Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Things are bad enough without bringing Star Wars into it. I haven't seen much Star Wars these days but they seem to be coasting on the seat of their pants.
Basically, thanks to the fact that the Filoniverse SW fans are the most numerous and loud, they're more than happy to accept anything that comes from Filoni and Favreau, although a small, but growing minority who like Andor don't really care about Filoni's work. And of course, the fans of the older SW content couldn't give less of a shit outside of just wanting to see shit blow up.

Best case for Picard, things are working towards a satisfying conclusion. Worst case, it's all just dumb callbacks and we're the dumber for having watched it.
People have the same hope for Mando's last three episodes. The first four just went nowhere, the fifth did something by making the Mandalorians badass and giving them a new home, and we have three episodes left for the season.

It seems Picard is trying in its own sad way to right the ship, while D+ Star Wars aligns its trajectory with a ship already sunk.
It just seems like both are doing the same thing to me, going around in circles with little substance and relying on fanservice to carry things.
 
The big bad actually could just be the Pah Wraiths from DS9, leading to Sisko coming back for a final battle with them at Federation day.
No. Brooks is more than a little mental these days and has been persona non grata in the industry since not long after ds9 ended. Not to mention ds9 pretty much pre-emptively prevented any further involvement of that particular group as they all got sealed back up in the fire caves

Clown College 2nd Year said:
I can't quote WonderWho but Salome Jens who played the female changeling is 87 years old now so I doubt the actress herself will be making an appearance
I doubt she will but if not it won't be for that reason. She already has made appearances in that role several times, as recently as 2018 reprising the role for the DS9 expansion of STO

Reinhardo-sama said:
Isn't this also the finale season of this slop? I could be wrong, but I really think this is it.
Officially yes, but stewart has made several comments in the past few months talking about how he's interested in doing more. Whether that means a season 4 of this or some kind of movie or a spinoff of picard who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the last we see of him as picard. I wouldn't put it past paramount to greenlight a final movie given they originally intended to after nemesis and if season 3 of picard hits the ratings they want it to

Brain Problems said:
What's killing me is all the unearned grandiosity and contrived stakes. The show has done nothing to generate any semblance of tangible existential threat but instead leaned into what every fucking nuTrek series loves to do: fall back on DON'T TRUST STARFLEET BRO, THEY'RE COMPROMISED AND ACTUALLY EVIL BRO mixed with the magic macguffin person who's the key to everything. It sucks, it's cliched, and it's boring.
Yeah pretty much this. Alot has happened without anything actually happening. The plot hasn't actually advanced at all in terms of the situation as a whole and in reality they don't even know what the changelings plans are or whether they are actually tied into the event the way they think. It obviously is but from their perspective the characters don't actually have any real confirmation of that and have made no actual practical effort to do anything about it. They have literal bodies of dead changelings, what should be a recorded message of one of them admitting to having replaced at least one important officer and all the security logs of the titan to back up any claims of what is really going on and they're fucking around in the middle of nowhere hiding from a ship until they decide to do the exact opposite for no logical reason. Its bizarre. There are literally 3 episodes left and nothing substantial to the plot has even happened yet and nobody knows what said plot technically even is yet. I have to ask where the hell they got these writers from because this has to be some of the very worst writing i've ever seen in any medium. I have to ask what they're teaching in writers courses these days if this bs is what gets you a multimillion dollars per episode budget. Prime proof if anyone ever needed it that throwing tons of money at a problem doesn't make something better and if anything makes you prone to doing stupid things to make it worse

Cnut said:
This show only makes sense if they came up with a "shock and awe" endgame, and merely reverse engineered enough episodes to call it a season. We will see in the next three weeks.

Today Alex Kurtzman announced a hip, diverse Starfleet Academy show for teens. Last one out please turn off the lights.
At this point i'm assuming thats whats going on. They're doing what that first revival of the xfiles did and making everything about the last episode and maybe half of the previous one with a setup for the finale and everything else is pointless filler that vaguely puts pushes things toward said finale. So I expect episode 7 to be pointless shit, most of episode 8 to be the same, but ending on some lead in to the buildup to the finale episode that will be episode 9, which spends its entire episode doing nothing but leading up to the finale

and I still don't understand what the point of the academy series is. Its essentially a school full of mostly young adults, which works for a series in some contexts like say boston public kind of thing for high school drama and all the shit that goes on in high schools but the premise falls flat right from the start because its set in the star trek universe....so what exactly can happen? Theres no threat of the week, no exploration, no diplomacy, its a bunch of 18 - 25ish humans and aliens doing class work and at best maybe running simulations of battles or whatever. Are half the episodes going to be weekly field trips to other planets or trainee cruises on old ships? Beyond that there really isn't anything else to do. Nobody is going to tune in to see this weeks episode of the drama queen orion skank breaking up with her andorian boytoy to get BBC from the klingon star parrises squares player, while some sjw type romulans run student BLM style diversity protests because the pakled students get treated like special needs kids cause they're too stupid to attend the academy. Stuff like this is one of the main reasons the creators of DS9 scrapped the original premise of setting the series on a colony and went with the space station concept, and even that had to have some major reworking by season 3 and introduced a ship they could actually do something with
 
That would be a sensible option, seeing as how it would call back to DS9 and get that show's fans interested.
No, thank you. KurtzmanTrek (even Matalas' Picard) should stay as far away as possible from DS9.

and I still don't understand what the point of the academy series is.
I've heard that it was pitched as a Trek version of Hogwarts.
 
I've heard that it was pitched as a Trek version of Hogwarts.
Reading that gave me a horrifying thought about degenerate caitian furries leading the charge against a terf style dean of the academy being a central concept to the series

Maybe a breen student who finally takes off the suit to reveal he's an absolute obese neckbeard and ends up the class incel or some shit
 
Reading that gave me a horrifying thought about degenerate caitian furries leading the charge against a terf style dean of the academy being a central concept to the series

Maybe a breen student who finally takes off the suit to reveal he's an absolute obese neckbeard and ends up the class incel or some shit
The obligatory Bajoran History Month episode, synth lives matter...
 
Reading that gave me a horrifying thought about degenerate caitian furries leading the charge against a terf style dean of the academy being a central concept to the series

Maybe a breen student who finally takes off the suit to reveal he's an absolute obese neckbeard and ends up the class incel or some shit
Funny enough in one of the book series that heavily features the Breen (pretty sure it's the one where Bashir straps himself to a rocket) Worf kills one of the Breen and they are revealed to be dog like creatures so not too far off from furries.
 
Funny enough in one of the book series that heavily features the Breen (pretty sure it's the one where Bashir straps himself to a rocket) Worf kills one of the Breen and they are revealed to be dog like creatures so not too far off from furries.
iirc Star Wolf was sorta like that in the books. In the jp live action they're weird kabuki drag mimes
 
Funny enough in one of the book series that heavily features the Breen (pretty sure it's the one where Bashir straps himself to a rocket) Worf kills one of the Breen and they are revealed to be dog like creatures so not too far off from furries.
Wait a minute.....

So a species who call themselves thots turned out to be a hairy, degenerate dog when somebody got a good look under their disguise?

Damn, DS9 really nailed that prediction for the future
 
No. Brooks is more than a little mental these days and has been persona non grata in the industry since not long after ds9 ended. Not to mention ds9 pretty much pre-emptively prevented any further involvement of that particular group as they all got sealed back up in the fire caves
Maybe no Brooks then, but the Red eyes on Jack, is similar to Dukat's when he's posessed by a Pah-Wraith. Things escape...
 
Did the think they were going to actually capture and interrogate them? How did any of them get as far as they did making stupid plans like this?
Last episode was written by Jane Maggs, who wrote 3 episodes for the captivating Picard S2, including the banger episode "Monsters" which is the one where nuGuinan burps demons and iirc Picard's Jewish mother hangs herself. This felt mostly like a filler/containment episode for the problem writer and shitty director they couldn't get rid of. The characters literally state "we're waiting on Worf and Raffi to return".
 
Last episode was written by Jane Maggs, who wrote 3 episodes for the captivating Picard S2, including the banger episode "Monsters" which is the one where nuGuinan burps demons and iirc Picard's Jewish mother hangs herself. This felt mostly like a filler/containment episode for the problem writer and shitty director they couldn't get rid of. The characters literally state "we're waiting on Worf and Raffi to return".
The Worf and Rafi who are hiding on the Vulcan 'warship' ready to capture the Shrike
 
The Worf and Rafi who are hiding on the Vulcan 'warship' ready to capture the Shrike
As good as any twist, I guess. Still, renders a lot of the dialogue retarded, especially Geordi's, (but that's normal) and it still leaves the episode largely a waste of time. Vadic's tragic backstory and the will they / wont they of Jack and Ensign LaForge isn't that important, imo
 
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The problem with that is they made it quite clear that there was no way to do that pretty concretely:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=M6W42QIHnRw
I think the Picard writers have made it pretty clear by now they didn't watch ds9 and/or don't give a shit about staying consistent with it. Why else would they canonize Discoverys version of section 31? Not to mention the other blatant retcons.
 
That, and the Pah-Wraiths were the worst part of DS9 anyways. Suddenly there's Satan worshippers because the Wormhole Aliens are also prone to the good and evil paradigm.
 
This show only makes sense if they came up with a "shock and awe" endgame, and merely reverse engineered enough episodes to call it a season. We will see in the next three weeks.

Today Alex Kurtzman announced a hip, diverse Starfleet Academy show for teens. Last one out please turn off the lights.
It applies to Star Trek 09 too. Literally every joke Stargate made in the 200th episode is unironically being done by modern executives.

 
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