.
 
Well spank my ass and call me Charlie. I don't hate this season of Picard so far. After Strange New Worlds was also not horrible, I have to think the producers are taking at least some of the criticism to heart.

I would say this is easily as good as the last two TNG movies so far. I know that's faint praise, but it's far better than the other new series have been.
 
I've always hated the Picard series and my expectations for a third season is very low. Needless to say, I finally gotten it a fair shake and I finally watched the first few episodes, and I cannot believe I'm saying this, from what I've seen it's so far an okay season and is so far the best in the entire Picard series. But then again, people claimed Revenge of the Sith was the best of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, but in reality you can't polish a turd. Sure at least the writers and producers are finally learning to handle criticism and are improving, so I'll give them that.
 
TVBForever said:
I've always hated the Picard series and my expectations for a third season is very low. Needless to say, I finally gotten it a fair shake and I finally watched the first few episodes, and I cannot believe I'm saying this, from what I've seen it's so far an okay season and is so far the best in the entire Picard series. But then again, people claimed Revenge of the Sith was the best of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, but in reality you can't polish a turd. Sure at least the writers and producers are finally learning to handle criticism and are improving, so I'll give them that.
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If you watch ROTS with just the soundtrack and muted dialogue, it's a good movie.
 
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