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40 Year Old Boomer said:
This is the show all the copium huffing faggots in this thread keep defending.
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Yes, because it's good. It's not DS9's fault that it also attracts utter retards and sexual deviants. You'd find similiar faggots in SG1 or Babylon 5 threads. Entertainment is tiresome. Modern audiences and the "media literacy"-crowd need to be gassed. We gonna need a lot of Auschwitzes for that.
 
The more I watch DS9, the more I think Robert Hewitt Wolfe is the reason why it's good and not Behr. Behr is responsible for the Jewishness of the show.
 
DS9 is good, but it really shows its ass when it has to engage with some of the more overt issues that it itself creates and perpetuates. Like the Marquis; who were unironically, 100% in the right, even though the show wants you to think otherwise. The Federation abandoned its own citizens to kowtow to a hostile alien regime, that has at every point tried needling them, attacking them, fucking with them, and violating agreements with them. The Federation just shrugs and goes 'lol leave your home retards, what's the issue?'.

No, fuck you, it's their home, their home that you never helped with, never had any claim to, and sold out from under them to space Imperial Japan. Fuck right off with trying to pretend that the Marquis are anything other than absolutely in the right.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
DS9 is good, but it really shows its ass when it has to engage with some of the more overt issues that it itself creates and perpetuates. Like the Marquis; who were unironically, 100% in the right, even though the show wants you to think otherwise. The Federation abandoned its own citizens to kowtow to a hostile alien regime, that has at every point tried needling them, attacking them, fucking with them, and violating agreements with them. The Federation just shrugs and goes 'lol leave your home retards, what's the issue?'.

No, fuck you, it's their home, their home that you never helped with, never had any claim to, and sold out from under them to space Imperial Japan. Fuck right off with trying to pretend that the Marquis are anything other than absolutely in the right.
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Space Germans, but yes. Cal Hudson did nothing wrong.
 
Speaking of lower decks...

I did not expect this.

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On the one hand, I love me some Trek games, I really don't mind redskins either.

On the other hand, this is a FIGHTING game. This is a fortnight soup style IP game where part of the fun is having Spike from Cowboy Beepbop fight Deku from my hero academia or even fucking Godzilla himself. (No I'm not making that up.)

And the lower Deckers are supposed to go up against these guys? The critical role characters at least have fighting in their day jobs.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
They're serving on a ship captained by the transporter clone of Boimler from the original universe, who is supposedly on assignment from Section 31 to figure out the deal with alternate universe rifts that have been in the rest of this season so far. I say supposedly, because his entire crew are all stated to be from different universes. The story as presented seems to be saying that section 31 sent him out to run an empty ship all by himself, and he just so happened to collect an entire multiversal crew while hopping through the multiverse after a mystery ship making the rips.
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Not to justify this or anything, but there could be an interesting Trek idea in a cross-universe Federation with even a cross-universe Section 31.

I don't trust any of these idiots to pull it off. But there could be some potential there.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
No, fuck you, it's their home, their home that you never helped with, never had any claim to, and sold out from under them to space Imperial Japan. Fuck right off with trying to pretend that the Marquis are anything other than absolutely in the right.
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If anything, DS9 predicted what clownworld governments would do: exactly this shit. And then they wonder about domestic terrorism like the retards they indeed are. Hudson and Eddington did nothing wrong.
 
Flexo said:
Not to justify this or anything, but there could be an interesting Trek idea in a cross-universe Federation with even a cross-universe Section 31.

I don't trust any of these idiots to pull it off. But there could be some potential there.
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yeah that sounds like a good setup to a video game or something so you can play fast and loose with canon and not have to worry
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
Yes, because it's good. It's not DS9's fault that it also attracts utter retards and sexual deviants. You'd find similiar faggots in SG1 or Babylon 5 threads. Entertainment is tiresome. Modern audiences and the "media literacy"-crowd need to be gassed. We gonna need a lot of Auschwitzes for that.
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I was talking about Lower Dreck.
 
Chandelier said:
Meanwhile, the shipper fandom adores it because Kirk/Spock finally reunited in"The Year of Yaoi" and canonized a 57 year old ship.
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Either way, I still don't count post-JJ ST as "canon" in "headcanon" anyway. To me, ST ended at the latest after ENT or back in 2005.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Either way, I still don't count post-JJ ST as "canon" in "headcanon" anyway. To me, ST ended at the latest after ENT or back in 2005.
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This was about the fan film recently, that one that covers the original series. It ends with Kirk and Spock holding hands and looking off into the sunset. It's considered the original slash ship of fandom, and many were overjoyed to see it.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
DS9 is good, but it really shows its ass when it has to engage with some of the more overt issues that it itself creates and perpetuates. Like the Marquis; who were unironically, 100% in the right, even though the show wants you to think otherwise. The Federation abandoned its own citizens to kowtow to a hostile alien regime, that has at every point tried needling them, attacking them, fucking with them, and violating agreements with them. The Federation just shrugs and goes 'lol leave your home retards, what's the issue?'.

No, fuck you, it's their home, their home that you never helped with, never had any claim to, and sold out from under them to space Imperial Japan. Fuck right off with trying to pretend that the Marquis are anything other than absolutely in the right.
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I am pretty sure that's not a flaw, but the entire point. The writing does point out how ridiculous the Federation is when dealing with the Marquis/Cardassians multiple times, its just written from Sisko's pro-federation perspective.

And Sisko doesn't really have that much of an issue with the Marquis from an ideological standpoint from when I watch the show. He might even secretly sympathize with them personally. However, as the ranking officer he has to be the face of the federation in that sector of space and support their official, completely ridiculous, stance on the Marquis/Cardassian problem even if he might not agree with it. Which is keep to the treaty the Cardassians are not honoring and hunt down the Marquis who are committing terrorist acts, mostly, in retaliation for said breeches in the treaty.

He seems more motivated by personal betrayal at the hands of his old friend Hudson and subordinate Eddington, with an added dash of "loyalty and duty" for the Federation as a whole. He doesn't seem to ever argue about the ideological or moral merits of the Marquis beyond stealing Federation resources to support it.
 
Chilson said:
He seems more motivated by personal betrayal at the hands of his old friend Hudson and subordinate Eddington, with an added dash of "loyalty and duty" for the Federation as a whole. He doesn't seem to ever argue about the ideological or moral merits of the Marquis beyond stealing Federation resources to support it.
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I mean... he outright explained his problem.
 
Chilson said:
He seems more motivated by personal betrayal at the hands of his old friend Hudson and subordinate Eddington, with an added dash of "loyalty and duty" for the Federation as a whole. He doesn't seem to ever argue about the ideological or moral merits of the Marquis beyond stealing Federation resources to support it.
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He gives a whole speech about how they should give up, that their cause is pointless, and suicidal, and can't win, and how they should stop. Sisko displays absolute contempt for the idea of even trying to fight on and hold their homes away from the Cardies. This is while the Federation is literally supplying the Cardassians. His issue with Eddington is hurt pride. The narrative as a whole treats the Marquis as this morally grey, but overall negative thing; staffed by traitors, terrorist and thieves. It tip toes around the issue of it all, and sort of pays lip service to the idea that the Federation royally fucked up; but never really explores it.

He says as much when talking with Kira; and the show backs him up. Kira says that the Cardassians are brutal, cruel, uncompromising and murderous; Sisko literally says "They chose to live on the Cardassians side." Then rants some more about how the issue is that everyone in the Federation has it too good to realise how tough life is on a colony.

No one actually presents the basic argument of 'No, fuck off, this is our home.' It's always just 'oh the Federation goofed, but they had the best of intentions, if only the Maquis would just come home and stop being unreasonable, so sad.' I get why, it's Star Trek, not Starship Troopers. But is kind of frustrating that they'll go all in on the Federation being willing to do messed up stuff with the Changeling virus, but stop short of just going 'Yeah the Federation knows the colonists are getting fucked, but it's more politically expedient to just make them leave.'

EDIT: Oh yeah and then he gasses a whole fucking colony of Maquis. While grandstanding about how the Maquis attacked the federation vessels that are literally supplying the Cardassian war machine; therefore he doesn't care about displacement. The Federation could have at any time steamrolled the Cardassians, but they're lead by faggots.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Force fields that seem to do naught against "slugthrower" ammo. Cybermen have been shown to be bulletproof.
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Star Trek Online had buffed one of the mirror universe's borg with heavy body armor rendering them almost completely bulletproof. In addition to their adaptation ability to energy weapons. Another set of mirror universe borg are the Von Neumann gray goo nanomachine type.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
EDIT: Oh yeah and then he gasses a whole fucking colony of Maquis. While grandstanding about how the Maquis attacked the federation vessels that are literally supplying the Cardassian war machine; therefore he doesn't care about displacement. The Federation could have at any time steamrolled the Cardassians, but they're lead by faggots.
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The Federation is a big ass interstellar organization of a whole bunch of places and the maquis are complete niggers in their eyes for endangering a hard won peace.
It's easy to sympathize with their plight, muh homes all that, but there's a bigger picture beyond the badlands and that's what High Command cares about not some colonial backwaters.
DS9 best trek but it really fell short portraying the Federation's actual animus, Cardies have Dukat/Klingons get gowron/even the Dominion get a mantled representative in the female changeling, what does the Federation get? Captain Sicko? He's a commander of some border post, the only higher ups we ever see are asshole admirals.
 
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Mound Dweller said:
the only higher ups we ever see are asshole admirals.
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I mean...it is Trek. If one thing about the Federation has remained consistent, it's that their admirals seem universally batshit insane; or infested with alien parasites, or are themselves spies, or are running cover black ops divisions, or are time displaced Hitler clones.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
I mean...it is Trek. If one thing about the Federation has remained consistent, it's that their admirals seem universally batshit insane; or infested with alien parasites, or are themselves spies, or are running cover black ops divisions, or are time displaced Hitler clones.
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Just once I would have liked to see a reasonable authority figure from the USP side who didn't turn out to be a space worm infestee/colony droop genocider/drumhead court enthusiast/paramilitary supremacist/changeling infiltrator all along.
Best we get is the highly personable but ultimately soft and weak Jaresh-Inyo, strong federalism never ever.
 
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