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teriyakiburns said:
The "it's just remaking X" complaints always ring a bit hollow
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you can even go further and do a smug intellectual impression (depending who you're taking to) and explain almost everything goes back to the same 6-7 story beats.
for extra smugness you can even direct them to a vonnegut lecture if they don't believe you.

in the end it doesn't really matter, it's just a vehicle to make a point or simple entertainment, like a hammer is a sophisticated stone to hit something with.

Molly White's Breast Milk said:
There's a reason why this Academy shit has been talked about since the 90s but never made: it's a shit idea!
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it's only a shit idea if you're trying to make a star trek series, which they don't.

if you're lucky you'll get felicity in a star fleet veneer, but this is current year hollywood so most likely something like velma.
 
Molly White's Breast Milk said:
I predict that Nerdrotic's and Disparu's videos about this trash will have more views than the actual shows. There's a reason why this Academy shit has been talked about since the 90s but never made: it's a shit idea! For the younger people here they started working on Star Fleet: Academy in the late 90s and it was supposed to star George Takei. There were rumors about it for years but now Kikeman gets to make it and every episode will make Shades of Grey look like Inner Light.
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Actually it was originally the plan for star trek 6 as there was a real question if they would even have the budget for the returning actors. So there was a draft made of a movie showcasing the crew's "academy years" so they could get away with recasting two-thirds of the film with younger, cheaper stars.
 
obsdj said:
"Wagon Train in Space" was actually how Roddenberry pitched the show, though.
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It was a joke based on the fact that he not only pitched it that way but a lot of actors from Western shows also played on Star Trek, notably De Forrest Kelley (who appeared in no less than three separate roles as part of the shootout at the O.K. Corral as well as numerous Western shows like Gunsmoke, Rawhide and Laredo), and Leonard Nimoy, who was also on Rawhide and Bonanza (and like Kelley many other Westerns).
 
AnOminous said:
It was a joke based on the fact that he not only pitched it that way but a lot of actors from Western shows also played on Star Trek, notably De Forrest Kelley (who appeared in no less than three separate roles as part of the shootout at the O.K. Corral as well as numerous Western shows like Gunsmoke, Rawhide and Laredo), and Leonard Nimoy, who was also on Rawhide and Bonanza (and like Kelley many other Westerns).
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Heck even Ricardo Montalban played an injun on Bonanza (IIRC) a time or two.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
That's unfortunately true of most Trek actors. The only one I can think of offhand who is half way decent politically is Dwight Schultz.
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I thought I remembered hearing that they black-balled Icheb over something political, but google shows that he's got TDS just as bad as any of them and might even be slightly dumber.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
I thought I remembered hearing that they black-balled Icheb over something political, but google shows that he's got TDS just as bad as any of them and might even be slightly dumber.
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Icheb said that the STD fag was lying about Kevin Spacey trying to molest him as a kid. So Picard killed his character.

And the courts decided that indeed the STD fag was lying.
 
Holy Shit the first episode of DS9 Season 2 is wild. Sisko just waging proxy war on Cardassian with Kira as the muscle. This results in some weirdo who jerked off shot a Cardassian bathing .
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Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Did the person who wrote Melora hate the disabled?
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I found that episode to be one of those 'topical social issue' episodes that every TV show puts out once in a while. Sort of like TNG's "Symbiosis" or "Far Beyond the Stars." Needless to say, it sucked like the rest of them.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Did the person who wrote Melora hate the disabled? Why is Ensign Pelzar such a raging bitch?

I hope her next commander sent her to the front lines of the Dominion War.
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According to Memory Alpha, the episode's writer, Evan Somers, was himself disabled, which makes things even more ridiculous.
When Somers was invited back to pitch stories in the second season, he was successful in reviving the concept by convincing the producers that he could provide insight into the character, as he himself used a wheelchair; "I didn't think I should let anyone else write this. I could bring some empathy to the character because I am disabled."
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On one hand, good on him for writing her as a difficult, disagreeable person instead of a Mary Sue whose ass is kissed by the entire crew. On the other, I think this dude might have a few loose screws because he said stuff like this:
The producers had always thought the wheelchair officer would be a man, but I always thought of her as a woman. 'Zero-gravity sex with Bashir' was a prime element to the story in my mind.
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Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Did the person who wrote Melora hate the disabled? Why is Ensign Pelzar such a raging bitch?

I hope her next commander sent her to the front lines of the Dominion War.
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Believe it or not she was supposed to be a part of the main cast. Thankfully, someone stepped in and told them how much that would cost to do the zero gravity scenes and they just made her a one off.
 
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