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So I've been busy with work but I finally got to Move Along Home on DS9.

I'll say I could never be a Starfleet officer because I would have vaporized the Wadi ship after it cleared the station after the shit they pulled.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
So I've been busy with work but I finally got to Move Along Home on DS9.

I'll say I could never be a Starfleet officer because I would have vaporized the Wadi ship after it cleared the station after the shit they pulled.
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That episode is a decades old meme and widely considered one of the worst episodes in all of Star Trek — but I honestly thought it wasn’t that bad. Granted it’s very “meh” and felt like a below-average TNG episode, but it wasn’t infuriating to watch (like quite a bit of Trek episodes are).

Kind of related, but this leads to a kinda funny phenomenon. When you look up lists of “worst Trek episodes”, you can see how popular culture has shifted from the late-90s to current year+n just on how each webpage is written depending on the year.
 
naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
That episode is a decades old meme and widely considered one of the worst episodes in all of Star Trek — but I honestly thought it wasn’t that bad. Granted it’s very “meh” and felt like a below-average TNG episode, but it wasn’t infuriating to watch (like quite a bit of Trek episodes are).

Kind of related, but this leads to a kinda funny phenomenon. When you look up lists of “worst Trek episodes”, you can see how popular culture has shifted from the late-90s to current year+n just on how each webpage is written depending on the year.
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I think the real problem is that its the outlier in an otherwise incredible show. If it was an actual TNG episode it would really only be labeled as a very sub par TNG episode and quickly forgotten, because despite what TNG fans will tell you there were A LOT of pretty meh to bad TNG episodes,
 
It's like when someone you love dear is very, very sick and finally dies and you're happy their pain is over, except here, the sickness made the person a totally asshole who caused you to feel physical pain and now you're glad you got rid of the motherfucker.

RIP, Discovery, and by P I mean pee.
 
Chilson said:
I think the real problem is that its the outlier in an otherwise incredible show.
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To be fair, there were plenty of crappy episodes in DS9. Any of the ones in which O'Brien's whore wife was put center stage qualify. (Let the man have his animal-flesh stew for dinner, you vegan freak. It all comes out of the same replicator anyway.)
 
obsdj said:
To be fair, there were plenty of crappy episodes in DS9. Any of the ones in which O'Brien's whore wife was put center stage qualify. (Let the man have his animal-flesh stew for dinner, you vegan freak. It all comes out of the same replicator anyway.)
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Eh. Those were merely okay to forgettable in my book. Keiko's only real sin is being understandably frustrated with having to live in a backwater with nothing for her to do most of the time due to her husband taking the job she clearly didn't want him to take. Something that gets cleared up later on when she starts actually doing Botany research trips to Bajor. Its the Skylar white problem, where the spouses of fan favorite characters are really shit on by the fans for reacting in a realistic manner to pretty sub-par situations.

Nothing was even close to as aggressively bad as Move along home in the rest of DS9 though. Whereas there are a handful of TNG episodes that are arguably worse than it and quite a few more that were close to how bad it was.
 
Chilson said:
because despite what TNG fans will tell you there were A LOT of pretty meh to bad TNG episodes,
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Even as an unabashed TNG fanboy I have to admit that. Still, there were only a couple shockingly bad episodes.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
So I've been busy with work but I finally got to Move Along Home on DS9.

I'll say I could never be a Starfleet officer because I would have vaporized the Wadi ship after it cleared the station after the shit they pulled.
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The worthwhile part of the episode is that you can audibly hear Nana Visitor die inside as she's doing the rhyme
 
Flexo said:
Ever since someone on here (sorry, I forgot who) pointed out that they had hired trek novelists and that discovery's arcs were straight out of some of the books, I just make it a game now of "which book is this one stealing from."

So... anybody know which one this is?
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Funny thing is it wasn't just discovery that did that. Picard season 3 definitely did it, to a degree i'm surprised there weren't legal issues over. The most obvious ripoffs being the whole grabbing kirks body off of the planet he was buried on with an implied project intended to revive him and calling picards son as a borg vox (this was literally the name of the romulan version of locutus in one of shatners novels. Given how pissy shatner can be about things i'm surprised he allowed that. Either that or they paid him off to authorize it and nobody has said anything about it

That said i'm a bit surprised they haven't licensed some of the novels to make film versions. Some of them would make decent one off movies, like that abyss ds9 novel
 
obsdj said:
To be fair, there were plenty of crappy episodes in DS9. Any of the ones in which O'Brien's whore wife was put center stage qualify. (Let the man have his animal-flesh stew for dinner, you vegan freak. It all comes out of the same replicator anyway.)
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I never liked the episodes in TNG with Keiko either. She always finds some way to nag him about his own culture, while he's been embracing hers. She seemed rather dismissive of him in "The Wounded". Usually any DS9 episode that features her heavily in it, I tend to ignore.
 
Not trying to spoil for our fren @Cpl. Long Dong Silver but the later Vic Fontaine DS9 episodes are pretty bad. I’m not even bringing up the so-called “political” episodes that aged like milk yet fans consider the greatest Trek episodes of all time.

DS9 had way more stinkers than a show considered one of the best scifis ever put on television should have. But then again, as I watched the whole series I got a kind of imposter syndrome feeling that “maybe I’m not a REAL fan?” Stuff the old DS9 diehards love often come across as dumb to me as an old TNG fan (Vic Fontaine, that episode with Jake becoming an old failed writer after Sisko vanished in a time anomaly, the Trill species being terribly developed, and Avery’s 20th/21st century “black man abuse episodes”*). DS9 having some of the best Trek episodes of all-time does save it though (Dominion War stuff is spectacular).

*That one terrible episode die-hard fans consider the best episode is the only time in Trek a character says “nigger” so that may be worth something tbh.
 
My face when no trad Bajoran wife.

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Someone should write a Star Trek/Dateline episode parody centered around O'Brien calling Odo to report his wife mysteriously getting vented from an airlock.

Kira can be his defense attorney, Bashir the prosecutor and Sisko as the judge.

Cast Chris Morrison as Luther Stone as Chris Morrison.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Someone should write a Star Trek/Dateline episode parody centered around O'Brien calling Odo to report his wife mysteriously getting vented from an airlock.

Kira can be his defense attorney, Bashir the prosecutor and Sisko as the judge.

Cast Chris Morrison as Luther Stone as Chris Morrison.
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That would be pretty great with ai
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Someone should write a Star Trek/Dateline episode parody centered around O'Brien calling Odo to report his wife mysteriously getting vented from an airlock.

Kira can be his defense attorney, Bashir the prosecutor and Sisko as the judge.

Cast Chris Morrison as Luther Stone as Chris Morrison.
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And at the climax, Q shows up and restores Keiko to life because "O'Brien Must Suffer."
 
naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
Not trying to spoil for our fren @Cpl. Long Dong Silver but the later Vic Fontaine DS9 episodes are pretty bad. I’m not even bringing up the so-called “political” episodes that aged like milk yet fans consider the greatest Trek episodes of all time.

DS9 had way more stinkers than a show considered one of the best scifis ever put on television should have. But then again, as I watched the whole series I got a kind of imposter syndrome feeling that “maybe I’m not a REAL fan?” Stuff the old DS9 diehards love often come across as dumb to me as an old TNG fan (Vic Fontaine, that episode with Jake becoming an old failed writer after Sisko vanished in a time anomaly, the Trill species being terribly developed, and Avery’s 20th/21st century “black man abuse episodes”*). DS9 having some of the best Trek episodes of all-time does save it though (Dominion War stuff is spectacular).

*That one terrible episode die-hard fans consider the best episode is the only time in Trek a character says “nigger” so that may be worth something tbh.
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I like the Vic stuff, but I also like that sort of music.
Local jazz station has a few songs by the actor in rotation, jock will occasionally mention how he was Vic on DS9
 
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