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Wasn't there a refit Galaxy available for the Dominion War? I seem to remember one in one of the Armada or Starfleet Command games.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Even as a peacetime vessel, Galaxies like the Enterprise were more than capable of standing up to almost anybody within the Beta and Alpha Quadrants. Wasn't until first contact with the Borg convinced Starfleet they needed something more war minded. Even if Picard himself didn't take the Borg seriously due to coping, seething and dilating over Q making him beg for Q's help.

The Odyssey crew had already done that before completely losing shields and were forced to tank hits to hull.
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It still doesn't change the fact that there aren't that many of them to begin with combined with a very overstretched navy patrolling vast areas of space on its own. Resources and skilled labor are still part of the Federation's economy; that's the reason why the Bendii wanted to join the Federation in the first place. The Galaxy was still an ambitious testbed of technology that had to be held back from fulfilling its original mission parameters due to its difficulty in construction. It's a white elephant.
White Devil said:
Wasn't there a refit Galaxy available for the Dominion War? I seem to remember one in one of the Armada or Starfleet Command games.
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That's what I mean when I refer to a wartime Galaxy-class. At that point, it was fulfilling its potential as a heavyweight since its a ship that's mostly compatible with 2370s technology. It wasn't doing that in peacetime.
 
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Ike Aim said:
>Finally the Big-D on the big screen!
>An entire series of 5-6 TNG films constantly in production
>They'll have the budget to build new sets
>and utilize decent CGI to show us places we could never see on TV but always wanted to
>Like Cetacean Ops, and all those lounges from the official blueprints, and the glorious main shuttle bay and...

Well... Shit.

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And that happened as soon as Troy took the helm.

Women and driving, amirite?
 
Ike Aim said:
>Finally the Big-D on the big screen!
>An entire series of 5-6 TNG films constantly in production
>They'll have the budget to build new sets
>and utilize decent CGI to show us places we could never see on TV but always wanted to
>Like Cetacean Ops, and all those lounges from the official blueprints, and the glorious main shuttle bay and...

Well... Shit.

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Yea that's another thing that pissed me off about Generations.

The original Enterprise took a much harder pounding in Wraith of Khan and didn't explode. The Reliant cut through the Enterprise's engineering hull like butter leaving a gash dam near from the deflector dish to the nacelle pylon. The D takes a few shots from an old ass Klingon ship and explodes. What the fuck? Did Starfleet outsource starship production to Space China?
 
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feral cat #6385 said:
houThe D takes a few shots from an old ass Klingon ship and explode. What the fuck? Did Starfleet outsource starship production to Space China?
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Shouldn't the Klingon Bird of Prey be absolutely tiny compared to the Galaxy Class D? It was smaller than the original Enterprise in Search For Spock.
 
feral cat #6385 said:
Yea that's another thing that pissed me off about Generations.

The original Enterprise took a much harder pounding in Wraith of Khan and didn't explode. The Reliant cut through the Enterprise's engineering hull like butter leaving a gash dam near from the deflector dish to the nacelle pylon. The D takes a few shots from an old ass Klingon ship and explode. What the fuck? Did Starfleet outsource starship production to Space China?
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Yeah from Lursa and Bator of all villains. And they were using a trick basically recycled from that episode where Geordi got MKULTRA'd by the Romulans. In the 24th century humanity has evolved beyond the need for opsec, which is unnecessary in a post-scarcity society where nothing is ever gone forever. They should just frag each other for the lulz.
 
Great big Spoiler

RIP Elizabeth Shaw

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Not sure how I felt about that episode.

Gay stuff
Ufff the big bad was leaked before after all. At frontier day complete with space fireworks which make firework sounds, the borg, through Jack assimilate anyone under the age of 25 as their DNA was rewritten to be borged or something. And of course all the ships connected with space internet are assimilated.
After 9 episodes the big bad, being the borg is gay, cheap and dull. The borg...again
Shaw gets merked

The good-ish
Jeorgi le Fridge was working on restoring the Enterprise D in his garage, so nice to see the old (very old) crew back on the bridge of this 'old analog ship' which isn't connected to space internet. Right in the memberberries. Also interdasting that some dude in his space garage can restore a military ship and make it functional. Can't remember what happened to Raffi, but she wasn't on the bridge of the D. I hope she's dead.

Oh and there was 10 seconds of the Ent F.
 
Really good episode. I wish Matalas was the head of the Star Trek brand, the guy clearly knows what to do with these characters.
I know, some people might say that it was a memberberry but damn, seeing the old D was really nice. Also I noticed Nolan North voicing the Captain of the Excelsior.


The NX-01 Refit in the background:
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Also I think I saw the McQuarrie-designed Enterprise among the fleet.
 
Interesting to see the D bridge without the extra shit added for Generations, filmed in the same aspect ratio that allegedly wouldn't work with the original set. I know they got Mike Okuda back for the Titan but damn he must have worked his butt off redoing all the Enterprise bridge stuff (and they even got the round Borg alcove screens just right too.) But did the view screen turn into a window? Little things like that make me irrationally hateful. I hope there's at least one shot next episode of a view screen chat that does the simulated 3d effect like on TNG. Speaking of which, the episode's end was a small missed opportunity to show the famous rubber band effect. Hopefully when the Enterprise comes out of warp, it decelerates like normal and doesn't do that modern quick-stop thing.

Plot wise meh. It was because of Picard's Borg sperm after all which is why Jack wasn't born during season two. I don't think Changelings would ever work with Borg, but suppose it's just the few that got captured by Starfleet or whatever. Ro and Vadic's transporterphobia is shown to have merit. RIP Shaw, at least now no one will bother Todd Stashwick about a Shaw show any more. Why aren't all the historic ships from the museum on display for Frontier Day? You'd think that would be a wiser choice than having all your prime new vessels congregated at one planet. I guess that's what happens when Borg interns plan your festivities.

Jack getting assimilated is going to turn out exactly like what happened with Data and Lore. Oops, the Borg Queen didn't count on the power of love. Easy win.
 
Cnut said:
Why aren't all the historic ships from the museum on display for Frontier Day? You'd think that would be a wiser choice than having all your prime new vessels congregated at one planet. I guess that's what happens when Borg interns plan your festivities.
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The ships in LaForge's museum are too old, they don't have the new computer system.
 
Miller said:
The ships in LaForge's museum are too old, they don't have the new computer system.
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Which is why it would be a great idea to steal one, so they couldn't be tracked by the networking bullshit. Again, such a missed opportunity because, I assume, of cost issues and one that makes the store worse overall.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
She didn't have a name. Can I have my virgin now please?
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The virgin was you all along!

Cnut said:
Well yes, to put it succinctly. 🖖

There is a big difference between the two main models for the Enterprise-- a six-foot model (seen in the opening credits and season one) which has a stretchy appearance, and a refined four-foot model from season two (with the ten forward windows) which is superb and nails the look. Sometimes the six-foot model sneaks into later seasons. I can't remember which was used for Generations except how it was sadly repainted gray.

Cf. https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/galaxy.htm

That site is pretty great, if nunya visited.
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IIRC, the 6 ft model was the one that was able to saucer separate, the 4ft was not. Because in BTS stuff they talked about Best of Both Worlds being a bit of a pain because they had to haul the old model out to do the saucer separation.

Hence I would also assume in Generations since it separated they were using the 6 ft model.
 
WonderWino said:
No it doesn't. If anything it does the opposite. The creator of that video grasped at a ton of straws in that video and saw what he wanted to see. It really doesn't fit at all with what we've seen. It also ignores the whole red herring thing that they've done a shit ton of right from the first episode of season 1, ironically largely involving borg related red herrings
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Grin was right , again

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Cnut said:
Interesting to see the D bridge without the extra shit added for Generations, filmed in the same aspect ratio that allegedly wouldn't work with the original set.
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The set was fine in the 80s, the only issue is that they've never thought that 20+ years later the widescreen 16:9 ratio would be the new standard. If I'm not mistaken, even the effects were made for a 4:3 ratio.
 
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